PDA

View Full Version : Organizations trying close 4x4 trails



MR.Ty
07-07-2014, 07:08 PM
Ok, I'm hope someone can help me out. Talking with my professor today about a possible paper, and I said that I may do one one on people trying to keep trails open and people trying to close them down. Professor said it was good except that I did have any names of people or organizations trying to close trails. Google didn't yeild any results so I'm hoping that some of you all can help. Who is/are trying to close trails down, who are these environmentalists that want us and other 4x4s off of state property. Thanks for any info.

SDG
07-07-2014, 07:13 PM
I would guess nearly any wilderness protection group, or enviornmental protection group?

Sierra club comes to mind but I could be wrong.
Locally the US dept of fish and wildlife has pushed for closi g hiking and mountain bike trails.

Search for articles on trails closing and they should site the agencies or groups who support or applaud it.

jeff_in_rc
07-07-2014, 07:19 PM
Sierra Club, The Center for Biological Diversity, and any other "environmental" group you can think of.

It's sad that these groups want to keep man from the planet itself so I say, go live under a rock...........on the moon!

MR.Ty
07-07-2014, 07:50 PM
Sierra Club, The Center for Biological Diversity, and any other "environmental" group you can think of.

It's sad that these groups want to keep man from the planet itself so I say, go live under a rock...........on the moon!

Holy S***, thanks that is what I was looking for. I agree, hope that commercial space travel is available soon. They need to just leave.

MountainRambler
07-07-2014, 08:57 PM
Add the Southern Environmental law center to the list,:gaah: here in NC they successfully closed the Tellico trails in the mountains and now they are trying to close beach driving in the Cape Hatteras National Sea Shore. :naw: Also groups like trout unlimited are always pushing for trail closure.

wayoflife
07-08-2014, 12:25 AM
As mentioned, the Sierra Club is the biggest one working against us. In California, they successfully closed a ton of trails about 2 years ago by suing the National Parks Service for not doing an environmental impact study of vehicles crossing a meadow. The Park Services decided that they didn't have the funds to do this so, they just closed the trails down.

MR.Ty
07-08-2014, 12:32 AM
As mentioned, the Sierra Club is the biggest one working against us. In California, they successfully closed a ton of trails about 2 years ago by suing the National Parks Service for not doing an environmental impact study of vehicles crossing a meadow. The Park Services decided that they didn't have the funds to do this so, they just closed the trails down.

That is a frustrating thing to know. Since I started this thread the little research I've done has yielded quite a bit of info about both the economical and environmental impact general OHV use has. The sad reality is that if there was a way to keep the few s*** heads from really tearing up the land it would take away a huge part of the argument the "environmentalists have.

Panda
07-08-2014, 12:39 AM
The Sierra club shut down all camping here at lake berryessa in Sonoma county a few years back even taking away people's vacation property, the lake my family vacationed since I was 2 years old (which is a very long time ago) my brother was a very active member of the blue ribbon coalition and fought them till the day he died :yup:

safecracker909
07-08-2014, 08:28 AM
Ok, I'm hope someone can help me out. Talking with my professor today about a possible paper, and I said that I may do one one on people trying to keep trails open and people trying to close them down. Professor said it was good except that I did have any names of people or organizations trying to close trails. Google didn't yeild any results so I'm hoping that some of you all can help. Who is/are trying to close trails down, who are these environmentalists that want us and other 4x4s off of state property. Thanks for any info.

Contact CORVA. They would be able to help since they are on the front lines of defending our trails. At the same time, give them the $30 to become a member. It's the least we can do.

TheStick
07-08-2014, 01:39 PM
As Eddie mentioned, research the trail closures in El Dorado County, CA. 42 trails shut down. I believe some were partially reopened.

If I remember right, there is a group fighting the decision but I cannot remember who.

Here is one that popped up for me.

http://www.laketahoenews.net/2012/04/opinion-closing-forest-roads-in-el-dorado-county-is-wrong/

SDG
07-08-2014, 03:31 PM
The Sierra club shut down all camping here at lake berryessa in Sonoma county a few years back even taking away people's vacation property, the lake my family vacationed since I was 2 years old (which is a very long time ago) my brother was a very active member of the blue ribbon coalition and fought them till the day he died :yup:

Really? That sucks! I used to go up there and camp when I was in college @ Davis. I was just there a few years ago on a houseboat for a friends bachelor party. Beautiful area, that is sooooo lame!


