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Reaper
02-01-2016, 02:31 PM
Hey guys,
I have a 2012 JKU Rubicon. In the next three years I want to build it up to be able to take on the Rubicon and any other trail out there that's close to its difficulty. Im looking for a build list of what needs to be done. Here is my list as of now. I would like to hear your opinions on the products Im thinking about and add any you think I need. If you have something Bad to say about a product please tell me why and give me another product you would recommend and why. Thanks guys! I look forward to seeing yall!

(lift) Rock Krawler or Evo 2.5"-4"
(Wheels) Hutchinson bead locks 17x8.5
(tires) good year wrangler 37" mt/r kevlars
I have a smittybilt front singer stubby, but after reading about smittybilt quality I might end up going for some poison spyder stufflike
(front bumper) poison spyder brawler light
(rear bumper) poison spyder rock brawler with tire carrier
(rocker) poison spyder brawler rocker sliders
(cage) rock hard bolt on sport cage
(skids) river raider complete skids for the 4 door
(winch) Warn Power Plant

wayoflife
02-01-2016, 02:50 PM
What is required to make a ENJOYABLE trip down the rubicon?

An understanding and willingness to take your time and enjoy the beautiful scenery and the friends you have with you.


I have a 2012 JKU Rubicon. In the next three years I want to build it up to be able to take on the Rubicon and any other trail out there that's close to its difficulty. Im looking for a build list of what needs to be done. Here is my list as of now. I would like to hear your opinions on the products Im thinking about and add any you think I need. If you have something Bad to say about a product please tell me why and give me another product you would recommend and why. Thanks guys! I look forward to seeing yall!

(lift) Rock Krawler or Evo 2.5"-4"
(Wheels) Hutchinson bead locks 17x8.5
(tires) good year wrangler 37" mt/r kevlars
I have a smittybilt front singer stubby, but after reading about smittybilt quality I might end up going for some poison spyder stufflike
(front bumper) poison spyder brawler light
(rear bumper) poison spyder rock brawler with tire carrier
(rocker) poison spyder brawler rocker sliders
(cage) rock hard bolt on sport cage
(skids) river raider complete skids for the 4 door
(winch) Warn Power Plant

You can run the trail in a stock Rubicon if you really wanted to but I typically recommend no less than 2.5" of lift and 35" tires. Based on your build list, you will have more than enough to do it and with ease.

Of the stuff you have listed, I would recommend this:

1. Look into different bead lock wheels. Hutchenson's look great but they leak... a LOT and they have too much back spacing which will result in rubbing issues. For the money, I personally would consider an ATX Slab or Chamber Pro II as they have the best designed locking ring - it is super thick, uses big counter sunk bolts and when installed, sits metal to metal.
2. I would recommend you look at a different set of tires. While I love the look of MTR's and so wanted to like them, they were by far the WORST tire I have ever run. They are difficult to balance, track funny on the highway due to their directional like design and have very weak sidewalls.
3. I would save your money and NOT get the River Raider skids. First off, there's no reason you need to replace your factory skids with expensive aftermarket ones. Trust me, I have been running the same factory skids for the last 9 years and they're still holding up just fine. Second, I have seen where the River Raiders transfer case skid tacoed under a big hit the way a factory skid will not. If you have an automatic, I would recommend that you ADD an oil pan skid as there is none as well as something to protect your transmission cooler line and sump pan. I personally would recommend an EVO ProTek skid for both as they protect just what you need and nothing else.
4. While I LOVE my WARN PowerPlant, I've been seeing and hearing where more and more people are having problems with theirs. I might recommend a 9.5ti or a new Xeon unit instead and just get an ARB compressor.
5. I personally don't like the Poison Spyder rocker guards as I have seen where they bend up on a big hit, do damage to the body and or get so bent that you can't open the doors. Otherwise, their other stuff is all nice.

Outside of that, I think you're good to go. Just get a good recovery kit to add to your list.

Ddays
02-01-2016, 02:58 PM
Go with EVO lift. RK kit has some baggage that you have to deal with that you don't have to with the EVO kit.

