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JK's JK
01-26-2014, 08:45 PM
Yesterday I was going to swap out my front axle shafts. I put the U-joints together and then snap, the cover cracked. I moved the cap far enough over to place the first full c-clip in and then shifted over the joint to place the next clip in. I felt it was getting really hard to move it over further but there was 1/32-1/64 left to get the next clip in. I'll have to contact Alloy USA and see if I can have two new caps.

What are the dues and don'ts on installing U-joints? When I was putting them together I made sure that the U-joint was moving back and forth between the two caps. I did some how manage to get it off center and moved the press off center to straighten up the cap. Would that mess up the needle barrings?

Here are some pictures of what I did.

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jeeeep
01-26-2014, 08:49 PM
creative way to press them in but I wonder if the crack was caused by the rotational push not a faulty cap.

They need to be pressed straight in without any rotation since is it such a tight fit - maybe a light grease coating in the axle hole would help them go in without binding?

JK's JK
01-26-2014, 09:07 PM
creative way to press them in but I wonder if the crack was caused by the rotational push not a faulty cap.

They need to be pressed straight in without any rotation since is it such a tight fit - maybe a light grease coating in the axle hole would help them go in without binding?

Not sure. Over all I'm scared to do it now and I'll let someone else put them together for me. I did put the other U-joint together but I'm not going to try and finish it. It's going to be fun pushing the bad caps out.

jeeeep
01-26-2014, 10:55 PM
Not sure. Over all I'm scared to do it now and I'll let someone else put them together for me. I did put the other U-joint together but I'm not going to try and finish it. It's going to be fun pushing the bad caps out.

it shouldn't be too bad. I do wish when they send the axle shafts they were already assembled lol

Mikes Offroad
01-26-2014, 11:08 PM
By chance did you drop one of the needle bearings into the cap?

JK's JK
01-27-2014, 01:08 AM
By chance did you drop one of the needle bearings into the cap?

Nope. Those were stuck to the side with grease and I added a little bit extra.

Army_Vet
01-27-2014, 10:27 AM
I have personally replace about 100 u-joints in my life and possible seen hundreds more done. I have never seen a cap crack like this from an instal. My thoughts are not to be afraid to try it again.try to grease the caps on the way in. you could also do one cap at a time; this may alleviate the need to center two at a time.

CrazyLarry
01-27-2014, 03:28 PM
Nope. Those were stuck to the side with grease and I added a little bit extra.

I hope your caps didn't come pregreased. Your really not supposed to mess with the grease that come in the caps

ridg3runner
01-27-2014, 03:36 PM
I hope your caps didn't come pregreased. Your really not supposed to mess with the grease that come in the caps

Never heard of that before. Is there a reason you can't add a spot of extra grease to them?

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Army_Vet
01-27-2014, 03:48 PM
Never heard of that before. Is there a reason you can't add a spot of extra grease to them?

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There are times you should not mix grease. Some have additives that don't play nice together. But not to pregrease or add a bit. I never heard that either

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JK's JK
01-27-2014, 06:24 PM
I have personally replace about 100 u-joints in my life and possible seen hundreds more done. I have never seen a cap crack like this from an instal. My thoughts are not to be afraid to try it again.try to grease the caps on the way in. you could also do one cap at a time; this may alleviate the need to center two at a time.

Oh I'm scared to do it myself now. However Alloy USA is going to send me another U-joint and I'll watch someone else that's done it before.


I hope your caps didn't come pregreased. Your really not supposed to mess with the grease that come in the caps

The grease that comes in the caps is a red grease. I just squeezed a little bit into the cap. There was already grease in the U-joint its self and didnt think it need to much.


Never heard of that before. Is there a reason you can't add a spot of extra grease to them?

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I'd say to much grease yeah but a dab of extra in each cap???


There are times you should not mix grease. Some have additives that don't play nice together. But not to pregrease or add a bit. I never heard that either

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Hope the red grease that I added is the same type. Both are red grease.