Sent from my SM-G900P using WAYALIFE mobile app

MR.Ty
07-08-2014, 04:06 PM
Arenít there cases of these people being eco-terrorists as well? Putting spike strips along trails or blocking them off rocks and down trees. I can only imagine how upset I would be if I ran over a spike strip miles away from civilization. >:(

Jiffy05
07-08-2014, 05:24 PM
Arenít there cases of these people being eco-terrorists as well? Putting spike strips along trails or blocking them off rocks and down trees. I can only imagine how upset I would be if I ran over a spike strip miles away from civilization. >:(

There are cases of that. The most recent one I heard about was on a bike trail someone put a wire about neck level across the trail.

jason08JK
07-08-2014, 06:24 PM
Type in "Earth First!" In Google and read the Wiki write up. These "people" are scary. I heard stories about them running piano wire neck high in tunnels in the desert.


Sent from iPhone using WAYALIFE mobile app

BONDSY
07-08-2014, 06:25 PM
Basically any organization that supports democrat causes, or politician that has a (d) after their name. Be sure to check the latest move to declare the high sierras as a endangered habitat for the Yellow Legged Frog and Yosemite Toad or something like that.

jhires
07-08-2014, 07:10 PM
Also look into the organizations and businesses that are funding them. Follow the money as they say.

MR.Ty
07-08-2014, 07:22 PM
Also look into the organizations and businesses that are funding them. Follow the money as they say.

Will do. So far I haven't found exactly who funds them other than their members.

MR.Ty
07-08-2014, 07:24 PM
Type in "Earth First!" In Google and read the Wiki write up. These "people" are scary. I heard stories about them running piano wire neck high in tunnels in the desert.


Sent from iPhone using WAYALIFE mobile app

:eek: Complete with a bombing and everything. :grayno:

MR.Ty
07-08-2014, 07:26 PM
Basically any organization that supports democrat causes, or politician that has a (d) after their name. Be sure to check the latest move to declare the high sierras as a endangered habitat for the Yellow Legged Frog and Yosemite Toad or something like that.

That is upsetting that we could loose access to trails because of a frog.... :grayno:

jeff_in_rc
07-08-2014, 07:41 PM
Basically any organization that supports democrat causes, or politician that has a (d) after their name. Be sure to check the latest move to declare the high sierras as a endangered habitat for the Yellow Legged Frog and Yosemite Toad or something like that.

And DON'T forget that these same people hire people to "plant" a bug or lizard that does not and cannot live in that area just to try to get it closed. I don't remember the details but a lizard was used for this purpose once and I will say thankfully the the USFS saw thru the ruse and ruled against the nut jobs.

We all in the off-road world need to get our sh!t together to become a force to reckon with. Dirt bikes, quads, OHV's, UTV's, ATV's, 4X4's all need to work as one big group to fight for our right to use public lands in a responsible way, not to be locked out of OUR public lands by anybody! Can I get a "hell ya?"

safecracker909
07-11-2014, 02:52 PM
And DON'T forget that these same people hire people to "plant" a bug or lizard that does not and cannot live in that area just to try to get it closed. I don't remember the details but a lizard was used for this purpose once and I will say thankfully the the USFS saw thru the ruse and ruled against the nut jobs.

We all in the off-road world need to get our sh!t together to become a force to reckon with. Dirt bikes, quads, OHV's, UTV's, ATV's, 4X4's all need to work as one big group to fight for our right to use public lands in a responsible way, not to be locked out of OUR public lands by anybody! Can I get a "hell ya?"

Hell ya! But what are YOU going to do as one person. This a why I mentioned earlier to join California Off Road Vehicle Association CORVA. You don't have to live in California to be a member. I really think CORVA is the hardest working group out there protecting everyone's right to use any trail.

They say everything starts in California. Once California is off limits, so is the rest of the country.

jeff_in_rc
07-11-2014, 04:13 PM
Hell ya! But what are YOU going to do as one person. This a why I mentioned earlier to join California Off Road Vehicle Association CORVA. You don't have to live in California to be a member. I really think CORVA is the hardest working group out there protecting everyone's right to use any trail.

They say everything starts in California. Once California is off limits, so is the rest of the country.

What am I doing you ask? I belong to: Cal4wheel, CORVA, The Blueribbon Coalition, and the Gear Grinders 4 Wheel Drive Club. We as the club have many adopt-a-trails that we maintain in conjunction with the BLM, USFS, and NPS IIRC. We also help The Friends Of Cerro Gordo with manpower and supplies as needed.

I have only been 4 wheeling for a little over 2 years but before that when I rode dirt bikes I worked with the USFS every year for 8 years clearing the trails in the Kern Plateau AKA Kennedy Meadows. I do what I can to help with my back as well as my wallet, just wish I could afford to do more!

safecracker909
07-11-2014, 04:25 PM
What am I doing you ask? I belong to: Cal4wheel, CORVA, The Blueribbon Coalition, and the Gear Grinders 4 Wheel Drive Club. We as the club have many adopt-a-trails that we maintain in conjunction with the BLM, USFS, and NPS IIRC. We also help The Friends Of Cerro Gordo with manpower and supplies as needed.