Might want to take a look at ATX Slabs or Chamber Pro's for wheels. (Haha - Eddie beat me to it.) I looked at the wheels for a while like you and
decided on the Chamber Pro's. The Hutchinson's look like a bitch to install as well. Also - you may want to check out the new Machetes from KMD - they
look badass.

Reaper
02-01-2016, 06:30 PM
what tires do you recommend over the wranglers mt/r

wayoflife
02-01-2016, 06:49 PM
what tires do you recommend over the wranglers mt/r

Me personally, I have always had great performance with Toyo MT's. I really am enjoying the new Cooper Discoverer STT Pro's that I have on my Renegade and of course, Nitto Trail Grapplers are a good choice too.

Ddays
02-01-2016, 06:52 PM
Me personally, I have always had great performance with Toyo MT's. I really am enjoying the new Cooper Discoverer STT Pro's that I have on my Renegade and of course, Nitto Trail Grapplers are a good choice too.

Between Nitto/Toyo, which is the better as far as needing least amount of balancing? Toyo?

wayoflife
02-01-2016, 06:55 PM
Between Nitto/Toyo, which is the better as far as needing least amount of balancing? Toyo?

Funny thing is, Toyo is the parent company of Nitto. Needless to say, Toyo makes Nitto tires. That being said, to this day, I have NEVER balanced a single one of the Toyo MT's I have owned over the years. I have literally mounted them up on my bead lock wheels and they've always been round. I can't say the same with the multiple sets of Trail Grapplers I have run over the years.

highoctane
02-01-2016, 07:05 PM
Just pick up a good set of ear plugs and a set of Mud Grapplers. :D

The 35" Mud Grapplers I ran on 18" Spyderlock beadlocks were similar to Eddie's experience with Toyo M/T tires. Mount them and go, really needed no balancing. Smooth on the highway despite the noise. But they were a heavy load range E tire.

wayoflife
02-01-2016, 07:09 PM
Just pick up a good set of ear plugs and a set of Mud Grapplers. :D

The 35" Mud Grapplers I ran on 18" Spyderlock beadlocks were similar to Eddie's experience with Toyo M/T tires. Mount them and go, really needed no balancing. Smooth on the highway despite the noise. But they were a heavy load range E tire.

Funny you should say as much because I would concur with you that the Mud Grapplers are round as well. Noisy for sure but mine didn't need balancing.

geberhard
02-01-2016, 09:31 PM
I would not bag on the SRC bumper just yet, I think Smitty has turned around in the last decade and they have been doing some much better stuff, and better finish and quality. I think replacing a bumper should be lower on the priority list :) I agree with Eddie on the MTR sidewalls, but I would say run what you have to the ground (not many rocks in FL), and have a good spare and a tire repair trail kit.

I would definitely relocate and protect anything that is low hanging on the rig, like the evap box, and protect the gas tank and muffler area. For the Rubicon, bring at a minimum with your group front spare shafts and joints. Beef up your steering area and a sector shaft brace or additional protection can go a long way.

Get info on local clubs and repair shops (also while making the thread across the US if you are planning to drive your rig), so you are not caught by surprise when something fail in the group. No matter how prepared you are, something always happens :)

Most of all have fun!

Gui

turbineguy
02-01-2016, 11:04 PM
An understanding and willingness to take your time and enjoy the beautiful scenery and the friends you have with you.

2. I would recommend you look at a different set of tires. While I love the look of MTR's and so wanted to like them, they were by far the WORST tire I have ever run. They are difficult to balance, track funny on the highway due to their directional like design and have very weak sidewalls.



Im 100% in agreement with this. I had 5 37" MTRs, two of which got rips in the sidewalls. They had no 37s in the country, moved up to 38 MTRs, and while they look great, one had sidewall issues right from the manufacturer.

I would not want to run the Rubicon with my MTRs, just too much risk of losing a tire.

jorgelrod
02-02-2016, 01:25 AM
4. While I LOVE my WARN PowerPlant, I've been seeing and hearing where more and more people are having problems with theirs. I might recommend a 9.5ti or a new Xeon unit instead and just get an ARB compressor.

