4x4Jesus
Caught the Bug
What forum is everyone looking at? I thought there would be a link
-Nicco
JK Forum and its against the rules to post up a link to another forum
Free Parts Whores
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JK Forum and its against the rules to post up a link to another forum
Dune Crawler
New member
Can posting pictures of it be okay? I don't care to look through jk-forum, but I'm definitely interested to see what everyone's talking about haha call me lazy
-Nicco
4x4Jesus
Caught the Bug
Can posting pictures of it be okay? I don't care to look through jk-forum, but I'm definitely interested to see what everyone's talking about haha call me lazy
-Nicco
It would be a lot to post up in pictures. Basically the two head moderators are building there jeeps for sema and have gotten things like suspension kits,bumpers, hoods and fenders, supercharger,dual battery kits, etc, etc. all for free. These were the same people who give Eddie crap and say he's a scam for taking free parts
cozdude
Guy with a Red 2-Door
you can post up the link to the thread if you like. its people trying to pimp other forums thats we have a problem with
4x4Jesus
Caught the Bug
Nah! Their crap can stay over there and if someone really wants they can look it up. This thread isn't about their builds it's about how hypocritical they are for taking free parts after giving Eddie so much crap about it.
Honestly, I'm happy for anyone out there who can get "free" parts. I'm sure it's just a matter of perspective but for me, I've never known anything to be "free".
If anything, I think it would be more honest to say that vendors PAY me to run their parts and some get butthurt when I chose not to. For example, I know there are plenty of haters out there who will say that the only reason why I "bash" TeraFlex is because they won't give me free parts. And to that, I thought the following conversation that I had with them back in October 2011 might shed a little light on how things work in the real world. This took place soon after we got Rubicat. Back then, people were just starting to realizing that there was a problem with the front drive shaft making contact with the exhaust cross over on 2012 JK's when too much droop was present. At the time, TeraFlex and I were still on speaking terms and I was talking to Joe about this as well as other problems he was having with his Jeep when the subject of new exhaust spacers they had came up. This is where we started talking about it by PM...
His response...
Still going on about his Jeep having issues...
He responds back...
I say...
He said...
I respond with...
He follows up with...
Unfortunately, I can only summarize our call but, it went something to the tune of them wanting us to run their suspension kit on Rubicat. They are after all, first and foremost a suspension company and didn't like the idea of us running their spacers if we weren't going to run one of their suspension system as well. To that, I asked if they had anything new? He said no. I told him that I appreciated the offer but we had already installed and tested out several of their kits and that we really wanted to run something new (specifically, we had our eye on the new EVO Bolt-On Coil Over kit at the time - something we PAID for). Unhappy with this, he said that he didn't want to send the exhaust spacer and I just laughed, said no problem and told him that Dynomax was coming out with a solution as well. I added that I was sure they would appreciate the coverage. We went back and fourth a bit more and with him trying to convince me to run their stuff until I finally had to let him know that I wasn't interested, thanked him and that there was nothing more to discuss.
This is the follow up email that I got from him...
For the record, they did end up sending out the spacers even though I didn't want them but we never installed them.
Like I said, NOTHING is ever "free" - at least not for me anyway. When I get parts, there are always strings attached and if there's a reason why companies like TeraFlex don't like me, it's because I don't want their parts on my Jeeps and/or they know I will call it like I see it. If their part breaks or just flat out sucks, you can be sure that I will share as much with you. Likewise, I think that reputable companies that stand behind their products are unafraid to work with me and advertise on WAYALIFE.
If anything, I think it would be more honest to say that vendors PAY me to run their parts and some get butthurt when I chose not to. For example, I know there are plenty of haters out there who will say that the only reason why I "bash" TeraFlex is because they won't give me free parts. And to that, I thought the following conversation that I had with them back in October 2011 might shed a little light on how things work in the real world. This took place soon after we got Rubicat. Back then, people were just starting to realizing that there was a problem with the front drive shaft making contact with the exhaust cross over on 2012 JK's when too much droop was present. At the time, TeraFlex and I were still on speaking terms and I was talking to Joe about this as well as other problems he was having with his Jeep when the subject of new exhaust spacers they had came up. This is where we started talking about it by PM...
wayoflife said:
His response...
