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ScottC
11-14-2013, 11:30 AM
Anyone have specific pro's or con's regarding tube type sliders (e.g. EVO sliders, PSC Rocker Knockers, etc) versus platforms (e.g. PSC Brawler Rockers, Fab Fours, etc)? I am looking for specific reasons why you went with/are going with one style over the other.

Please note: I only gave those examples for reference. I am not asking for reasons to go with EVO over PSC. Thanks in advance!

cozdude
11-14-2013, 12:34 PM
I like the EVO ones because they are weld on to the frame. Makes them stronger then attaching to the body. If you find a weld on to the frame it's the best way to go if it's poison spider or EVO or someone else


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Wittys-JK
11-14-2013, 01:09 PM
Having bolt on sliders that I have rode hard and put away wet, I would also suggest a frame mount, bolt or weld, as mine mount where traditional Rubi sliders mount and I have managed to push them closer to the body. I am probably one good hit from contact so I am now thinking of rocker protection and that extra expense could have been avoided with the right type of body mount sliders. Search and read on you will learn a lot of peoples real life experiences with different brands and types that will help you make your choice.

hinrichs
11-14-2013, 04:46 PM
I originally was going to go with either custom rubi rails with a step/slider, or the rocker/slider combo a few companies have, but then ended up just going with evo weld on since its frame mounted and a lot stronger. I also did the rocker guard they make as well just incase. If you are looking for more of a step kinda thing the lod is probably one of your best bets or go with the evo at the custom angle like steve (cozdude) has.

OverlanderJK
11-14-2013, 05:43 PM
I've seen the poison spider ones crush body panels from hits. On the rubicon this year someone dropped off a rock onto their rocker knockers and it pinched their body panel between the hinges on the driver door.

His response, "that sucks! As soon as I get home I'm ordering EVO sliders."

ScottC
11-14-2013, 05:54 PM
This may sound dumb to some, but make sense to others...

I am worried about my dog getting in and out of the Jeep (2 door). I don't want her leg to get caught between the tube and the Jeep as she's getting in or out. Can anyone with EVO sliders and a dog comment on that?

Overlander, thanks for the example (despite my caveat in the OP LOL). It was a good example why bolt on body mounts aren't as good as weld on frame mounts. Good to know!

10frank9
11-14-2013, 05:57 PM
This may sound dumb to some, but make sense to others...

I am worried about my dog getting in and out of the Jeep (2 door). I don't want her leg to get caught between the tube and the Jeep as she's getting in or out. Can anyone with EVO sliders and a dog comment on that?

Overlander, thanks for the example (despite my caveat in the OP LOL). It was a good example why bolt on body mounts aren't as good as weld on frame mounts. Good to know!

I've got the EVO sliders with the custom angle (Downward). My young children are able to use it as a step to get in the Jeep. My guess would be your dog could also.

JAGS
11-14-2013, 06:01 PM
What most will comment on is mounting location and type. As far as selecting... Think frame mount over body mount and weld on over bolt on. Lots of options, but usually the top end up being EVO sliders or the LOD bolt ons.


- Jason

JAGS
11-14-2013, 06:05 PM
I've got the EVO sliders with the custom angle (Downward). My young children, and TTFHELL on his rig, are able to use it as a step to get in the Jeep. My guess would be your dog could also.

Fixed it for you. ;)

ScottC
11-14-2013, 06:07 PM
Thanks for the input. Those two are the finalists. I am leaning towards EVO for the strength, though. The dog will figure it out.

hinrichs
11-14-2013, 06:50 PM
I was going to suggest the lod for your dog then. I may be wrong, but i think you can actually weld on the lod sliders as well if you want them even stronger than they are. I have a dog, sliders are not installed yet, but she cant jump in now anymore anyway after the lift and tires so i have to put her in.

cozdude
11-14-2013, 06:52 PM
I was going to suggest the lod for your dog then. I may be wrong, but i think you can actually weld on the lod sliders as well if you want them even stronger than they are. I have a dog, sliders are not installed yet, but she cant jump in now anymore anyway after the lift and tires so i have to put her in.

i believe you can weld on the LOD sliders. that may be a good choice then. dont they have a flat "platform" on the LOD's?

hinrichs
11-14-2013, 08:53 PM
sections have flat spots where the doors are i think.

cozdude
11-14-2013, 09:02 PM
sections have flat spots where the doors are i think.

yea your right i found this pic on project jk

http://my.project-jk.com/data/511/medium/LOD-4.jpg

ScottC
11-14-2013, 09:03 PM
I talked to LoD, and they said their sliders work with bolt on skids. The slider is just bolted under (closest to the ground) the skid plates. So that is good to know.

