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Matt-tastic
10-08-2019, 07:04 PM
Hello All!!! First post here and am admittedly not a Jeep owner yet. These damn things are hard to buy.
We've been looking for awhile and had a little push when a lady decided she thought my wife's care needed a little remodeling down the side about a month ago. The little car she had totalled and we thought it would be the perfect opportunity to pick up a Jeep. We've been renting them every time we get a chance whether it's a stripped down one from Enterprise or a brand new Rubi from one of the guys in Ouray / Montrose. So, we kinda decided we were looking for Red 13+ Rubicon to buy, drive stock until the tires wear out then build into a driver / trail rig. Ouray and Moab are probably the most difficult places I plan to run around so we were thinking it would be worth it to purchase the Rubicon over the Sahara as I'm thinking this Jeep will end up with a 3-4" lift, flat fenders, and 37's. The thought is that if we purchase the Rubicon we'd be good with running D44's with gussets and a truss for the 37's. This Jeep has the 3.73's in it but I imagine I'll need 4.88's or 5.13's when we move up to 37's anyway.

Here's where my problem begins. As I've been looking for these things, I've missed several over $500-$1500 at dealers. I'm not able to find a private party to attempt to purchase from. Currently I'm looking at a hard top only 15 Rubicon with a black top and fenders and 38k miles for $31k. It's bone stock and looks like it's maybe been down a gravel road at some point in it's life, but that's about it. It does have factory black heated leather and the Alpine stereo. The dealer is literally willing to miss me over $462. This seems insane to me. Am I crazy thinking I should be able to deal on these or am I looking a gift horse in the mouth here? I've probably bought 15 cars and 100 motorcycles in my life and have NEVER had this hard of a time finding a deal on something. Any help would be greatly appreciated!!!!!!

Ddays
10-08-2019, 07:26 PM
Reality is that Wranglers are in a sellers market. One of the few vehicles out there that are. Deals can be had but you have to be ready to jump on them as soon as they come up.
That doesn't sound like a bad deal at all.

WJCO
10-08-2019, 07:34 PM
Supply and demand.

Jeep=Demand.

A salesperson just recently told me: 'Every manufacturer has incentives. Jeep's incentive = You better buy it, because if you don't, someone else will.'

Mountainjk10
10-08-2019, 07:52 PM
My Ď15 JKUR was 31k, minus the leather seats and no hard top. It also had 46k miles on it. Thatís a good price, so buy it if you like it.


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Coop
10-08-2019, 08:36 PM
Supply and demand.

Jeep=Demand.

A salesperson just recently told me: 'Every manufacturer has incentives. Jeep's incentive = You better buy it, because if you don't, someone else will.'

Totally agree with this. Sounds like a good deal.
Find somebody who knows Jeeps and get a good look underneath. If itís clean and straight, buy it!


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fiend
10-08-2019, 08:53 PM
Hello All!!! First post here and am admittedly not a Jeep owner yet. These damn things are hard to buy.
We've been looking for awhile and had a little push when a lady decided she thought my wife's care needed a little remodeling down the side about a month ago. The little car she had totalled and we thought it would be the perfect opportunity to pick up a Jeep. We've been renting them every time we get a chance whether it's a stripped down one from Enterprise or a brand new Rubi from one of the guys in Ouray / Montrose. So, we kinda decided we were looking for Red 13+ Rubicon to buy, drive stock until the tires wear out then build into a driver / trail rig. Ouray and Moab are probably the most difficult places I plan to run around so we were thinking it would be worth it to purchase the Rubicon over the Sahara as I'm thinking this Jeep will end up with a 3-4" lift, flat fenders, and 37's. The thought is that if we purchase the Rubicon we'd be good with

Here's where my problem begins. As I've been looking for these things, I've missed several over $500-$1500 at dealers. I'm not able to find a private party to attempt to purchase from. Currently I'm looking at a hard top only 15 Rubicon with a black top and fenders and 38k miles for $31k. It's bone stock and looks like it's maybe been down a gravel road at some point in it's life, but that's about it. It does have factory black heated leather and the Alpine stereo. The dealer is literally willing to miss me over $462. This seems insane to me. Am I crazy thinking I should be able to deal on these or am I looking a gift horse in the mouth here? I've probably bought 15 cars and 100 motorcycles in my life and have NEVER had this hard of a time finding a deal on something. Any help would be greatly appreciated!!!!!!

