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PilotJK
03-15-2017, 06:26 PM
Hi,

I'm planning to buy a trailer to haul my Jeep in the next few weeks. I've read a few different techniques in securing it to the trailer. Such as... around the axles, frame, or D-rings. What's your preferred method? Also, any other suggestion will be appreciated.:thankyou:

BananaJeep
03-15-2017, 06:40 PM
Isn't there a new "Tow Rig" forum section? This belongs over there :)

PilotJK
03-15-2017, 07:02 PM
Isn't there a new "Tow Rig" forum section? This belongs over there :)

I didn't see it. I will look again. thanks

Sheaffadelic
03-15-2017, 07:04 PM
Its just the tow rig show thread...

http://wayalife.com/showthread.php?43510-Welcome-to-the-Tow-Rig-Forum!

PilotJK
03-15-2017, 07:06 PM
Its just the tow rig show thread...

http://wayalife.com/showthread.php?43510-Welcome-to-the-Tow-Rig-Forum!

Thanks... I should have scrolled down further. sorry..

Sheaffadelic
03-15-2017, 07:07 PM
Thanks... I should have scrolled down further. sorry..

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Tumbleweed
03-16-2017, 01:43 AM
A few points to ponder.
1: Get a bigger trailer than you think you need. 20' minimum.
2: Get 5,000 lb axles. Better brakes. Higher weight capacity.
3: Get brakes on both axles. Safety first.
4: Consider a deck over. Wider axles & tires might require it.

2Cross
03-16-2017, 02:25 AM
A. Outlet of points to ponder.
1: Get a bigger trailer than you think you need. 20' minimum.
2: Get 5,000 lb axles. Better brakes. Higher weight capacity.
3: Get brakes on both axles. Safety first.
4: Consider a deck over. Wider axles & tires might require it.

I agree with the above.
Get a big trailer. Get strong axles.
I like D-rings to the axles but do Y straps over the tires. I think D-rings are better because when you stop the rig doesn't 'roll' forward (an inch or two). Plus with the D-rings to the axles you still have the vehicles suspension to absorb some of the bumps.



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2Cross
03-16-2017, 02:28 AM
Here is my trailer. 30'. Drive over fenders.
16,500 max capacity.
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Shown with Y straps on the JK


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RSQCON
03-16-2017, 05:22 AM
One of the best methods I've seen is to drive your vehicle onto the trailer and leave it running. With the vehicle safely in park get out and place a strap around each end of the front axle tube and hook the other end to your trailer d rings. Now get back in and put the vehicle in reverse so that you are placing a load on those straps. Now you can turn the vehicle off and go place a strap on each end of the rear axle tube and connect to the trailer d rings. Last step is to wratchet down the rear straps.

Of course you might change the sequence depending on if the vehicle is backed onto the trailer. Once you figure out how you want the vehicle oriented on the trailer for the appropriate tongue weight you can order custom straps so that only the rear straps need to be adjustable.

JamesCo
03-16-2017, 06:34 AM
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Guys, strapping down Jeeps or any vehicle isn't rocket science. We do it everyday with up to 9 Jeeps on a load. We use wheel straps. You can use them with a ratchet also. Goes over the tire. You could use D-rings, cross chains, deck holes or tie down plates. We have as little as 4 inches between bumpers and they doesn't move. I would suggest using D-rings on a pull or gooseneck, I did on my gooseneck. Just figure out where you want the D-rings and either weld or bolt them down. Lasso straps (Y-straps) suck ass. All manufacturers will not allow us to use them for a reason, they don't hold very well and also can damage the wheel.


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Strike Force Zebra
03-16-2017, 01:39 PM
I use MACCS custom tie downs. Go check them out


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PilotJK
03-16-2017, 03:03 PM
I agree with the above.
Get a big trailer. Get strong axles.
I like D-rings to the axles but do Y straps over the tires. I think D-rings are better because when you stop the rig doesn't 'roll' forward (an inch or two). Plus with the D-rings to the axles you still have the vehicles suspension to absorb some of the bumps.