Can anyone with EVO sliders take a top down picture so I can see the space between the Jeep and the slider tube itself?

cozdude
11-14-2013, 09:17 PM
I talked to LoD, and they said their sliders work with bolt on skids. The slider is just bolted under (closest to the ground) the skid plates. So that is good to know.

Can anyone with EVO sliders take a top down picture so I can see the space between the Jeep and the slider tube itself?

i have one of the custom angle.

cozdude
11-14-2013, 09:18 PM
I talked to LoD, and they said their sliders work with bolt on skids. The slider is just bolted under (closest to the ground) the skid plates. So that is good to know.

Can anyone with EVO sliders take a top down picture so I can see the space between the Jeep and the slider tube itself?


here is one of the normal slider angle

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z152/Nshea62/2012-04-20_14-29-42_820.jpg

SaddleTramp
11-14-2013, 09:30 PM
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I think this is actually a pic of Rubicat.

bl17z90
11-14-2013, 09:33 PM
Scott, I have the Evo sliders with custom angles and Wally jumps over them. Penelope gets put in the jeep unless she is going to sit in the back in which case she sometimes can make the jump.

The odds of a dog actually putting their foot on a slider is unlikely because of how narrow most of them are.

We can do a random meet and greet sometime soon half way between us if you want to see my sliders in person

The platform sliders are usually more of a step than the tub sliders are.



You can get the Lod sliders (platform style) and bolt them on and they are very strong, to the point where Eddie ran them for years, or you can even weld them on. StizzyChris did a good write up on the Lod sliders in his build thread if you want to look more into them

http://wayalife.com/showthread.php?6825-Scorpicon-Build-Thread&p=96659&posted=1#post96659

hinrichs
11-14-2013, 09:34 PM
ill find out this weekend, but still crazy how the normal angle looks like it almost touches the skins

bl17z90
11-14-2013, 09:57 PM
ill find out this weekend, but still crazy how the normal angle looks like it almost touches the skins

That may be why the skins exist.

I actually spoke with Mel and what he said made sense. He likes to bend the pinch seem up so that he can mount the sliders as high as possible. This may also translate to the sliders being as close to the body as possible without actually hitting. :idontknow:

ScottC
11-14-2013, 10:14 PM
Thanks everybody, especially for the pictures! You all have made my decision much easier. I was originally going to try to keep with a Poison Spyder rig since I have the Brawler Mid front bumper. However, I really like the strength of the EVO sliders and skins. I've got a Frankenrig going on anyway, so it looks like EVO won this contest.

Now on to the rear bumper and tire carrier...and the winning PowerBall ticket.

cozdude
11-14-2013, 10:30 PM
Thanks everybody, especially for the pictures! You all have made my decision much easier. I was originally going to try to keep with a Poison Spyder rig since I have the Brawler Mid front bumper. However, I really like the strength of the EVO sliders and skins. I've got a Frankenrig going on anyway, so it looks like EVO won this contest.

Now on to the rear bumper and tire carrier...and the winning PowerBall ticket.

Lol I have dipped from tons of companies myself. Ruggid ridge front bumper, EVO sliders, EVO skins, EVO rock stars, EVO rear d rings, also or-fab, airaid, ARB, plastidip, skyjacker, teraflex, the list goes on and on and on


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bl17z90
11-14-2013, 10:42 PM
Thanks everybody, especially for the pictures! You all have made my decision much easier. I was originally going to try to keep with a Poison Spyder rig since I have the Brawler Mid front bumper. However, I really like the strength of the EVO sliders and skins. I've got a Frankenrig going on anyway, so it looks like EVO won this contest.

Now on to the rear bumper and tire carrier...and the winning PowerBall ticket.

It is very uncommon to stick with one company for an entire build.


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jkmadness
11-14-2013, 10:59 PM
It is very uncommon to stick with one company for an entire build.


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yes you can if your name is KP,:cheesy:

Army_Vet
11-14-2013, 11:07 PM
yes you can if your name is KP,:cheesy:

The ARB whore that he is ;)

bl17z90
11-14-2013, 11:27 PM
yes you can if your name is KP,:cheesy:

:cheesy::cheesy::cheesy:


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Alan30
11-15-2013, 02:57 AM
This may sound dumb to some, but make sense to others...

I am worried about my dog getting in and out of the Jeep (2 door). I don't want her leg to get caught between the tube and the Jeep as she's getting in or out. Can anyone with EVO sliders and a dog comment on that?

Overlander, thanks for the example (despite my caveat in the OP LOL). It was a good example why bolt on body mounts aren't as good as weld on frame mounts. Good to know!

Scott, I always take my dog in and out through the tailgate

ScottC
11-15-2013, 03:05 AM
Scott, I always take my dog in and out through the tailgate

I would do that, but it is a PITA with a soft top.