Eddie what have you heard? I love my Powerplant, but would love to know beforehand of any potential problems...

OverlanderJK
02-02-2016, 06:37 AM
I would not bag on the SRC bumper just yet, I think Smitty has turned around in the last decade and they have been doing some much better stuff, and better finish and quality. I think replacing a bumper should be lower on the priority list :) I agree with Eddie on the MTR sidewalls, but I would say run what you have to the ground (not many rocks in FL), and have a good spare and a tire repair trail kit.

I would definitely relocate and protect anything that is low hanging on the rig, like the evap box, and protect the gas tank and muffler area. For the Rubicon, bring at a minimum with your group front spare shafts and joints. Beef up your steering area and a sector shaft brace or additional protection can go a long way.

Get info on local clubs and repair shops (also while making the thread across the US if you are planning to drive your rig), so you are not caught by surprise when something fail in the group. No matter how prepared you are, something always happens :)

Most of all have fun!

Gui

Hmm over the last three years I haven't added a gas tank skid, relocated my evap, don't have a sector shaft brace and haven't "beefed up" my steering area. I've had no issues in the rubicon. Maybe you know something I don't.

chili84
02-02-2016, 08:28 AM
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Go with EVO lift. RK kit has some baggage that you have to deal with that you don't have to with the EVO kit.

Might want to take a look at ATX Slabs or Chamber Pro's for wheels. (Haha - Eddie beat me to it.) I looked at the wheels for a while like you and
decided on the Chamber Pro's. The Hutchinson's look like a bitch to install as well. Also - you may want to check out the new Machetes from KMD - they
look badass.

Like this?? :) KMC XD series Machete on 37" Cooper Discoverer STT PRO.

Ddays
02-02-2016, 11:17 AM
Don't take this as a knock cuz those are nice wheels, but I was referring to the true beadlock version like these. Not available to the public yet but might be worth the wait.

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GCM 2
02-02-2016, 12:12 PM
Don't take this as a knock cuz those are nice wheels, but I was referring to the true beadlock version like these. Not available to the public yet but might be worth the wait.

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Well.......the KMC Machetes in this photo are sort of never going to be available to the general public. ;) But I know what you are saying, when KMC begins producing the forged version of this wheel then yes, they will have been worth the wait. EVO1's Gold KMC's are billet milled custom pieces produced for the KMC team guys just for the Baja 1000. Badass wheel nonetheless :thumb:

Ddays
02-02-2016, 12:33 PM
Well.......the KMC Machetes in this photo are sort of never going to be available to the general public. ;) But I know what you are saying, when KMC begins producing the forged version of this wheel then yes, they will have been worth the wait. EVO1's Gold KMC's are billet milled custom pieces produced for the KMC team guys just for the Baja 1000. Badass wheel nonetheless :thumb:


That makes sense because there was something about the look of those wheels that was screaming expen$ive besides the gold color. Thanks for the info!

Grubbicon
02-02-2016, 12:38 PM
I would think about a different rear bumper if I were you. I ran one and with 35s it was great and I had zero complaints. However when I jumped to 37s it started to get noticeably louder. I eventually went to a 40 and needless to say within a few months it was off because it rattled like crazy. Ive since moved to EVO carrier and way more sturdy.

I would also agree about rethinking the tires. I have the 40 MTR and I dont think they are worth the price at all. I have a couple friends with the TG 40s and they run circles around the MTRs. The MTRs seem to go wayyy down hill quick when they get dirt in them.