I have only been 4 wheeling for a little over 2 years but before that when I rode dirt bikes I worked with the USFS every year for 8 years clearing the trails in the Kern Plateau AKA Kennedy Meadows. I do what I can to help with my back as well as my wallet, just wish I could afford to do more!

I'm sorry. I meant YOU as an individual vs a group. And not you in particular.
Awesome that you do as much as you are doing. We need more of us out there standing up to protect our rights as humans to go where we want and when we want. So long as we are destroying our surroundings.

jeff_in_rc
07-11-2014, 04:40 PM
I'm sorry. I meant YOU as an individual vs a group. And not you in particular.
Awesome that you do as much as you are doing. We need more of us out there standing up to protect our rights as humans to go where we want and when we want. So long as we are destroying our surroundings.

OK I guess you meant "you" as everyone else out there in Wayalife land? Hey no problem, I get it now. I have been known to be a little slow! LOL
The more of us standing together the better off we will ALL be huh!

safecracker909
07-11-2014, 04:48 PM
OK I guess you meant "you" as everyone else out there in Wayalife land? Hey no problem, I get it now. I have been known to be a little slow! LOL
The more of us standing together the better off we will ALL be huh!

It's my fault. What I think and what gets typed are not always the same. Too much GMO food. :-(. But you are right. We need to stand as groups and not individuals.

jeff_in_rc
07-11-2014, 05:24 PM
It's my fault. What I think and what gets typed are not always the same. Too much GMO food. :-(. But you are right. We need to stand as groups and not individuals.

No worries man, no worries! It's all good. :-)

Now a question for the masses, how DO we get everyone that uses our public lands to stand as one group?
If we could do this we would be one hell of a group! I have been trying to answer that question for years now.

safecracker909
07-11-2014, 05:38 PM
Now a question for the masses, how DO we get everyone that uses our public lands to stand as one group?
If we could do this we would be one hell of a group! I have been trying to answer that question for years now.

The problem is human nature. If it doesn't effect me, than it is not my problem. Closing a trail in another county or state is not close enough to home to affect many people. Just keep spreading the word and try get people to join worthy organizations.

jeff_in_rc
07-11-2014, 05:45 PM
The problem is human nature. If it doesn't effect me, than it is not my problem. Closing a trail in another county or state is not close enough to home to affect many people. Just keep spreading the word and try get people to join worthy organizations.

Man did you hit the nail on the head or what! That is the exact problem, apathy at it's finest I'm afraid. I will keep doing what I can as I know you will as well, thanks for your support!

And a big THANK YOU to all of you who get involved in one way or another to help keep public lands open for the public to use!

Scoop315
03-21-2016, 12:37 AM
There should be a special place in hell for SierraClub and Greenpeace dolts, where jeeps run over them continuously, and the enviroweenies like them who take things too far, have to watch asthedrivers and their families are having fun with responsible off-roading.

Scoop315
03-21-2016, 12:38 AM
Oops. Two year old thread resurrection.

Anyway, those irrational enviroweenies also affect my job in construction. No one wants to see the environment irreparably harmed. But there's responsible ways to allow off-roading irresponsible ways, as there are ways to produce electricity using fossil fuels responsibly.

Battle Born JK
04-27-2017, 11:11 PM
This is a old thread but from 2014 to present time what is the status of the trails are the damn tree huggers winning the battle of the trails or are they staying open for us to use and enjoy.

catahoula
04-27-2017, 11:35 PM
This is a old thread but from 2014 to present time what is the status of the trails are the damn tree huggers winning the battle of the trails or are they staying open for us to use and enjoy.

Hell, I'm more worried about others coming onto National Park lands to establish oil fields and such instead of a "tree hugger".

Battle Born JK
04-27-2017, 11:39 PM
Hell, I'm more worried about others coming onto National Park lands to establish oil fields and such instead of a "tree hugger".
This is true all kinds of different groups to worry about

Brute
04-28-2017, 09:26 PM
Hell, I'm more worried about others coming onto National Park lands to establish oil fields and such instead of a "tree hugger".

I agree with this...the new administration is about to unwind a lot of protections current Monument lands enjoy...we need to continue supporting groups like the Blue Ribbon Coalition & Tread Lightly


Sent from my iPhone using WAYALIFE mobile app (http://r.tapatalk.com/byo?rid=73415)

catahoula
04-28-2017, 09:43 PM
I agree with this...the new administration is about to unwind a lot of protections current Monument lands enjoy...we need to continue supporting groups like the Blue Ribbon Coalition & Tread Lightly


Sent from my iPhone using WAYALIFE mobile app (http://r.tapatalk.com/byo?rid=73415)
You got that right brother!

Sent from my XT1080 using WAYALIFE mobile app (http://r.tapatalk.com/byo?rid=73415)