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Thanks, I was looking into a 14ft trailer but changed my mind. The most I can do is 16ft due to the limited space on my driveway. D-rings are on my want list too. I was thinking of strapping the axles and additional straps to the bumper. You think that's over kill?

Someone else on this thread said Mac's Straps.... I'm planning on that too...

Any opinions on the below link for Sure Trac?
https://www.sure-trac.com/products.php?trailerId=14

jeffj
03-16-2017, 03:35 PM
Thanks, I was looking into a 14ft trailer but changed my mind. The most I can do is 16ft due to the limited space on my driveway. D-rings are on my want list too. I was thinking of strapping the axles and additional straps to the bumper. You think that's over kill?

Someone else on this thread said Mac's Straps.... I'm planning on that too...

Any opinions on the below link for Sure Trac?
https://www.sure-trac.com/products.php?trailerId=14

16ft should be fine for a 2 door, that's what I used on my tj. I have always hooked to the d-rings and kept straps at 45 degree angle to pull the jeep down to the trailer and have never had an issue. But with my new jeep I used macs axel straps too and I'm glad I did, because my new jeep has a lot more suspension travel and one of the straps hooked at the d-rings came loose coming back from Texas. 248406


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2Cross
03-16-2017, 04:54 PM
[. Lasso straps (Y-straps) suck ass. All manufacturers will not allow us to use them for a reason, they don't hold very well and also can damage the wheel.


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I don't like the lasso either. But it's quick and easy for a short tow to the trailhead


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RSQCON
03-16-2017, 06:29 PM
There are lots of ways to secure a vehicle but I would never recommend using the d rings on a bumper as the primary restraint. All it's takes is one good bump and the suspension can cycle enough to create slack in the strap causing the load to either shift or become dislodged. That is why I recommend the axle strap method. Now if you want to back up your axle straps with another set going to your Jeep d rings that's plenty good. Overkill? Maybe but if it keeps you from being distracted going down the road then go for it.

jeffj
03-16-2017, 07:26 PM
There are lots of ways to secure a vehicle but I would never recommend using the d rings on a bumper as the primary restraint. All it's takes is one good bump and the suspension can cycle enough to create slack in the strap causing the load to either shift or become dislodged. That is why I recommend the axle strap method. Now if you want to back up your axle straps with another set going to your Jeep d rings that's plenty good. Overkill? Maybe but if it keeps you from being distracted going down the road then go for it.

Yes I agree that the d-ring shouldn't be the primary, but the one advantage to having it as secondary is it keeps your suspension from cycling while on the trailer, which could be several thousand miles.


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PilotJK
03-16-2017, 08:25 PM
I just got back from 5 different dealers. Its amazing how differently some businesses price the same exact trailer. Anyways, thanks to everyone for helping a brother out with all your input. :thumb::thumb::thumb:

PilotJK
03-16-2017, 09:37 PM
16ft should be fine for a 2 door, that's what I used on my tj. I have always hooked to the d-rings and kept straps at 45 degree angle to pull the jeep down to the trailer and have never had an issue. But with my new jeep I used macs axel straps too and I'm glad I did, because my new jeep has a lot more suspension travel and one of the straps hooked at the d-rings came loose coming back from Texas. 248406


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Are your trailer's fenders removable? I was wondering if you have any issues clearing them?


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jeffj
03-16-2017, 10:05 PM
It will not fit with my new rig. I have to run one tire up and over finder. I was worried if it would take the weight but it did. I will probably reinforce finder. Stock width axels and 3.5 back spacing it would fit, barely but it fit.


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Tumbleweed
03-17-2017, 12:18 AM
I had a SureTrac but sold it since I got rid of the ATVs. Very nice trailer & they will work with you if you want any upgrades, i.e. axles, suspension, etc.
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f29/Jaxom44/RRB%20w%20Windrock%204-15/IMG_3542.jpg (http://s44.photobucket.com/user/Jaxom44/media/RRB%20w%20Windrock%204-15/IMG_3542.jpg.html)

PilotJK
03-17-2017, 01:56 AM
A. Outlet of points to ponder.
1: Get a bigger trailer than you think you need. 20' minimum.
2: Get 5,000 lb axles. Better brakes. Higher weight capacity.
3: Get brakes on both axles. Safety first.
4: Consider a deck over. Wider axles & tires might require it.