07streetbobrider
02-02-2016, 01:10 PM
You should regear your axles too for the 37" tires..

highoctane
02-02-2016, 01:46 PM
Well.......the KMC Machetes in this photo are sort of never going to be available to the general public. ;) But I know what you are saying, when KMC begins producing the forged version of this wheel then yes, they will have been worth the wait. EVO1's Gold KMC's are billet milled custom pieces produced for the KMC team guys just for the Baja 1000. Badass wheel nonetheless :thumb:

He's back! Those wheels on Evo 1 for the Baja 500 look absolutely awesome. Drew had told me to wait a few months before ordering my wheels if I wanted to maybe go with something new and get a set of the new Machete beadlocks, but I ultimately went with the Slabs so I could have the 3.5" backspacing. PLus I REALLY like the look of the black Slabs with the bare aluminum ring. Don't know if I'm correct but I think I recall the backspacing on the new Machete beadlocks being mentioned as something like 4.5"? Those Dynaloc stub hubs on Evo 1 look to be almost out as far as the beadlock ring.

Ddays
02-02-2016, 06:20 PM
Well.......the KMC Machetes in this photo are sort of never going to be available to the general public. ;) But I know what you are saying, when KMC begins producing the forged version of this wheel then yes, they will have been worth the wait. EVO1's Gold KMC's are billet milled custom pieces produced for the KMC team guys just for the Baja 1000. Badass wheel nonetheless :thumb:


He's back! Those wheels on Evo 1 for the Baja 500 look absolutely awesome. Drew had told me to wait a few months before ordering my wheels if I wanted to maybe go with something new and get a set of the new Machete beadlocks, but I ultimately went with the Slabs so I could have the 3.5" backspacing. PLus I REALLY like the look of the black Slabs with the bare aluminum ring. Don't know if I'm correct but I think I recall the backspacing on the new Machete beadlocks being mentioned as something like 4.5"? Those Dynaloc stub hubs on Evo 1 look to be almost out as far as the beadlock ring.

Do either of you know what the coating on those Machetes is? Is it a transparent powder coat or are they anodized?

geberhard
02-02-2016, 07:00 PM
Hmm over the last three years I haven't added a gas tank skid, relocated my evap, don't have a sector shaft brace and haven't "beefed up" my steering area. I've had no issues in the rubicon. Maybe you know something I don't.

Maybe you are taking the easy lines :D JKidding, but honestly the failures we are seeing on the trail on JK's and rigs we towed out of trails have been on the stock housings (front and rear), and people running 35" or larger tires on stock steering components and without support on the sector shaft. All of the stock stuff hanging unprotected underneath is pretty vulnerable, so that is an area I would invest my money first before swapping a bumper, my $02. cents

We took 4 Jk's out as well with broken sector shafts in less than a 8 month period. For one guy we jimmy rigged a winch on one side and pinched his other break line. Stomp on break, steer one way, use winch to steer the other way, fun stuff ;)

For the OP, good read here, also shows what happened with Eddie's sector shaft at guess... Rubicon trail:

http://project-jk.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=322774

http://wayalife.com/showthread.php?3029-Rubicon-Run-9-22-2012-EVO1-s-Final-Run-Through-the-Old-Little-Sluice

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Pic at the Rubicon last year, I have seen two more since (one spun the pass side only). This was on a Stock Rubi rear (had a G2 cover). The rosetta welds broke and the axle had a dream come true that it was a portal axle ;) We were pretty surprised the rear shaft and t-case were not impacted.

OverlanderJK
02-02-2016, 10:28 PM
Maybe you are taking the easy lines :D JKidding, but honestly the failures we are seeing on the trail on JK's and rigs we towed out of trails have been on the stock housings (front and rear), and people running 35" or larger tires on stock steering components and without support on the sector shaft. All of the stock stuff hanging unprotected underneath is pretty vulnerable, so that is an area I would invest my money first before swapping a bumper, my $02. cents

We took 4 Jk's out as well with broken sector shafts in less than a 8 month period. For one guy we jimmy rigged a winch on one side and pinched his other break line. Stomp on break, steer one way, use winch to steer the other way, fun stuff ;)

For the OP, good read here, also shows what happened with Eddie's sector shaft at guess... Rubicon trail:

http://wayalife.com/showthread.php?3029-Rubicon-Run-9-22-2012-EVO1-s-Final-Run-Through-the-Old-Little-Sluice

Pic at the Rubicon last year, I have seen two more since (one spun the pass side only). This was on a Stock Rubi rear (had a G2 cover). The rosetta welds broke and the axle had a dream come true that it was a portal axle ;) We were pretty surprised the rear shaft and t-case were not impacted.