Joe at TeraFlex said:
Still going on about his Jeep having issues...
wayoflife said:
He responds back...
Joe at TeraFlex said:
I say...
wayoflife said:
He said...
Joe at TeraFlex said:
I respond with...
wayoflife said:
He follows up with...
Joe at TeraFlex said:
Unfortunately, I can only summarize our call but, it went something to the tune of them wanting us to run their suspension kit on Rubicat. They are after all, first and foremost a suspension company and didn't like the idea of us running their spacers if we weren't going to run one of their suspension system as well. To that, I asked if they had anything new? He said no. I told him that I appreciated the offer but we had already installed and tested out several of their kits and that we really wanted to run something new (specifically, we had our eye on the new EVO Bolt-On Coil Over kit at the time - something we PAID for). Unhappy with this, he said that he didn't want to send the exhaust spacer and I just laughed, said no problem and told him that Dynomax was coming out with a solution as well. I added that I was sure they would appreciate the coverage. We went back and fourth a bit more and with him trying to convince me to run their stuff until I finally had to let him know that I wasn't interested, thanked him and that there was nothing more to discuss.
This is the follow up email that I got from him...
For the record, they did end up sending out the spacers even though I didn't want them but we never installed them.
Like I said, NOTHING is ever "free" - at least not for me anyway. When I get parts, there are always strings attached and if there's a reason why companies like TeraFlex don't like me, it's because I don't want their parts on my Jeeps and/or they know I will call it like I see it. If their part breaks or just flat out sucks, you can be sure that I will share as much with you. Likewise, I think that reputable companies that stand behind their products are unafraid to work with me and advertise on WAYALIFE.
JAGS
Hooked
I wanted to post on this earlier and got slammed at work. For what it's worth and coming from a mktg profession perspective, this is my take and why I get so irritated at all the "Free" talk. Knowing Eddie, I sent him a message and he said I'm free to post my take.
First and foremost none of this our business as forum members or the general public. Eddie showed just a small glimpse, but we are not part of any business deal or conversation, so we don't know jack. But, what Eddie does with his forum and how he runs his business, is just that.....a business. Dumbasses out there truly don't know shit when they make these FREE accusations. Wayalife advertisers pay for exposure to US...a large and growing audience, just like they do on every other forum for any industry. Companies sending "free product" for product reviews is commonplace in all industry segments....ever been to costco/Sams Club? It's actually a great marketing tactic for new businesses or businesses with new product. The exposure and subsequent consumer interests is worth every "at cost" cent.
Here's what I see. Wayalife, LLC. A business. We are just lucky enough to see, interact, and many know personally the man (and woman) behind the LLC. Has anyone ever wheeled with INTERNET BRANDS???....you know, the owner of JKF....the place that supports asshats like Mr. Basil. Didn't think so.
I also don't see the time, effort, energy, and cost being discussed for the product reviews, install tutorials, promotional videos, etc etc that are done by Wayalife, LLC and Wayalife Productions. Wayalife LLC pays for the website bandwidth, app development, video production software, music rights, and again... etc etc. So this crap about FREE is just BS. Not to mention all the other projects that Eddie does for these vendors and on location assistance "free time" he gives that seldom gets noted. Just mind boggling to see people say Eddie gets "free" anything.
All these other folks are truly just haters. Normal folks who've never owned or operated a business, simply don't understand the common complexities and expenses of running a business, let alone how to work one's ass off to be successful. It's so easy to bash a man, but I'd rather shake the hand of a successful business owner and support hard work with friendship and my patronage of this WAYALIFE.
Oh, and before the naysayers come on to say how I never post up broken parts made by vendors, allow me to present the following:
Full-Traction is no longer a advertiser of ours but the owner is someone I do consider to be a friend. Here is a shot of their track bar relocation bracket that we broke way back in 2008, back when they were still advertisers with us.
Back in the day, Alloy USA used to be its own company and they were advertisers when we had the following break on one of their axle shafts.
As all of you know, Off Road Evolution is an advertiser here and Mel is a close personal friend of mine. The last thing I would ever want to do is show their products in a bad light and yet, when we broke the rear sway bar system they used to make/sell, I not only posted up about it - we also included it in our Keep it Tight video.