I donít know if this is legit or not. The mention of ďDana 22 axlesĒ and the maintenance having been done in San Mateo (400 miles from Los Angeles) raises suspicions. But if it is not a scam and youíre not wedded to red, itís a killer deal.
https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/cto/d/los-angeles-2014-jeep-wrangler/6993569527.html



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Sharkey
10-08-2019, 09:22 PM
In February of this year I picked up a loaded 2017 JKUR Hard Rock edition, with about 13,000 miles, for $37,500. It was a private party sale so I did not have to pay sales tax which equates to saving about another $3k over a dealership purchase. It had never been in 4wd and never had the top or doors off.

Just before that I was negotiating with a dealer in Las Vegas for a 2017 JKUR (not Hard Rock edition) and the sale fell through over about a $500 difference between what I wanted to pay and what the salesman was willing to do. In the end, losing the dealership sale got me a better equipped Jeep, with less miles, for less total money.

Moral of the story...if I were you, I'd keep looking.

BaddestCross
10-08-2019, 09:35 PM
In February of this year I picked up a loaded 2017 JKUR Hard Rock edition, with about 13,000 miles, for $37,500. It was a private party sale so I did not have to pay sales tax which equates to saving about another $3k over a dealership purchase. It had never been in 4wd and never had the top or doors off.

Just before that I was negotiating with a dealer in Las Vegas for a 2017 JKUR (not Hard Rock edition) and the sale fell through over about a $500 difference between what I wanted to pay and what the salesman was willing to do. In the end, losing the dealership sale got me a better equipped Jeep, with less miles, for less total money.

Moral of the story...if I were you, I'd keep looking.DMV collects the sales tax based on the address of the owner when you transfer ownership here in CA. [emoji849]

Of course you can forget a zero on a private party sale when you file... Or at least that's what I hear. [emoji41]



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trailraider
10-08-2019, 09:53 PM
I have a buddy that ships a tonne south of the border the demand is so high. We get to sell for more then we would get in Canada , and you get to buy for less then you would pay there. He is doing about 15-20 a month. Might be an option if you can find a seller.

Sharkey
10-09-2019, 02:00 AM
DMV collects the sales tax based on the address of the owner when you transfer ownership here in CA. [emoji849]


Thatís jacked up. In Nevada you donít pay sales tax on private party. Dealership sales you do pay, even with an out of state dealer.


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BaddestCross
10-09-2019, 02:03 AM
Thatís jacked up. In Nevada you donít pay sales tax on private party. Dealership sales you do pay, even with an out of state dealer.


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The state realized they were missing out on tax revenue with private sales and fixed that right up. [emoji23]



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jdofmemi
10-09-2019, 02:48 AM
I donít know if this is legit or not. The mention of ďDana 22 axlesĒ and the maintenance having been done in San Mateo (400 miles from Los Angeles) raises suspicions. But if it is not a scam and youíre not wedded to red, itís a killer deal.
https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/cto/d/los-angeles-2014-jeep-wrangler/6993569527.html



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When I was looking for my Jeep, I came across a lot of very similar ads. It has scammer written all over it.

I decided after running around in circles with a few of these that there are no deals that good that are legit.

JKbrick
10-09-2019, 02:56 AM
Thatís jacked up. In Nevada you donít pay sales tax on private party. Dealership sales you do pay, even with an out of state dealer.


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In Indiana you have to pay sales tax at the BMV to get your plates, or prove you paid it to a dealership


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fiend
10-09-2019, 03:18 AM
When I was looking for my Jeep, I came across a lot of very similar ads. It has scammer written all over it.

I decided after running around in circles with a few of these that there are no deals that good that are legit.

Yeah. $10k under market seems fishy .... I was looking for ďsalvageĒ title but didnít see it.


