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frenchjk
03-17-2016, 07:21 PM
Just hit the Fan:

The move may be a key step in the advance toward driverless cars

Automakers and federal officials will announce a deal Thursday to make automatic braking standard in most cars by 2022, according to reports.

The deal, reported before the official announcement by Reuters, will make some exceptions for some cars with older electronic systems and manual transmissions. The automakers party to the agreement represent nearly all of the U.S. consumer auto market. Automatic braking systems use various technology to detect when a car has come too close to other objects and reacts if a driver does not.

The move—to be announced by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration and automakers—may be a key step in the advance toward driverless cars.


NHTSA is going bonkers as usual........wonder if we will see such BS turn up in Europe?????:naw::naw::naw:

DWiggles
03-17-2016, 07:27 PM
Just hit the Fan:

The move may be a key step in the advance toward driverless cars

Automakers and federal officials will announce a deal Thursday to make automatic braking standard in most cars by 2022, according to reports.

The deal, reported before the official announcement by Reuters, will make some exceptions for some cars with older electronic systems and manual transmissions. The automakers party to the agreement represent nearly all of the U.S. consumer auto market. Automatic braking systems use various technology to detect when a car has come too close to other objects and reacts if a driver does not.

The move—to be announced by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration and automakers—may be a key step in the advance toward driverless cars.


NHTSA is going bonkers as usual........wonder if we will see such BS turn up in Europe?????:naw::naw::naw:

This is really sad to see, Im sure there will be a button to "disable" it just like the current button to "disable" traction control... it will probably work the same as the traction control button also; turn on a light on the dash, but still interfere with driving :doh:

why not a DRIVER cell disable system? so you cant text and drive? how about that!? why RUIN driving for the rest of us?? or just let natural selection take its course... :yup:

longarmwj
03-17-2016, 07:28 PM
Some Chevrolet models already have this. As well as forward collision alert, lane departure warning which will auto-correct your driving, speed warnings, blind spot detection, etc.

In fact the new 2016 Malibu can park itself. It can back into and parallel park. We were playing with it at the dealership a couple of weeks ago. Its actually kind of a cool system.

WJCO
03-17-2016, 07:41 PM
One more step closer to turning humans into machines. Heaven forbid that we go back to critical thinking and not being lazy like we've done for hundreds of years.

notnalc68
03-17-2016, 07:55 PM
One more step closer to turning humans into machines. Heaven forbid that we go back to critical thinking and not being lazy like we've done for hundreds of years.

That sux. I guess we can still mechanic on old beaters & keep them going. That's one reason I was looking at a v8 WJ. Mostly for a road vehicle.

Ddays
03-17-2016, 08:05 PM
How is this NOT surprising to anyone that drives more than 2 miles a day? There are so many fucking retarded morons clogging the roads that this was inevitable!
Check out the "what pisses me off thread" and see that probably 90% of the complaints there are due to idiotic drivers doing something stupid. What I'd like to see is some kind of disabling device for phones once you get in your car. How many times do you see the 'text swerve' every day?

2nd.gunman
03-17-2016, 08:07 PM
There not removing you ability to use the brakes. These systems are just a backup that make it very hard for the driver to rear end the car in front of them in traffic. Most of the next generation of driver support systems are aimed at driving the car for you in situations like heavy traffic where you probably don't want to be driving anyway.

Imagine being able to go to the pub and then tell your car to drive you home when you've had too many

notnalc68
03-17-2016, 08:14 PM
How is this NOT surprising to anyone that drives more than 2 miles a day? There are so many fucking retarded morons clogging the roads that this was inevitable!
Check out the "what pisses me off thread" and see that probably 90% of the complaints there are due to idiotic drivers doing something stupid. What I'd like to see is some kind of disabling device for phones once you get in your car. How many times do you see the 'text swerve' every day?

True. More accidents are undoubtedly caused by cell phones, than alcohol, but you get a $25.00 ticket in Mississippi for cell phone use while driving. Get a DUI, and they'll crucify you.

Ddays
03-17-2016, 08:18 PM
There not removing you ability to use the brakes. These systems are just a backup that make it very hard for the driver to rear end the car in front of them in traffic. Most of the next generation of driver support systems are aimed at driving the car for you in situations like heavy traffic where you probably don't want to be driving anyway.

Imagine being able to go to the pub and then tell your car to drive you home when you've had too many

No thank you for any of that stuff. Can't even do decent donuts anymore...

SilverBack
03-17-2016, 08:24 PM
This isn't about not knowing how to drive! It about people who think they know how to drive doing everything but driving while propelling a vehicle down the road. Human error coupled with overconfidence or improper training is by far the biggest reason for something like this. If humans we're capable of not being distracted, zoning out or shirking their responsibilities we wouldn't need it... I for one dig it as I have been rear-ended in all 3 accidents I've had in my 30 yrs of driving! (Never hit anyone.)

mudmobeeler
03-17-2016, 08:24 PM
Can't even do decent donuts anymore...

