6 speed wont go into reverse

squigmang · Jun 5, 2014

Hey guys,
Ive been having an issue with getting into reverse the past week or so. It only happens in the morning, after the jeep has been sitting all night. It will go into every gear but reverse. This morning it took me about 3 mins to finally get it to engage. Once I drive it for a bit, it will work perfectly.
Any ideas? It is a 2010 JKUR with 60,000 kms
thanks in advance

BlackKnight · Jun 5, 2014

squigmang said:
Hey guys,
Ive been having an issue with getting into reverse the past week or so. It only happens in the morning, after the jeep has been sitting all night. It will go into every gear but reverse. This morning it took me about 3 mins to finally get it to engage. Once I drive it for a bit, it will work perfectly.
Any ideas? It is a 2010 JKUR with 60,000 kms
thanks in advance

Have you changed out the transmission oil? maybe is getting a little dirty and is taking a bit to push the dirty fluid through the valving. But I'm no expert...

cozdude · Jun 5, 2014

BlackKnight said:
Have you changed out the transmission oil? maybe is getting a little dirty and is taking a bit to push the dirty fluid through the valving. But I'm no expert...

i think you maybe right. dirty/old tranny oil could be the issue. same type of thing happened in my brothers car where he couldnt shift the auto tranny into gear. found out that he just needs a tranny flush and it works flawlessly again

Bacon · Jun 5, 2014

Valving in a six speed? Not saying dirty fluid isn't the problem, but I don't believe fluid through valves should be an issue for the manual. But I can honestly say I have never had one apart and who knows what Chrysler is up to these days...

squigmang · Jun 5, 2014

Would it make sense that it would work perfectly through the day if it was dirty fluid?

jnabird333 · Jun 5, 2014

How does the clutch feel? Any throw-out bearing noise? It seems the clutch barely moves enough to get the synchros lined up to begin with. Even the slightest leak or throw-out bearing issue could be making this worse.

madgunnermaurer · Jun 5, 2014

My 2013 is a pain sometimes to get in reverse. I have to double clutch it just to get it in sometimes.
(can't find'em grind'em) I really getting tired of it.:icon_crazy:

squigmang · Jun 5, 2014

jnabird333 said:
How does the clutch feel? Any throw-out bearing noise? It seems the clutch barely moves enough to get the synchros lined up to begin with. Even the slightest leak or throw-out bearing issue could be making this worse.

I was wondering about this. At idle in neutral I hear a bit of a rattle/ticking, then when I depress the clutch the noise stops.

jnabird333 · Jun 5, 2014

squigmang said:
I was wondering about this. At idle in neutral I hear a bit of a rattle/ticking, then when I depress the clutch the noise stops.

If this is a new thing I would keep heading down this path. My bearing has made noise from the beginning. I've thought about taking it back to the dealer as we are still under warranty, but the thought of them messing with my Jeep is worst than the work of replacing it myself. In cold weather it is not uncommon for me to have to double-clutch to go into reverse. But it's always been this way. (This is where my comments earlier came from.)

squigmang · Jun 5, 2014

jnabird333 said:
If this is a new thing I would keep heading down this path. My bearing has made noise from the beginning. I've thought about taking it back to the dealer as we are still under warranty, but the thought of them messing with my Jeep is worst than the work of replacing it myself. In cold weather it is not uncommon for me to have to double-clutch to go into reverse. But it's always been this way. (This is where my comments earlier came from.)

it also rattles as i pull away in 1st alot of the time?

gtony12 · Jun 5, 2014

jnabird333 said:
How does the clutch feel? Any throw-out bearing noise? It seems the clutch barely moves enough to get the synchros lined up to begin with. Even the slightest leak or throw-out bearing issue could be making this worse.

X2 here! :yup:

squigmang · Jun 5, 2014

gtony12 said:
X2 here! :yup:

what does throw out bearing noise sound like?

gtony12 · Jun 5, 2014

squigmang said:
what does throw out bearing noise sound like?

I have a auto now, my toyota truck was stick and when bearing went out it had a rattle when I pushed in the clutch and would just grind Revers. gear.:yup:

Greg__Berger · Jun 5, 2014

Mine started rattling just like that shortly after bringing it home. In the first year, the stealership has now torn the transmission apart twice to replace the throw out bearings(x2), input shaft bearings(x2), the shifter, the shift forks - all under warranty. It still shifts rough and I suspect they'll be working on it again in the future.

On top of that, they've also had to replace the water pump and just recently the front inner axle seals. I think my Jeep has spent more time in the shop than on the trail.

Thank God for warranties.

squigmang · Jun 9, 2014

UPDATE:

Just realized today, when the jeep is off, it will go into each gear very easy. When I turn it on, it is much, much harder to get in gear.
Thoughts?

ridg3runner · Jun 9, 2014

squigmang said:
UPDATE:

Just realized today, when the jeep is off, it will go into each gear very easy. When I turn it on, it is much, much harder to get in gear.
Thoughts?

I'm thinking it's needing a new clutch or possibly just bled.

ridg3runner · Jun 9, 2014

squigmang said:
what does throw out bearing noise sound like?

Sortof a dry sound, but if it's a throwout bearing it won't be heard as much, if at all, unless you have the clutch depressed rather than released, opposite of what was stated a few posts back.

jnabird333 · Jun 9, 2014

ridg3runner said:
Sortof a dry sound, but if it's a throwout bearing it won't be heard as much, if at all, unless you have the clutch depressed rather than released, opposite of what was stated a few posts back.

I'm sorry but this is wrong. Many times a bad bearing will quiet when the load is applied by depressing the clutch. Most throwout bearings will squeak our rattle when no load is applied or foot is of the clutch. Others will give no warning and just fail. Rarely will a bearing make noise when the petal is pressed.

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ridg3runner · Jun 9, 2014

jnabird333 said:
I'm sorry but this is wrong. Many times a bad bearing will quiet when the load is applied by depressing the clutch. Most throwout bearings will squeak our rattle when no load is applied or foot is of the clutch. Others will give no warning and just fail. Rarely will a bearing make noise when the petal is pressed.

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No, not entirely wrong. I have one sitting in my driveway right now that has a throwout bearing going out. It sounds just fine until I even touch the clutch petal. Dry bearing sound at startup until I release clutch, sometimes coupled with a slight squeal.

jnabird333 · Jun 9, 2014

I would say you have one that falls in the rare category. Between be wife and I, we have diagnosed/replaced about a dozen clutch and or throwout bearings and we can't remember one ever making noise depressed and not released..... But I've learned to never say never so anything is possible.

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