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Matt-tastic
10-09-2019, 03:12 PM
Thanks for all your help guys! You all have to hear this shit though. After breaking down and agreeing to full asking plus a doc $300 doc fee last night with the salesman I get a call this morning from a sales manager that says the price was not correct and they'd need a couple more thousand to sell it. I didn't get the feeling these guys were a shady car dealership and I'm not sure they are, but this whole thing seemed like the epitome of a shitty shady deal. Admittedly, I can't help but be a little angry over the deal, but in the end , I guess no harm was done except for about 12hrs I was excited about the fact that I had found a Jeep and the hunt was over. Pic in lieu of bait and switch google review.

tastethebeast
10-09-2019, 03:20 PM
Sorry to hear that man. Keep looking though. The issue is that a lot of people can't afford the JL Rubicon so they are buying up gently used JKs. Once used JLs start to be more common I have the feeling the old model price will go down. I was curious so I stopped by my local dealer yesterday and they had one used 2016 JKUR for $35,500. It had 25k miles and had every option besides the hard rock package. That is probably they type of price you will find at most dealers.


Thanks for all your help guys! You all have to hear this shit though. After breaking down and agreeing to full asking plus a doc $300 doc fee last night with the salesman I get a call this morning from a sales manager that says the price was not correct and they'd need a couple more thousand to sell it. I didn't get the feeling these guys were a shady car dealership and I'm not sure they are, but this whole thing seemed like the epitome of a shitty shady deal. Admittedly, I can't help but be a little angry over the deal, but in the end , I guess no harm was done except for about 12hrs I was excited about the fact that I had found a Jeep and the hunt was over. Pic in lieu of bait and switch google review.

Primo82
10-09-2019, 04:27 PM
Sorry to hear that man. Keep looking though. The issue is that a lot of people can't afford the JL Rubicon so they are buying up gently used JKs. Once used JLs start to be more common I have the feeling the old model price will go down. I was curious so I stopped by my local dealer yesterday and they had one used 2016 JKUR for $35,500. It had 25k miles and had every option besides the hard rock package. That is probably they type of price you will find at most dealers.

I haven't looked at prices and inventories of used jeeps, but my initial thought was that the JK/JKR used inventories would increase and prices would decrease because of people trading up to the JL or JT platforms... Although I guess it makes sense that a lot of people are using this opportunity to upgrade to a JK, thus offsetting the inventories.

Anyways, good luck OP! Hope the perfect jeep lands in your lap soon.

Mountainjk10
10-09-2019, 05:39 PM
Thanks for all your help guys! You all have to hear this shit though. After breaking down and agreeing to full asking plus a doc $300 doc fee last night with the salesman I get a call this morning from a sales manager that says the price was not correct and they'd need a couple more thousand to sell it. I didn't get the feeling these guys were a shady car dealership and I'm not sure they are, but this whole thing seemed like the epitome of a shitty shady deal. Admittedly, I can't help but be a little angry over the deal, but in the end , I guess no harm was done except for about 12hrs I was excited about the fact that I had found a Jeep and the hunt was over. Pic in lieu of bait and switch google review.

Try Carvana. Theyíre pricing is final but thereís no extra fees added on. You also can drive it for a week and return it, no questions asked. You can even finance thru them.


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Sharkey
10-09-2019, 06:58 PM
Thanks for all your help guys! You all have to hear this shit though. After breaking down and agreeing to full asking plus a doc $300 doc fee last night with the salesman I get a call this morning from a sales manager that says the price was not correct and they'd need a couple more thousand to sell it. I didn't get the feeling these guys were a shady car dealership and I'm not sure they are, but this whole thing seemed like the epitome of a shitty shady deal. Admittedly, I can't help but be a little angry over the deal, but in the end , I guess no harm was done except for about 12hrs I was excited about the fact that I had found a Jeep and the hunt was over. Pic in lieu of bait and switch google review.

Honestly, if your DMV regulates dealerships (it does in Nevada) then I would send the information about this dealership to the DMV with the pricing bait and switch that they tried to stick you with. What they did is illegal.

Exodus Jeeps
10-09-2019, 07:06 PM
Thatís jacked up. In Nevada you donít pay sales tax on private party. Dealership sales you do pay, even with an out of state dealer.