No kiddin, pisses me off. :rock:

notnalc68
03-17-2016, 08:27 PM
Screw that shit. It will make cars more expensive, and more boring.

Ddays
03-17-2016, 08:33 PM
This isn't about not knowing how to drive! It about people who think they know how to drive doing everything but driving while propelling a vehicle down the road. Human error coupled with overconfidence or improper training is by far the biggest reason for something like this. If humans we're capable of not being distracted, zoning out or shirking their responsibilities we wouldn't need it... I for one dig it as I have been rear-ended in all 3 accidents I've had in my 30 yrs of driving! (Never hit anyone.)

I hear where you're coming from but that argument sounds a lot like how every other governmental intrusion in our lives got started....:icon_crazy:

SilverBack
03-17-2016, 08:36 PM
I hear where you're coming from but that argument sounds a lot like how every other governmental intrusion in our lives got started....:icon_crazy:

Like those pesky seat belts ... LoL
Most high end autos already have or offer this as an accident avoidance feature and/or
as part of adaptive cruise control.

notnalc68
03-17-2016, 08:44 PM
I hear where you're coming from but that argument sounds a lot like how every other governmental intrusion in our lives got started....:icon_crazy:

You remind me of me!

Moochie
03-17-2016, 08:46 PM
Some Chevrolet models already have this. As well as forward collision alert, lane departure warning which will auto-correct your driving, speed warnings, blind spot detection, etc.

In fact the new 2016 Malibu can park itself. It can back into and parallel park. We were playing with it at the dealership a couple of weeks ago. Its actually kind of a cool system.

I have it all on my Cherokee. It is part of a optional upgrade that I wanted. It is all totally configurable to each drivers needs.

Ddays
03-17-2016, 08:47 PM
Most high end autos already have or offer this as an accident avoidance feature and/or
as part of adaptive cruise control.

If someone needs this feature in order to not kill themselves while driving then they are a dumbass that doesn't pay enough attention to their surroundings.
Can it be helpful in certain situations, yes. But I sure as shit do not want to be stuck in some goddam Google goobermobile watching the trees pass me by as I'm shepherded
to and from my destination like a nice little citizen...

Seatbelt comment hardly an apt comparison.

Edit: As long as these systems are optional and you WANT them, then hey, who would have an issue with that. I just don't like HAVING to get this on my vehicle
or the thought of HAVING to use a driverless vehicle.

WJCO
03-17-2016, 08:48 PM
This isn't about not knowing how to drive! It about people who think they know how to drive doing everything but driving while propelling a vehicle down the road. Human error coupled with overconfidence or improper training is by far the biggest reason for something like this. If humans we're capable of not being distracted, zoning out or shirking their responsibilities we wouldn't need it... I for one dig it as I have been rear-ended in all 3 accidents I've had in my 30 yrs of driving! (Never hit anyone.)

I agree that human error is the problem, but this is just enabling it more. People are already too lazy and dependent. I work in the automotive warranty industry and see electronic part failures multiple times a day. I can already see the module for this system failing while someone is just kicking back in their car not paying attention and then causing an accident. I'm not trusting my life with an electronic part.


Screw that shit. It will make cars more expensive, and more boring.

Yep.


I hear where you're coming from but that argument sounds a lot like how every other governmental intrusion in our lives got started....:icon_crazy:

Yep.

SilverBack
03-17-2016, 08:55 PM
If someone needs this feature in order to not kill themselves while driving then they are a dumbass that doesn't pay enough attention to their surroundings.
Can it be helpful in certain situations, yes. But I sure as shit do not want to be stuck in some goddam Google goobermobile watching the trees pass me by as I'm shepherded
to and from my destination like a nice little citizen...

Seatbelt comment hardly an apt comparison.

Edit: As long as these systems are optional and you WANT them, then hey, who would have an issue with that. I just don't like HAVING to get this on my vehicle
or the thought of HAVING to use a driverless vehicle.

I agree 100%with this ^^^^

I think maybe driving an automobile should be privilege again rather than the right is seems to have become. I can remember once while getting my DL renewed hearing this woman hooting and whopping it up. Turned out that she finally passed her test after 14 tries. That scared the hell out of me to think folks like that make up a high percentage of drivers!

notnalc68
03-17-2016, 08:55 PM
To err is human. To make stuff cost five times as much, trying to stop it, is government.

mudmobeeler
03-17-2016, 09:49 PM
193512

10 characters.

Ddays
03-17-2016, 10:45 PM
193512

10 characters.

^^ Bingo!!

2nd.gunman
03-18-2016, 12:03 AM
If someone needs this feature in order to not kill themselves while driving then they are a dumbass that doesn't pay enough attention to their surroundings.
Can it be helpful in certain situations, yes. But I sure as shit do not want to be stuck in some goddam Google goobermobile watching the trees pass me by as I'm shepherded
to and from my destination like a nice little citizen...