Thanks! I didn't realize my Jeep is too wide. I'm gonna get a deck over. [emoji106]


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RSQCON
03-17-2017, 02:07 AM
Yes I agree that the d-ring shouldn't be the primary, but the one advantage to having it as secondary is it keeps your suspension from cycling while on the trailer, which could be several thousand miles.
Why are you concerned about your suspension cycling?


I just got back from 5 different dealers. Its amazing how differently some businesses price the same exact trailer. Anyways, thanks to everyone for helping a brother out with all your input. :thumb::thumb::thumb:
What trailer did you ask about and what were the different quotes you received? Also be careful with a deck over as they sit quite a bit higher. Might look into something with drive over fenders that is 102" wide like a PJ B6.

2Cross
03-17-2017, 02:22 AM
Why are you concerned about your suspension cycling?


What trailer did you ask about and what were the different quotes you received? Also be careful with a deck over as they sit quite a bit higher. Might look into something with drive over fenders that is 102" wide like a PJ B6.

I agree with rsqcon. ^^^
I think you want the suspension cycling.
Drive over fenders are the way to go.



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jeffj
03-17-2017, 02:34 PM
[QUOTE=RSQCON;865593]Why are you concerned about your suspension cycling?


I'm really not that concerned, I'm not really panning on trailering my new rig, but my reasoning behind doing it that way is that keeping the straps at 45 degree angle is that it pulls the jeep down on the trailer. And with it not cycling seems to be a bonus, because if you are going to trailer your rig and you have 12,000$ worth of coil overs and bypass shocks it seems like it would save the oil and where and tear on other parts too. I am not an engineer and have no type of data, but in my dirt bike days a friend of mine used to sag the rear of his bike down so it would not cycle. He told me to grab my oil reservoir, that was not tied down and it was hot from going up and down and his of course was not hot at all. Just my 2 cents.

Baja
03-17-2017, 04:45 PM
I agree with the above.
Get a big trailer. Get strong axles.
I like D-rings to the axles but do Y straps over the tires. I think D-rings are better because when you stop the rig doesn't 'roll' forward (an inch or two). Plus with the D-rings to the axles you still have the vehicles suspension to absorb some of the bumps.



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This! But the most important reason to tie off to axles and to let the Jeeps suspension move, is not letting the straps move. If you tie of to frame, the suspension will still move a bit and it will eventually loosen your straps [emoji50]


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JamesCo
03-17-2017, 07:49 PM
I don't like the lasso either. But it's quick and easy for a short tow to the trailhead


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Well they do work. I used them when I hauled travel trailers and cargo trailers. They just allow it to move if you stop to hard. But for what your doing your setup is great.


JamesCo

holliewood61
03-18-2017, 05:32 AM
I use an 18 foot 3.5 ton big tex to haul mine. I always strap to the axles for reasons already stated. The axles move very little compared to strapping to the bumpers. Another thing to look into is to get a good quality hitch and weight distribution bars. The bars will reduce squat on your tow rig and with the bars you wont unload the front end of your tow rig if you have to get onto the brakes hard.

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PilotJK
03-25-2017, 09:00 PM
Why are you concerned about your suspension cycling?


What trailer did you ask about and what were the different quotes you received? Also be careful with a deck over as they sit quite a bit higher. Might look into something with drive over fenders that is 102" wide like a PJ B6.

I wound up getting a 16ft Sure-Trac with removable fender for $300 cheaper than the competing dealers. I measured twice and my Jeep will fit.

RSQCON
03-25-2017, 11:55 PM
Congrats.

I've asked 4+ dealers for a quote on a PB B6 102"w x 22' and I'm getting quotes for $8-10k. Granted I have anywhere from $1000 to $1500 in upgrade but still seems a little pricey.

13_gecko_rubi
03-26-2017, 12:03 AM
Congrats.