Alan30
11-15-2013, 03:11 AM
I would do that, but it is a PITA with a soft top.
I do it with my soft top too, and yes it is!!!!!

bmwegr
11-15-2013, 03:41 AM
Thanks everybody, especially for the pictures! You all have made my decision much easier. I was originally going to try to keep with a Poison Spyder rig since I have the Brawler Mid front bumper. However, I really like the strength of the EVO sliders and skins. I've got a Frankenrig going on anyway, so it looks like EVO won this contest.

Now on to the rear bumper and tire carrier...and the winning PowerBall ticket.

Before ordering I'd also take a look at the Nemesis Billy Rocker. Here is a pre-powder coat mock up of my set. They look VERY similar to PSC but in my opinion are designed in a way that won't wrinkle your tub on a hard hit. It's a 3 piece aluminum design, rocker skin, space frame and outer shell.

Options are almost a course. :icon_crazy:
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dhughes
11-15-2013, 03:46 AM
I have a set of evo frame mount waiting to go on but I can see the build quality is very nice and look to be build very solid.

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Aeraun
11-15-2013, 03:52 AM
I've seen the poison spider ones crush body panels from hits. On the rubicon this year someone dropped off a rock onto their rocker knockers and it pinched their body panel between the hinges on the driver door.

His response, "that sucks! As soon as I get home I'm ordering EVO sliders."

That does suck. I was leaning towards the brawler knockers. Still aren't weld on but anyone know of they are at least better at not damaging the body?

The Force will be with you.... always

Alan30
11-15-2013, 04:40 AM
Before ordering I'd also take a look at the Nemesis Billy Rocker. Here is a pre-powder coat mock up of my set. They look VERY similar to PSC but in my opinion are designed in a way that won't wrinkle your tub on a hard hit. It's a 3 piece aluminum design, rocker skin, space frame and outer shell.

Options are almost a course. :icon_crazy:
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At a Jeep Jamboree this summer, one of the Nemesis sales reps was there with 2 of his friends. They all had these and one took a hard enough hit to bend the front of the slider right behind the front wheel. The sliders did no body damage. They are aluminum and were beat up pretty good from other trips they had done. Not being steel I was impressed by their durability :twocents:

munstie
11-15-2013, 04:57 AM
I'm running shrockworks sliders and they are frame mount, but I do have to admit I really like the look of EVO better. Frame mount is definitely the way to go though:thumbup:

2011 JKU 3.5 R.E. Longarm lift.

CaliCrusher
11-15-2013, 05:16 AM
I think if you're considering PSC look at the brawler rockers instead is the rocker knockers. I have the brawler rockers and they bolt to the frame. The PSC guys even prefer those to their rocker knockers.

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CaliCrusher
11-15-2013, 05:21 AM
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10frank9
11-15-2013, 07:44 AM
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End thread... ;)

dahreno
11-15-2013, 07:55 AM
I just installed a set of lod sliders , they are bolt to frame but , can be welded to frame also. I also got them made with the steps going all the way across the top instead of two small places in front of the doors. I really like them but , I have to make custom rear mounts for them as they will not bolt on with my long arm and that's okay , I knew that before I ordered so I had them leave them off when made . I used to have crappy bolt to pinch seam sliders that used to bend up , and hit the body , I would take them off once in a while and beat them back to shape with a sledge . They did bend the crap out of the pinch seam so , I am a little bummed about that .

JAGS
11-15-2013, 08:38 AM
At a Jeep Jamboree this summer, one of the Nemesis sales reps was there with 2 of his friends. They all had these and one took a hard enough hit to bend the front of the slider right behind the front wheel. The sliders did no body damage. They are aluminum and were beat up pretty good from other trips they had done. Not being steel I was impressed by their durability :twocents:

The issue I'd have here is that I have yet to hear one, not one, owner of the EVO Sliders say there sliders took damage. As others have said... "they are bomb proof." So I'm hesitant to put my hard earned money toward some thing that was getting damaged and bent, Even if they may protect the body. I still don't want the actual slider to look like crap.

Alan30
11-15-2013, 10:28 AM
The issue I'd have here is that I have yet to hear one, not one, owner of the EVO Sliders say there sliders took damage. As others have said... "they are bomb proof." So I'm hesitant to put my hard earned money toward some thing that was getting damaged and bent, Even if they may protect the body. I still don't want the actual slider to look like crap.
I'm with you there!!!! That's why I'll be getting EVO's after I've beat the hell out of my factory ones:thumb:

dhughes
11-15-2013, 07:29 PM
Damage from running factory only

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bl17z90
11-15-2013, 08:00 PM
Personally I would avoid anything that mounts to the pinch seem or to the body itself.


My driver side slider (evo) go slammed into a rock awile back and even with my jeep leaning on it and driving forward all that happened was a little bit of paint got scraped off and thats it.