CrazyLarry
01-27-2014, 06:28 PM
Never heard of that before. Is there a reason you can't add a spot of extra grease to them?

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when i installed my ten factory axles it came with spicer ujoints. inside the ujoint box there was a piece of paper saying not to mix up the caps on different trunon ends and do not add grease because they come pregreased and any excess grease can cause premature failure. not sure why but i just did what it said :idontknow:

JK's JK
01-27-2014, 08:46 PM
when i installed my ten factory axles it came with spicer ujoints. inside the ujoint box there was a piece of paper saying not to mix up the caps on different trunon ends and do not add grease because they come pregreased and any excess grease can cause premature failure. not sure why but i just did what it said :idontknow:

I wont add a spec of grease in any of the U-joints that I put together then. I'll make sure to ask them about this and see about a full install sheet.

ridg3runner
01-28-2014, 12:03 AM
I wont add a spec of grease in any of the U-joints that I put together then. I'll make sure to ask them about this and see about a full install sheet.

Do they have install sheets? Never realized it was that difficult.

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JK's JK
01-28-2014, 12:11 AM
Do they have install sheets? Never realized it was that difficult.

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They did not come with a installation sheet. I wouldnt have thought it was this difficult either!!! :naw: Just press them together and call it good.

ridg3runner
01-28-2014, 12:23 AM
Yes, but the trick is to not overpress. It's going to be a tight fit, there's no doubt. You just have to be a little patient and not run it in there like Roger Ramjet.

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JK's JK
01-28-2014, 12:51 AM
Yes, but the trick is to not overpress. It's going to be a tight fit, there's no doubt. You just have to be a little patient and not run it in there like Roger Ramjet.

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I messaged the tech support for a installation guide. I'll post it once I get the information.

I tell you want. That thing was dead center and I tried to get the clip on. Of course I didnt want to damage the integrity of the clip either!!! I'll just have someone else do it for me.

ridg3runner
01-28-2014, 01:39 AM
I messaged the tech support for a installation guide. I'll post it once I get the information.

I tell you want. That thing was dead center and I tried to get the clip on. Of course I didnt want to damage the integrity of the clip either!!! I'll just have someone else do it for me.

I dunno, maybe just like coilovers, U-Joints aren't for you either. Glad you can afford a mechanic for a U-Joint install, don't know what you're going to do if you ever break one on a trail though.

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JK's JK
01-28-2014, 02:29 AM
I dunno, maybe just like coilovers, U-Joints aren't for you either. Glad you can afford a mechanic for a U-Joint install, don't know what you're going to do if you ever break one on a trail though.

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Your wanting me to go to the ragged edge aren't you!! :icon_crazy: Maybe you have a point. I have no technical skills and I cant do anything by myself so my knowledge is crap. I'm like the blind leading the blind.

BONDSY said he would put them together for me.

StrizzyChris
01-28-2014, 03:02 AM
Your wanting me to go to the ragged edge aren't you!! :icon_crazy: Maybe you have a point. I have no technical skills and I cant do anything by myself so my knowledge is crap. I'm like the blind leading the blind.

BONDSY said he would put them together for me.

And there's no shame in any of this! I would say to find a friendly and mechanically inclined friend to help you who doesn't ming teaching as you go along. You'll never learn by paying a pro to do it for you. If you don't care to learn it, that's fine too.

BUT I will say that your knowledge level is what you make of it. I taught myself everything I know from those early 90's old s10 and YJ service manuals we all had to use before the WWW. Pain in the ass compared to all the video and color manuals available on the internet now! Apply yourself and in 3,4,5 years from now you'll laugh at how little you once knew and proud of how far you've come :yup:

JK's JK
01-28-2014, 03:08 AM
And there's no shame in any of this! I would say to find a friendly and mechanically inclined friend to help you who doesn't ming teaching as you go along. You'll never learn by paying a pro to do it for you. If you don't care to learn it, that's fine too.