I've asked 4+ dealers for a quote on a PB B6 102"w x 22' and I'm getting quotes for $8-10k. Granted I have anywhere from $1000 to $1500 in upgrade but still seems a little pricey.
That's crazy. Mine was just over 4 new with 5k axles in 15. What other upgrades are u getting?

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RSQCON
03-26-2017, 12:16 AM
Here's the thing I need a trailer long enough to fit a crew cab long bed truck so a 9900gvw trailer won't cut it. So that's why I'm looking at something 22' long with a minimum 14,000gvw.

Here are the specs on the trailer I'm looking at:
PJ B6 Superwide Buggy Hauler
6" channel frame
22' long
102" wide
3' 6" dovetail w/ mini monster ramps
Dexter 7k torsion axles w/ electric brakes
welded D rings
winch plate
tan powdercoat w/ black wheels
spare tire w/ mount
tongue mounted tool box

Think that's it. Best quote I've got was $8200. The upgrade to 8k oil bath torsion axles put the trailer close to $10k.

Tumbleweed
03-26-2017, 02:11 AM
I don't believe I would want torsion axles on a car or truck hauling trailer.
Here's my reasons.
1) Because a typical spring suspension will equalize the cargo weight between the 2 axles. Torsion axles will not.
2) The vehicle you are hauling on the trailer will have its own suspension. Therefore the rougher ride of a leaf sprung suspension will not harm the cargo vehicle. Dexter Axle makes a cushioned equalizer that will smooth out the bumps a bit. It's greaseable, too. AND very heavy duty shackles.
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f29/Jaxom44/Equalizer.png

RSQCON
03-26-2017, 03:56 AM
I am dead set on torsion axles. They are the equivalent of having independent suspension and will provide a smoother ride than leaf springs will.

2Cross
03-26-2017, 04:01 AM
I don't believe I would want torsion axles on a car or truck hauling trailer.
Here's my reasons.
1) Because a typical spring suspension will equalize the cargo weight between the 2 axles. Torsion axles will not.
2) The vehicle you are hauling on the trailer will have its own suspension. Therefore the rougher ride of a leaf sprung suspension will not harm the cargo vehicle. Dexter Axle makes a cushioned equalizer that will smooth out the bumps a bit. It's greaseable, too. AND very heavy duty shackles.
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f29/Jaxom44/Equalizer.png

I agree with Tumbleweed. Nice explanation


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Tumbleweed
03-27-2017, 03:16 PM
I am dead set on torsion axles. They are the equivalent of having independent suspension and will provide a smoother ride than leaf springs will.

Your money, your trailer.
After you've driven the trailer and stopped for a pit stop, put your hand on the sidewall of the front, then rear tire. Feel the difference? Your bearings and brakes will be different temps too. Tires will have a tendency to blow out on the overloaded axle.

RSQCON
03-27-2017, 10:25 PM
First off you shouldn't need to add a kit like that in order to equalize the load over 2 or 3 axles. I am very familiar with towing and have towed mylitiple configurations. This car hauler will be on the smaller side of what I usually tow. Many people feel the need for kits like you posted for a variety of reasons like having a truck that is lifted and a trailer that doesn't sit level or people that don't properly distribute the weight of the cargo. Both those issues will be addressed including tongue weight. For those reasons and a few others that I will address I think torsion axles are the way to go for me. I do appreciate the input!

outkast7222
03-28-2017, 12:05 AM
First off you shouldn't need to add a kit like that in order to equalize the load over 2 or 3 axles. I am very familiar with towing and have towed mylitiple configurations. This car hauler will be on the smaller side of what I usually tow. Many people feel the need for kits like you posted for a variety of reasons like having a truck that is lifted and a trailer that doesn't sit level or people that don't properly distribute the weight of the cargo. Both those issues will be addressed including tongue weight. For those reasons and a few others that I will address I think torsion axles are the way to go for me. I do appreciate the input!
All tandem and tried axle spring trailers come with axle equalizers, the ones he is showing are simply nicer riding ones.

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