Of course, there's Dynatrac, a company that advertises with us AND the owner Jim is a close personal friend of mine. Again, the last thing I would ever want to do is show his company or product in a bad light and yet, when we broke a semi-float shaft in Moab, I was sure to post up about it.
Of course, in the case of Dynatrac, I also took the time to share how he came all the way out to where we were broken, on the Friday when they were tearing down their booth at the vendor show and just to bring out a spare shaft. He also, took Moby home in his semi and allowed us to use his Jeep until we could get Moby fixed. Now that's a friend and one who knew I had to post up the carnage pics.
Back in the day, Poison Spyder used to be owned by Clifton Slay and back then, he was an advertiser of ours. While we loved our Spyderlocks, I was the first to start talking about and showing pics of how the rings would get bent and mess up our balancing. Why would I do that when they are paying us and hooking us up with parts?
I'm sure there's more I can post and will be sure to do so if I think about it.
Full-Traction is no longer a advertiser of ours but the owner is someone I do consider to be a friend. Here is a shot of their track bar relocation bracket that we broke way back in 2008, back when they were still advertisers with us.
Back in the day, Alloy USA used to be its own company and they were advertisers when we had the following break on one of their axle shafts.
As all of you know, Off Road Evolution is an advertiser here and Mel is a close personal friend of mine. The last thing I would ever want to do is show their products in a bad light and yet, when we broke the rear sway bar system they used to make/sell, I not only posted up about it - we also included it in our Keep it Tight video.
Of course, there's Dynatrac, a company that advertises with us AND the owner Jim is a close personal friend of mine. Again, the last thing I would ever want to do is show his company or product in a bad light and yet, when we broke a semi-float shaft in Moab, I was sure to post up about it.
Of course, in the case of Dynatrac, I also took the time to share how he came all the way out to where we were broken, on the Friday when they were tearing down their booth at the vendor show and just to bring out a spare shaft. He also, took Moby home in his semi and allowed us to use his Jeep until we could get Moby fixed. Now that's a friend and one who knew I had to post up the carnage pics.
Back in the day, Poison Spyder used to be owned by Clifton Slay and back then, he was an advertiser of ours. While we loved our Spyderlocks, I was the first to start talking about and showing pics of how the rings would get bent and mess up our balancing. Why would I do that when they are paying us and hooking us up with parts?
I'm sure there's more I can post and will be sure to do so if I think about it.
JAGS
Hooked
I'd like to retract my previous statement. You are a terrible business man. :cheesy::cheesy:
NFRs2000NYC
Caught the Bug
NFRs2000NYC
Caught the Bug
Great posts Eddie, I'd love to see the haters spin this.
MR.Ty
Token East Coast Guy
I'd like to retract my previous statement. You are a terrible business man. :cheesy::cheesy:
:idontknow: :crazyeyes: :cheesy:
:cheesy: Oh come on, you know they will find a way. :crazyeyes:
JKWrang
New member
So I read some of what eddie said.
I got the gist of it. Basically he told teraflex to suck it and got free parts from his buddies and only loves guys who give him free parts. He also hates america and scams his members.
I think.
:cheesy:
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I got the gist of it. Basically he told teraflex to suck it and got free parts from his buddies and only loves guys who give him free parts. He also hates america and scams his members.
I think.
:cheesy:
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Well, on the one hand, you have me - a guy who owns a business called WAYALIFE. Regardless of who makes the product, I'll call it like I see it - EVEN IF they are a close personal friend of mine. If I don't like a product, I won't run it - "free" or not. Sure, it doesn't make me the most popular guy around but, at least you get the truth.
Now, on the other hand, you have a couple of guys who have regular day jobs but are also moderators on my old forum. So long as they get free parts from a company, that company can do no wrong. If something they make breaks, it's gotta be the installers fault. If someone like me shows PROOF of the breaks, I am hated on for "bashing" the company in question and told that I only do it because I don't get free parts from them. This is of course in spite of the fact that the company in question wanted me to run their parts and I declined.
For your purposes, you are all free to believe whatever it is you want to believe.
