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Gtb
05-09-2019, 11:25 PM
I hear there has been many issues with the ecodiesel and that itís not reliable. I wonít the torque of the diesel but not at the cost of reliability.

I havenít heard much about the turbo.

I see Eddieís not waiting so maybe Iím over thinking things and should go with whatís available now?



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HighwayTrout
05-09-2019, 11:28 PM
Wish a V8 would be an option but since it wonít be Iíll most likely roll the dice on a diesel. Iím not a fan of the pentastar.

Exodus Jeeps
05-09-2019, 11:46 PM
Iíve driven the turbo and while I thought it was good, I canít bring myself to go to a smaller displacement. Iíll most likely upgrade mine to a V8 someday, so I went with the Pentastar. Not a fan of the diesel option just because of the emissions.


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notnalc68
05-10-2019, 12:03 AM
Wish a V8 would be an option but since it wonít be Iíll most likely roll the dice on a diesel. Iím not a fan of the pentastar.

Whatís wrong with the pentastar? Piginajeep has had like three of them.


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fiend
05-10-2019, 12:38 AM
Jeep should bring back the 3.8 for the JT.


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Exodus Jeeps
05-10-2019, 01:20 AM
Jeep should bring back the 3.8 for the JT.


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WJCO
05-10-2019, 01:29 AM
Jeep should bring back the 3.8 for the JT.


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HighwayTrout
05-10-2019, 02:36 AM
Whatís wrong with the pentastar? Piginajeep has had like three of them.


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lol
Iím on number 2.

H8ROADS
05-10-2019, 03:01 PM
Interesting thought on this - in some states (including CO) you can't legally go from diesel to gas or vice versa and stay street legal. I was opting to wait on a diesel option, but now that I discovered that fact, I may just get the gas and plan to upgrade at some point or another.

WJCO
05-10-2019, 03:08 PM
I was opting to wait on a diesel option, but now that I discovered that fact, I may just get the gas and plan to upgrade at some point or another.

You getting one?

jorgelrod
05-13-2019, 06:31 PM
I read the tow rating on the Diesel is lower than with th V6, I think that is weird considering the Diesel has more torque.

Deola
06-01-2019, 02:45 PM
Iím going to at least wait and see how it sounds closer to the 3.0s launch. Since I hear itís going back in the 1500 and the jlu I canít see them shooting themselves in the foot and relaunching something with issues on multiple platforms

RockinAZJK
06-01-2019, 03:31 PM
IMO Iíd wait until the diesel has been out for a year and people have real world reviews with some good miles on them. Iíd rather wait a couple years and make sure Iím getting the one that I really want instead of jumping in and then realizing a year down the road I want the other. Also, maybe the markup on these things will have come down by then.


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longarmwj
06-01-2019, 08:27 PM
IMO Iíd wait until the diesel has been out for a year and people have real world reviews with some good miles on them. Iíd rather wait a couple years and make sure Iím getting the one that I really want instead of jumping in and then realizing a year down the road I want the other. Also, maybe the markup on these things will have come down by then.


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Honestly I wouldnít be concerned about the motor in the JL. It isnít brand new tech. Theyíve had that engine/tranny combo for years now


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nbunga
06-01-2019, 09:47 PM
Honestly I wouldnít be concerned about the motor in the JL. It isnít brand new tech. Theyíve had that engine/tranny combo for years now


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Wait a minute. That sure sounds like a sales pitch from a car dealer.[emoji848][emoji16]

jmo801
06-01-2019, 10:10 PM
Jeep should bring back the 3.8 for the JT.


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Hahah! [emoji23] letís play a game of would you rather..
Would you rather run Jeeps old 2.5L 4 banger engine with 4.10 gear ratio or 3.8L with 3.21 gear ratio?


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longarmwj
06-01-2019, 11:28 PM
Wait a minute. That sure sounds like a sales pitch from a car dealer.[emoji848][emoji16]

Lol!!! If I were still in the industry it would be!!!


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MericaMade
06-02-2019, 02:13 PM
I hear there has been many issues with the ecodiesel and that itís not reliable. I wonít the torque of the diesel but not at the cost of reliability.

I havenít heard much about the turbo.

I see Eddieís not waiting so maybe Iím over thinking things and should go with whatís available now?



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My buddy is a service manager at a local Dodge/Jeep dealership and said the exact same thing as your hearing. He said he was not impressed with anything about it.

Exodus Jeeps
06-02-2019, 09:09 PM
My buddy is a service manager at a local Dodge/Jeep dealership and said the exact same thing as your hearing. He said he was not impressed with anything about it.

I too have heard this and was a deciding factor not to wait. Besides, Iím sure in a few years weíll be pulling the 3.6 and dropping in a Hemi like all the cool kids. Unless the JL/JT LS swap is more streamlined by then.


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longarmwj
06-03-2019, 01:19 AM
My buddy is a service manager at a local Dodge/Jeep dealership and said the exact same thing as your hearing. He said he was not impressed with anything about it.

Itís funny Iíve heard the same thing too, but I sold countless EcoDiesels and not once did I ever have a customer coming into our service department for anything other than regular maintenance. In fact I only ever recall one ever being in the shop for anything other then regular maintenance and it was because the dudes wife put gasoline instead of diesel in it.