Who is we?

scrhino
02-02-2016, 10:41 PM
Eddie what have you heard? I love my Powerplant, but would love to know beforehand of any potential problems...

I am currently having problems with my Powerplant. Something to do with the compressor part. I'll let everyone know when I know.

wayoflife
02-02-2016, 11:01 PM
For the OP, good read here, also shows what happened with Eddie's sector shaft at guess... Rubicon trail:

http://project-jk.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=322774

http://wayalife.com/showthread.php?3029-Rubicon-Run-9-22-2012-EVO1-s-Final-Run-Through-the-Old-Little-Sluice

To be fair, this is a DROPPED PITMAN ARM, something I have long since stopped running but had racked up well over 100,000 miles on. If you're running one, a sector shaft brace "might" help but from what I've seen, probably not. Of course, I'm just a mall crawler so what would I know. I still don't run a sector shaft brace.

I too would like to know who you're referring to when you say "we"?

wayoflife
02-02-2016, 11:03 PM
Eddie what have you heard? I love my Powerplant, but would love to know beforehand of any potential problems...

A handful of my friends who all have PowerPlants have had issues with the compressor. A few have had problems with the winch itself but then, the two are to a degree, tied together. I should note that I have a very old one and haven't had these problems.


I am currently having problems with my Powerplant. Something to do with the compressor part. I'll let everyone know when I know.

Quite a few people I know have problems with it as well.

geberhard
02-02-2016, 11:12 PM
Who is we?

Adam an Eddie hi, group of friends and wheelers and our Jeep club (we are in the SF Bay Area). We do several runs in the Northern CA area, we also wheel with other jeepers and several clubs and open to anyone, trail clean ups and maintenance etc. I think my last 6-8 trips involved getting someone out of the trail one way or another. About 10 days ago an Oakland fireman with his wife and2 smalls kids got stuck in the Strawberry area (JK would not go into 4 wheel), and message went to the group and a couple guys got him extracted.

As far as the broken sec shafts, I will try finding pics. The guy with the rigged winch had a stock height pitman on his JK. Either way I would recommend someone on the group carrying a spare (and seals) and knowing how to do the swap.

To the OP, if yo are coming from across the US, make sure you bring spares on stuff and split between yourselves, because shit will break. Also get a hold of a couple local guys or groups here and have some contact info handy.

Cheers,

Gui

jorgelrod
02-03-2016, 11:57 AM
A handful of my friends who all have PowerPlants have had issues with the compressor. A few have had problems with the winch itself but then, the two are to a degree, tied together. I should note that I have a very old one and haven't had these problems.



Quite a few people I know have problems with it as well.

I'll keep an eye out. Mine has two years on the jeep and I've used the compressor a fair bit more than the winch. I hope mine lives the rest of it's days trouble free...

GCM 2
02-03-2016, 05:18 PM
Do either of you know what the coating on those Machetes is? Is it a transparent powder coat or are they anodized?

Powder coated.


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piginajeep
02-03-2016, 05:23 PM
Powder coated.


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I really want these on my jk8, minus the gold :)

catahoula
02-03-2016, 05:30 PM
Powder coated.


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Those wheels are sweet! I would look soooo bad ass on the some of my favorite trails!

r2fasani
02-03-2016, 06:45 PM
Powder coated.


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Dang, those wheels look even better close up! I love the gold on EVO1 too.

Reaper
02-03-2016, 06:57 PM
Thanks for the help guys. Still trying to process some of the stuff since im pretty new at adding protection to the underside since down here in florida we have a lot of mud but not rocks hahahaah. Those wheels look absolutely badass BTW!

DWiggles
02-03-2016, 07:07 PM
Thanks for the help guys. Still trying to process some of the stuff since im pretty new at adding protection to the underside since down here in florida we have a lot of mud but not rocks hahahaah. Those wheels look absolutely badass BTW!