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In Texas theyíll tax you when you register it based on the blue book value, not what you actually paid. Howís that for fucking criminal


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BaddestCross
10-09-2019, 07:12 PM
In Texas theyíll tax you when you register it based on the blue book value, not what you actually paid. Howís that for fucking criminal


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Matt-tastic
10-09-2019, 07:28 PM
Sorry to hear that man. Keep looking though. The issue is that a lot of people can't afford the JL Rubicon so they are buying up gently used JKs. Once used JLs start to be more common I have the feeling the old model price will go down. I was curious so I stopped by my local dealer yesterday and they had one used 2016 JKUR for $35,500. It had 25k miles and had every option besides the hard rock package. That is probably they type of price you will find at most dealers.

Ya, the new body style is not doing to the JK's what I thought it would. I picked up an R1200GSA (kinda like a JKUR in the two wheel world) the year after the water cooled one came out and got a smokin' deal on a 2012. I was thinking that the same thing would happen with the JK's. So far, in my experience, it has not. Honestly, I'm not sure why not either, I saw a 20' JLUR for sale at a local dealership new for $43k. It had leather but was missing the high end stereo package. Thought to myself why in the world are the 4 -5 y/o ones still bringing 30-35? I can't figure it out. I'll end up with one eventually, but like I said in the first post, this is a lot more difficult than I thought it would be to find a deal on one.

bmkrinne
10-10-2019, 12:22 AM
You may be able to find a better deal on one this winter, as the warmer months seem to bring primo prices.


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Tukozin
10-10-2019, 04:25 PM
LOL
Ooo... Shut the fuck up. Someone in the California legislature might see this.



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Matt-tastic
10-14-2019, 06:18 PM
Ha! Another one. Was looking at picking this one up if they could make it to 31k otd, I didn't think that 1k off asking was too big of an ask. By the time they tacked on all their b.s. fees they wanted $34049 (2k more than advertised on the CPO website).

https://www.jeep.com/hostc/cpov/vehicleDetails.do?dealerCode=60068&yearCode=2016&inventoryStockNumber=J190915A&zipDistance=9.19&fiveStar=null&modelDescription=Wrangler+Unlimited

I now know why dealerships like Carvana, Vroom, and Carmax are staying in business...lol...

Tukozin
10-14-2019, 09:05 PM
Yup :)

I seen some Jeeps at Carmax and only one caught my eye, rest were priced a bit high.
Ha! Another one. Was looking at picking this one up if they could make it to 31k otd, I didn't think that 1k off asking was too big of an ask. By the time they tacked on all their b.s. fees they wanted $34049 (2k more than advertised on the CPO website).

https://www.jeep.com/hostc/cpov/vehicleDetails.do?dealerCode=60068&yearCode=2016&inventoryStockNumber=J190915A&zipDistance=9.19&fiveStar=null&modelDescription=Wrangler+Unlimited

I now know why dealerships like Carvana, Vroom, and Carmax are staying in business...lol...

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JKbrick
10-15-2019, 12:31 AM
Ha! Another one. Was looking at picking this one up if they could make it to 31k otd, I didn't think that 1k off asking was too big of an ask. By the time they tacked on all their b.s. fees they wanted $34049 (2k more than advertised on the CPO website).

https://www.jeep.com/hostc/cpov/vehicleDetails.do?dealerCode=60068&yearCode=2016&inventoryStockNumber=J190915A&zipDistance=9.19&fiveStar=null&modelDescription=Wrangler+Unlimited

I now know why dealerships like Carvana, Vroom, and Carmax are staying in business...lol...

I dealt with this same bullshit trying to replace my daughters Jeep. They are all fucking crooks


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longarmwj
10-15-2019, 02:03 AM
Ha! Another one. Was looking at picking this one up if they could make it to 31k otd, I didn't think that 1k off asking was too big of an ask. By the time they tacked on all their b.s. fees they wanted $34049 (2k more than advertised on the CPO website).

https://www.jeep.com/hostc/cpov/vehicleDetails.do?dealerCode=60068&yearCode=2016&inventoryStockNumber=J190915A&zipDistance=9.19&fiveStar=null&modelDescription=Wrangler+Unlimited

I now know why dealerships like Carvana, Vroom, and Carmax are staying in business...lol...


I dealt with this same bullshit trying to replace my daughters Jeep. They are all fucking crooks


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Former salesman here. The fees a lot of times are the only money makers a dealer has, and, at least here in Georgia, some of those fees go to the state, we donít even get to keep them.