Now, on the other hand, you have a couple of guys who have regular day jobs but are also moderators on my old forum. So long as they get free parts from a company, that company can do no wrong. If something they make breaks, it's gotta be the installers fault. If someone like me shows PROOF of the breaks, I am hated on for "bashing" the company in question and told that I only do it because I don't get free parts from them. This is of course in spite of the fact that the company in question wanted me to run their parts and I declined.
For your purposes, you are all free to believe whatever it is you want to believe.
gtony12
Caught the Bug
You just can't make this stuff up :bleh:
Tree Frog
Member
I would think that it would greatly benefit a company, to have a guy whom is known to really put his Jeep through its paces, out there doing research and development.
Doing R and D on his dime. Showing just what will hold up to the abuse and what will not.
If I was building and selling parts I would want to know what worked and what did not. I would want parts to break if they were going to break. Its the only way a problem is going to ever get solved. You have to know If you even have the problem yet.
Also it is correct to think that most of or all of this is really none of anyone's business, unless you know the whole entire story. What someone buys, what someone was given to test out and what it costs is really only a small part of the story.
So the way I see it, is that yeah Eddie runs Evo, Dynatrac, Nitto, *** products on his Jeep. He beats the crap out of them and for the most part they hold up well. He then passes on the info to us and to the manufacture. I think that by now Eddie has gotten a pretty good handle on what will work and what will not. When something don't work out it breaks. When it breaks it leaves you stranded, broke down or worse, injured.
As far as the "free parts whore" stuff goes....Haters gonna hate. :icon_crazy:
Doing R and D on his dime. Showing just what will hold up to the abuse and what will not.
If I was building and selling parts I would want to know what worked and what did not. I would want parts to break if they were going to break. Its the only way a problem is going to ever get solved. You have to know If you even have the problem yet.
Also it is correct to think that most of or all of this is really none of anyone's business, unless you know the whole entire story. What someone buys, what someone was given to test out and what it costs is really only a small part of the story.
So the way I see it, is that yeah Eddie runs Evo, Dynatrac, Nitto, *** products on his Jeep. He beats the crap out of them and for the most part they hold up well. He then passes on the info to us and to the manufacture. I think that by now Eddie has gotten a pretty good handle on what will work and what will not. When something don't work out it breaks. When it breaks it leaves you stranded, broke down or worse, injured.
As far as the "free parts whore" stuff goes....Haters gonna hate. :icon_crazy:
NFRs2000NYC
Caught the Bug
Exactly. Having "sponsoring" companies give you stuff to run on your rig (they need to know that you will run the stuff and put it through hell) is essentially free R&D. From a business perspective....giving eddie one free D60 (not saying they did, just an example) is what? 6K? They give him an axle, and now know that someone is going to run 10 hardcore trails a month, make movies, pics, and post it all over forums....and all for 6k....on the flipside....
Dynatrac would need to buy a jeep
Install the very same 6K axle
Pay an employee to "road test" the parts, which in the offroad world, can take months
Employee may not wheel as hard as Eddie because they don't want to break the vehicle, etc....
Liability of said employee tumbling off a mountain
So for the price of a single part, the company has a much lower risk, lower financial outlay, and arguably better R&D.
The above is obviously just an example. Obviously Dynatrac has a jeep and all, it was just an example to illustrate my point, something the trolls don't seem to grasp.
Sharkey
Word Ninja
The last time I remember TeraFlex doing some R&D on one of their own "new" suspensions, it resulted in a medium speed rollover and they were lucky to walk away unscathed. Yeah, sweet "baja" kit TF. :nah:
Ya think if one person in the vehicle has a helmet on, it might be a good idea for the other passenger to put one on as well? Nothing like bouncing your unprotected head off someone else's helmet.
Regarding the JKF mods and their SEMA builds, I'm not surprised in the least. I'm just bummed I can't make it down there to say hi to both of Frank's faces.
Ya think if one person in the vehicle has a helmet on, it might be a good idea for the other passenger to put one on as well? Nothing like bouncing your unprotected head off someone else's helmet.
Regarding the JKF mods and their SEMA builds, I'm not surprised in the least. I'm just bummed I can't make it down there to say hi to both of Frank's faces.