:thumb:

general thread consensus:

add an oil pan skid, and an auto trans skid if your jeep is automatic to your current list
Take your list and maybe shop around/do a bit more research on specific brands & models before spending the money. But your basically there...

Oh, and Mel's Beadlock wheels! :eek: It wouldn't be an enjoyable trip to the Rubicon without Mel's wheels ;)

geberhard
02-03-2016, 08:58 PM
Sweet looking wheels! Any pics on how thy are faring after meeting some rocks (i.e. damage to allen bolt threads)?

AllAmericanInfidel
02-04-2016, 01:51 AM
Powder coated.


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I'm not much for bling on my Jeep, but good lord those wheels are sweet! How long till we see EvoJeep running them? Lol!

Ddays
02-04-2016, 11:48 AM
Powder coated.


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Thanks GCM. That's what I was hoping/afraid you were gonna say.... ring..ring "Hello, Mr. Powder coater?"

GCM 2
02-04-2016, 03:28 PM
I really want these on my jk8, minus the gold :)

These are definitely my favorites from KMC (formerly ATX). Your JK8 would look great wearing these


I'm not much for bling on my Jeep, but good lord those wheels are sweet! How long till we see EvoJeep running them? Lol!

Probably will not see them on EVOJEEP. I like the shallower backspacing of the Slabs, gives me less issues with front tire rubbing. However, a set of Machetes could end up on the Super Duty tow rig [emoji12]

highoctane
02-04-2016, 04:02 PM
These are definitely my favorites from KMC (formerly ATX). Your JK8 would look great wearing these



Probably will not see them on EVOJEEP. I like the shallower backspacing of the Slabs, gives me less issues with front tire rubbing. However, a set of Machetes could end up on the Super Duty tow rig [emoji12]

Those Machete wheels would definitely look awesome on the new Super Duty.

Reaper
02-10-2016, 02:20 PM
:thumb:

general thread consensus:

add an oil pan skid, and an auto trans skid if your jeep is automatic to your current list
Take your list and maybe shop around/do a bit more research on specific brands & models before spending the money. But your basically there...

Oh, and Mel's Beadlock wheels! :eek: It wouldn't be an enjoyable trip to the Rubicon without Mel's wheels ;)

Hey guys,
Was trying to find the right skid setup that everyone was talking about. Im not trying to push any brand or anything on here, but Ive been aving a hard time finding an automatic transmision skid. I only finding things like this that say oil pan and transmission skid.

http://www.quadratec.com/products/12065_3X30_PG.htm

Is that what i need or do i also need the transfer case skid as well?

http://www.quadratec.com/products/12065_3X00_PG.htm

Reaper
02-10-2016, 02:25 PM
Also Ive been reading about the evap canister being vunerable. do i need a skid for this?

Ddays
02-10-2016, 02:28 PM
here's the tranny skid on EVO's website. I have this along with the oil pan & EVAP skids on my workbench. Not sure you really need the TC skid....

http://www.evomfg.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=35_36_37&product_id=202

Benito
02-10-2016, 04:41 PM
Also Ive been reading about the evap canister being vunerable. do i need a skid for this?

I don't think you need a skid, as it already has one, but there is a mod to move it more towards the outside of the vehicle. I don't think the issue is the canister getting damaged but at flex your drive shaft will come into contact with skid and the skid will rip the drive shaft boot, ask me how I know. So I would say just shift the skid/canister away from the drive shaft.

naysjp
03-13-2016, 04:04 AM
here's the tranny skid on EVO's website. I have this along with the oil pan & EVAP skids on my workbench. Not sure you really need the TC skid....

http://www.evomfg.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=35_36_37&product_id=202

So you didn't get the transmission skid bar I see. I already dented the passenger side that it rubbed until I put washers under it to stop the rubbing so I am probably going to get the whole protect skid system that is $399. I did the pumpkin skids when I had a TJ, do you guys suggest to bother with those again? I was just wondering if they mattered or should I get the poison spider covers.