Most of the time the online listed price is the lowest they can go while still making a little to pay the sales guy and keep the lights on. Itís listed that low to draw attention to get people interested in it.

As far as places like Carmax and such, Iíve never dealt with carmax, but Drew worked for Carvana for a good while and he said he would never ever purchase a vehicle through them after some of the things he saw come through the shop and get a ďpassing scoreĒ to be sold.


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WJCO
10-15-2019, 02:13 AM
Ha! Another one. Was looking at picking this one up if they could make it to 31k otd, I didn't think that 1k off asking was too big of an ask. By the time they tacked on all their b.s. fees they wanted $34049 (2k more than advertised on the CPO website).

https://www.jeep.com/hostc/cpov/vehicleDetails.do?dealerCode=60068&yearCode=2016&inventoryStockNumber=J190915A&zipDistance=9.19&fiveStar=null&modelDescription=Wrangler+Unlimited

I now know why dealerships like Carvana, Vroom, and Carmax are staying in business...lol...

Check this guy out, fun to watch and lots to learn: https://www.youtube.com/user/jsteverichards

This guy trains salesmen how to sell cars without lying and records all his training sessions. He also presents things in a 'no bullshit' manner while still trying to sell what he's selling. It's entertaining.

Spazbyt
10-15-2019, 02:41 PM
Carmax is fun because as soon as you walk through the lobby an into the car lot a appraiser goes and appraises the car you drove in so the sales guy can hit you with some savvy trade in numbers. They had to walked around my jeep a dozen times. Then the poor sales guy was almost embarrassed to tell me what there trade in value was. The guy was just doing his job but its still funny when they try to get all salesman on you and they open up with a joke.

OverlanderJK
10-15-2019, 02:46 PM
Ha! Another one. Was looking at picking this one up if they could make it to 31k otd, I didn't think that 1k off asking was too big of an ask. By the time they tacked on all their b.s. fees they wanted $34049 (2k more than advertised on the CPO website).

https://www.jeep.com/hostc/cpov/vehicleDetails.do?dealerCode=60068&yearCode=2016&inventoryStockNumber=J190915A&zipDistance=9.19&fiveStar=null&modelDescription=Wrangler+Unlimited

I now know why dealerships like Carvana, Vroom, and Carmax are staying in business...lol...

Your price of $31 itís is unrealistic. You are asking them to take $1k off and pay for all the fees. So itís like they are take $4k off the price. $33.5otd would be a good price for that.


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notnalc68
10-15-2019, 06:52 PM
In Texas theyíll tax you when you register it based on the blue book value, not what you actually paid. Howís that for fucking criminal


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Thatís what they do in Mississippi. Youíll find out, when you buy your tag.


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Matt-tastic
10-21-2019, 04:40 PM
Just a heads up! Finally got one! If anyone is looking here's what I was able to get.
2015 JKUR, Red, Black Leather w/ heat, Alpine stereo w/ Nav, 4.10's, Black fenders and hard top, no soft top, upgraded headlights, pretty stock other than that, 17k miles, $32.9k. Purchased on the Western slope, CO at Glenwood Springs Subaru. Now to start building! Ha!

Coop
10-21-2019, 05:18 PM
Just a heads up! Finally got one! If anyone is looking here's what I was able to get.
2015 JKUR, Red, Black Leather w/ heat, Alpine stereo w/ Nav, 4.10's, Black fenders and hard top, no soft top, upgraded headlights, pretty stock other than that, 17k miles, $32.9k. Purchased on the Western slope, CO at Glenwood Springs Subaru. Now to start building! Ha!

Nice looking rig!


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Primo82
10-21-2019, 05:55 PM
Congrats! Nice looking jeep, good deal on it.

Noble Woodsman
10-21-2019, 06:36 PM
That looks like a good price, especially with only 17k miles. Congrats!


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wjtstudios
10-21-2019, 06:38 PM
Congrats! Let the build begin!


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cpefy3
10-22-2019, 01:48 AM
Congrats!! So exciting to get a new rig!!

JKbrick
10-22-2019, 02:40 AM
Congrats


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