Seatbelt comment hardly an apt comparison.

Edit: As long as these systems are optional and you WANT them, then hey, who would have an issue with that. I just don't like HAVING to get this on my vehicle
or the thought of HAVING to use a driverless vehicle.

It's not about them killing themselves. It's about stopping them from killing the people around them. The amount of fatal crashes I've been involved in investigating where someone's inattention caused someone else's death is quite scary.

DWiggles
03-18-2016, 01:20 AM
It's not about them killing themselves. It's about stopping them from killing the people around them. The amount of fatal crashes I've been involved in investigating where someone's inattention caused someone else's death is quite scary.

And auto brakes will encourage people to pay MORE attention?? :thinking: doubt it!

Ddays
03-18-2016, 01:29 AM
It's not about them killing themselves. It's about stopping them from killing the people around them. The amount of fatal crashes I've been involved in investigating where someone's inattention caused someone else's death is quite scary.

So let's protect everybody from themselves, right? Lets get rid of guns, knives, ladders, spray paint and Sudafed while we're at it.
Look, I get your point, but I want to be able to turn this shit off f I want to. Putting a band aid on the problem isn't solving anything. The problem is cell phone use
in moving vehicles and inattentive drivers. Treat these violations like drunk driving. I honestly think this a more widespread problem than drunk driving.

ScoobyCarolanNC
03-18-2016, 01:34 AM
No thank you for any of that stuff. Can't even do decent donuts anymore...

Yup. I get the appeal of the whole thing though. There are times I wish I could switch my brain off instead of being in a constant state of anxiety about every other driver. Not only that, it's one more thing to drive the price up. You know what was one of the highest selling points for me on my jeep? Analog knobs & switches. I had a Ford Explorer with a touch screen & touch sensitive bumps instead of knobs & switches. It sucked ass. I realized it had gone too far for me & I wanted a reliable modern 4x4 that I understood.

dunstan74
03-18-2016, 01:36 AM
Imagine being able to go to the pub and then tell your car to drive you home when you've had too many

Your onto something here!!

2nd.gunman
03-18-2016, 01:57 AM
So let's protect everybody from themselves, right? Lets get rid of guns, knives, ladders, spray paint and Sudafed while we're at it.
Look, I get your point, but I want to be able to turn this shit off f I want to. Putting a band aid on the problem isn't solving anything. The problem is cell phone use
in moving vehicles and inattentive drivers. Treat these violations like drunk driving. I honestly think this a more widespread problem than drunk driving.

I agree with you but it really isn't the same thing it's not stopping you from driving. The current automatic braking systems only apply if they see a potential incident and identify your not going react. As soon as you do react it overrides the system. If you do anything at all like turn the wheel, press the brake or accelerate it will over ride. You don't need to turn it off because it's like ABS, you don't even know it's there until you really need it.

Some of the new driver aids are a pita like lane departure warning and blind spot assist but this isn't one of them

Frogmech
03-18-2016, 02:28 AM
Immagine automatic braking in an off-road situation. Every time you attempt to hit a large obstacle the damn thing thinks you're about to be in an accident and locks the brakes! That would be quite challenging, to say the least.

Exodus Jeeps
03-18-2016, 02:56 AM
Imagine being able to go to the pub and then tell your car to drive you home when you've had too many

My wife and I test drove a Tesla not to long ago and used the autopilot feature. The technology is there already, but I'm sure there's some legal roadblock keeping us from it now.

Ddays
03-18-2016, 10:18 AM
Your onto something here!!

Yup, here in the states it's called a C-A-B
Yellow ones all over the place.

Look, I know its coming and I don't want to sound like Don Quixote here, but I do not want driverless vehicles. I LIKE driving myself.
As far as auto brakes and such, just gimme a kill switch for them and ill be ok.

Wethy
03-18-2016, 01:37 PM
True. More accidents are undoubtedly caused by cell phones, than alcohol, but you get a $25.00 ticket in Mississippi for cell phone use while driving. Get a DUI, and they'll crucify you.

It's crazy how it's only a 25.00 dollar fine for you. Here in Ontario it's a minimum 500-ish dollar fine and 3 demerit points. And people still do it then complain they got ticketed for it!

MTG
03-18-2016, 01:37 PM
Lol at some of the comments.

I'll just put this here: http://wayalife.com/showthread.php?35042-Humans-need-not-apply

Ddays
03-18-2016, 02:01 PM
Lol at some of the comments.

I'll just put this here: http://wayalife.com/showthread.php?35042-Humans-need-not-apply

So it looks like we need to kill all of the software engineers before its too late? :idontknow:
Just kidding, just kidding. Now I'm afraid some bot somewhere will read my post and put me on a watch list..:shock:

Uber is building a vehicle tech center here in Pittsburgh as we speak. More than likely in conjunction with Carnegie Mellon Univ. I know driverless vehicles are coming.
Just not thrilled at all..