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jdofmemi
06-03-2019, 05:33 AM
Itís funny Iíve heard the same thing too, but I sold countless EcoDiesels and not once did I ever have a customer coming into our service department for anything other than regular maintenance. In fact I only ever recall one ever being in the shop for anything other then regular maintenance and it was because the dudes wife put gasoline instead of diesel in it.


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They are great if you drive it yourself.

Don't let wives, girlfriends, brothers, or especially employees drive one. They WILL fuck it up.
Once they have had either gas or DEF in the fuel tank, they are never the same.
Mine (the one I got new) got passed down to an employee. After an $8,000 repair, it now gets 18 to 20 mpg instead of 26 to 28 like it did when I drove it.

I also had a Chevy Cruze Diesel fee years ago. It got 46+ mpg until the wife's daughter drove it one time and put gas in it. After repairs, it never broke 40 mpg after that.

Tonopah
06-05-2019, 03:43 PM
I have a JK 6 spd 2 dr Rubicon and a 2005 auto LJ and like them both, so I am not in hurry to jump on the JL bandwagon but, I am intrigued by the eventual 3.0 diesel option. A 240 hp 400 foot pound diesel might be really sweet -- if it works reliably. Wait and see mode for me.

Gotta think that FCA has been working hard to improve that VM Motori motor, but I have also heard something about FCA coming out with an entirely new diesel (probably internet BS though).

jesse3638
06-05-2019, 03:59 PM
[emoji3516][emoji3516]This

They are great if you drive it yourself.

Don't let wives, girlfriends, brothers, or especially employees drive one. They WILL fuck it up.
Once they have had either gas or DEF in the fuel tank, they are never the same.
Mine (the one I got new) got passed down to an employee. After an $8,000 repair, it now gets 18 to 20 mpg instead of 26 to 28 like it did when I drove it.

I also had a Chevy Cruze Diesel fee years ago. It got 46+ mpg until the wife's daughter drove it one time and put gas in it. After repairs, it never broke 40 mpg after that.You'd think it wasn't that hard. I used to mess with a coworker. All our trucks have been diesel and we had a loaner powerwagon from the office. It was gas but everytime I was with him and he was putting gas in it is yell "what are you doing it takes diesel". That truck got more gas baths when he ripped the nozzle out of the tank..haha.

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TheGrendel
06-07-2019, 03:10 PM
I have a JK 6 spd 2 dr Rubicon and a 2005 auto LJ and like them both, so I am not in hurry to jump on the JL bandwagon but, I am intrigued by the eventual 3.0 diesel option. A 240 hp 400 foot pound diesel might be really sweet -- if it works reliably. Wait and see mode for me.

Gotta think that FCA has been working hard to improve that VM Motori motor, but I have also heard something about FCA coming out with an entirely new diesel (probably internet BS though).

i'm in a 2017 JKU. So, i'm a couple of years away from potentially upgrading to a JL or JT. Plenty of time to see the diesel come out.

Tonopah
07-09-2019, 05:21 PM
So the 3.0 eco diesel is now supposed to be 260hp/480fps of torque. A Gen ll eco diesel that will roll out in the Ram and presumably the wrangler/gladiator. Yet more intriguing.

SLO
07-10-2019, 11:04 PM
Iím glad to hear that itís a second generation. I had a 3.0 Eco Diesel in a Grand Cherokee that I sold a few years back and Iím still getting recall notices including a pretty major one I received in the mail yesterday.


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highoctane
07-11-2019, 04:41 AM
Totally different engine, but similar in size and power, but I have a 2015 Audi Q7 TDI. Itís a 3.0L V-6 VW engine with the same 8 speed trans thatíll be behind the JL/JT. It weighs 5500lbs. It accelerates quick for its size, and I get just shy of 30mpg on the highway (28-29ish at 75mph), and I get 24-25mpg with a 50/50 mix of city/hwy driving. It rarely revs above 2500rpm. It typically shifts at 1800-2200rpm. It merges into the highway quickly and quietly without revving very high. It passes other cars on the highway and climbs grades without ever downshifting out of 8th gear, and holds speeds on grades without much throttle input and without downshifting. I fuel it up once a month. Itís had the emissions ďfixĒ done due to the VW dieselgate emissions scandal, and itís still amazing. Love it. If the diesel the JL/JT will get is anything close to the driving experience I have in my Q7, Iíll be stoked. The power is similar. IIRC my Audi TDI is rated at 240hp and 408ft/lbs of torque.


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Big MAK
07-26-2019, 02:41 PM
The wait is unbearable... and maybe not worth it.

I owned a ZR2 with a VM diesel (2.8L) and I had to get rid of it. "Normal" EGT 1100 degrees and regen 3 times per tank. Basically it was perpetually in meltdown mode. During regen the EGT would exceed 1900 - which was almost all the time at 3 times per tank. I was scared to put the engine under load (didn't dare tow with it). In hindsight I should have hooked up a trailer and watched it melt but I didn't want to die in it either. Quite likely the emissions stuff was not functioning properly but unable to get anything fixed that didn't fail catastrophically. So ... wasn't worth the trouble.

Since the EcoDiesel's from VM and its going into the Gladiator (and other Ram trucks) - I absolutely want the diesel but wish it was from a reputable source like Cummins.

So I'm looking for some validation on just ordering a 3.6L gasser ...

Even though the mileage is horrible and the torque is really low it might be worth avoiding the VM problems. Heck if the EcoDiesel was a Cummins it would have been released in the RAM and Wrangler years ago but Chrysler is required to support Fiat/VM/GeneralMotors.