BUT I will say that your knowledge level is what you make of it. I taught myself everything I know from those early 90's old s10 and YJ service manuals we all had to use before the WWW. Pain in the ass compared to all the video and color manuals available on the internet now! Apply yourself and in 3,4,5 years from now you'll laugh at how little you once knew and proud of how far you've come :yup:

I appreciate your vote of confidence StrizzyChris. I truly do. :rock:

However I was being facetious/ flippant and mostly towards Lee.

ridg3runner
01-28-2014, 05:31 AM
I really dont think you're as helpless as you'd like people to believe.

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JK's JK
01-30-2014, 11:59 PM
I was given a PDF file from Alloy USA on how to replace Axle U-joints. Very detailed and mAYbe useful to print out.

Let me know what you think.

http://www.ringpinion.com/Content/Book/Replacing-an-Axle-U-Joint.pdf

JK's JK
02-09-2014, 12:35 AM
I posted this over at the pictures thread.

I'm super pissed off. So I went over to Tom's (BONDSY) house today to get the U-Joints pressed in. So we started with pressing out the old U-Joint and sure enough these joints caps are crap. Just look at the F**king pictures. So we started with the other axle shaft to press in the other U-Joint. He said he's never had such issues with U-Joints ever. He said the spicer compared to these new U-Joints that Alloy USA are now selling are wider which is making it super tight which we could not get the Full c-clip in. We both were afraid to crack another cap. I'm just going to drop them off at 4 wheel parts and let them dick around with them. Then he said if I would have bought them through Northridge4x4 they would have been put together for me. Wish I could go back!!!!! :doh::doh:

This is what happened when they got pressed out!!!!!>:(
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jeeeep
02-09-2014, 12:51 AM
He said the spicer compared to these new U-Joints that Alloy USA are now selling are wider

I'm confused, are these Spicer or Alloy u-joints and which is wider?

I coat the inside of the shaft ears with a little grease and only time I've had a u-joint bind is if a bearing needle fell out while pressing it in but can knock it back out ok.

maybe they sent you the wrong u-joint?

JK's JK
02-09-2014, 12:53 AM
We held up the Alloy USA U-joint cap compared to the spicer cap and its a difference between the two. The new U-joints are wider, not by much but they are.

They sent me the right U-joints.

jeeeep
02-09-2014, 12:56 AM
We held up the Alloy USA U-joint cap compared to the spicer cap and its a difference between the two. The new U-joints are wider, not by much but they are.

you're trying to install Spicer? what's the casting stamp on them?

JK's JK
02-09-2014, 12:59 AM
you're trying to install Spicer? what's the casting stamp on them?

There the Alloy USA U-joints there now selling 16525.08. Alloy USA use to sell spicer. I'm just going to have someone else have the headache and press them in for me and I'm going to buy spicer U-joints for backup.

jeeeep
02-09-2014, 01:24 AM
you may just want to get the Spicer joints and be done with it. I'm thinking if the Alloys are that tight and the shop gets them in, the failure possibility goes up and getting them out will not be fun...just my thought process.

If you get the Spicer for a spare- 4WP kept giving me the wrong (right u-joint before Spicer discontinued it) u-joint but not the most recent casting. take a look at what I found out - http://wayalife.com/showthread.php?14588-front-axle-shaft-u-joint-part-numbers

JK's JK
02-09-2014, 01:39 AM
you may just want to get the Spicer joints and be done with it. I'm thinking if the Alloys are that tight and the shop gets them in, the failure possibility goes up and getting them out will not be fun...just my thought process.

If you get the Spicer for a spare- 4WP kept giving me the wrong (right u-joint before Spicer discontinued it) u-joint but not the most recent casting. take a look at what I found out - http://wayalife.com/showthread.php?14588-front-axle-shaft-u-joint-part-numbers

Yeah I'm not going to stock there U-joints on my rig. You've got a point, if they do install them is there micro fractures?? The first picture the cap came off way to easy. Tom could not believe it did that, he's pressed in and out multiple times the spicer and hand no issue.