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    Ordered long arms, but questions about what else I need

    Hello All! Still pretty new to the site, but I thought I would post this up. I got permission from my wife to go ahead with some changes on my JK. My profile is up to date, currently running AEV 4.5 with 37s. What's kind of spurring this on is that I'm on stock driveshafts and the rear driveshaft has a torn boot and starting to give me some pause. I was thinking I would go coilovers about a year ago, but wanted to pay it off before I got too much further. Now, with the driveshaft starting to go, and being on stock arms, I'm going to go with EVO double d and 1350 driveshafts first, then coilovers next. I currently have a Synergy raised front trackbar bracket and drag link flip on the front, rear track bar is raised for the 4.5 lift. Other than the long arm upgrade, is there anything else I need to do, or anything that is a "while I am at it"? I'm planning on bolt on coilovers within the month after the long arm.
    As far as plans, it's been a weird journey. We had an LJ Rubi before and lived in Roseville CA before. We are now up in Washington, but are planning on quite a bit of time in AZ. I feel I
    made a huge mistake with the AEV stuff, but we thought we would be more logging roads and overlanding. The overlanding stuff is fun, but we are kind of bored with it and looking for more capability. Thankfully, all of the take offs I have now can go on my wife's JK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KevinG View Post
    Hello All! Still pretty new to the site, but I thought I would post this up. I got permission from my wife to go ahead with some changes on my JK. My profile is up to date, currently running AEV 4.5 with 37s. What's kind of spurring this on is that I'm on stock driveshafts and the rear driveshaft has a torn boot and starting to give me some pause. I was thinking I would go coilovers about a year ago, but wanted to pay it off before I got too much further. Now, with the driveshaft starting to go, and being on stock arms, I'm going to go with EVO double d and 1350 driveshafts first, then coilovers next. I currently have a Synergy raised front trackbar bracket and drag link flip on the front, rear track bar is raised for the 4.5 lift. Other than the long arm upgrade, is there anything else I need to do, or anything that is a "while I am at it"? I'm planning on bolt on coilovers within the month after the long arm.
    As far as plans, it's been a weird journey. We had an LJ Rubi before and lived in Roseville CA before. We are now up in Washington, but are planning on quite a bit of time in AZ. I feel I
    made a huge mistake with the AEV stuff, but we thought we would be more logging roads and overlanding. The overlanding stuff is fun, but we are kind of bored with it and looking for more capability. Thankfully, all of the take offs I have now can go on my wife's JK.
    Might want to throw a set of Rock Stars on there while you're at it. Course that may require different shocks depending what you're running.

    You're gonna love the improved ride & handling

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    Ordered long arms, but questions about what else I need

    As Ddays said, the ride will be dramatically improved. I have an AEV built JK, and although I’ve replaced all of the AEV suspension components with the exception of the 4.5” springs, I still feel the rest of the build was worth the investment. The quality of the bumpers are outstanding and they have not limited me difficult terrain.

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    I added the Evo LA kit last February and it is awesome on the road. I run it with BFG 37” KM2s and have had some issues with the rear lower control arms mounts getting hung up to the point where I needed to be pulled up and over the obstacle. If BFG will ever produce a set of the 39s I’ll move up to those, but that mount getting hung up is my only complaint. It is more work, but EVO does make a high clearance LA kit that you should look into before you make your decision.

    What size tire are you planning on running?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ddays View Post
    Might want to throw a set of Rock Stars on there while you're at it. Course that may require different shocks depending what you're running.

    You're gonna love the improved ride & handling
    Thanks for the reply. I believe that the Rockstars are included with the bolt on coilovers so I will be getting them. I've had the coilovers on my radar pretty much since I got done installing and driving the AEV stuff. I love to tinker.





    Quote Originally Posted by wjtstudios View Post
    As Ddays said, the ride will be dramatically improved. I have an AEV built JK, and although I’ve replaced all of the AEV suspension components with the exception of the 4.5” springs, I still feel the rest of the build was worth the investment. The quality of the bumpers are outstanding and they have not limited me difficult terrain.

    IMG_0547.JPG

    I added the Evo LA kit last February and it is awesome on the road. I run it with BFG 37” KM2s and have had some issues with the rear lower control arms mounts getting hung up to the point where I needed to be pulled up and over the obstacle. If BFG will ever produce a set of the 39s I’ll move up to those, but that mount getting hung up is my only complaint. It is more work, but EVO does make a high clearance LA kit that you should look into before you make your decision.

    What size tire are you planning on running?


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    And thank you. I actually have a pretty close rig to what you started with. Currently on 37" Toyos. Probably going to stay at 37s for a while. I feel like I'm fairly well set up for them with the PR44 and the D44 (I have a Sahara so I did 35 spline shafts with the ARB and regear) I have actually waffled about the hi clearance and totally appreciate your real world knowledge about the brackets. Since I imagine you had the geo brackets before you switched to long arm, do you feel the LA brackets are worse as far as location and clearance? In the last year and a half, I had to replace the passenger side because I came off a rock and smacked it hard and bent pretty bad. I like to say it was because Stevie Wonder was spotting. With the bracket on the long arm, is it in a better spot since it's in front of the rear tire and not right behind the front?
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    Here's a great thread to look through that has some good info. Eddie also explains the diff between the std DD kit and the high clearance.

    https://wayalife.com/showthread.php/...-vs-LA-upgrade

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    wjtstudios: You're totally correct about the bumpers and other components with their stuff. I love the hood, one of my favorite things on the jeep. It's mostly just a little remorse on my part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ddays View Post
    Here's a great thread to look through that has some good info. Eddie also explains the diff between the std DD kit and the high clearance.

    https://wayalife.com/showthread.php/...-vs-LA-upgrade

    I think I had read that one before, but thanks for pointing it. I don't even want to think about how many hours I have spent searching this forum and reading. I was sitting across the couch from my wife the other night and she asked "are you looking at porn?". When I told her it was wayalife, she said that porn would be a cheaper habit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ddays View Post
    Here's a great thread to look through that has some good info. Eddie also explains the diff between the std DD kit and the high clearance.

    https://wayalife.com/showthread.php/...-vs-LA-upgrade
    Not clear, from that thread, what benefit there is to the high clearance long arms. The whole point of long arms is to try to flatten the control arms after a lift and thereby approximate stock geometry. With the high clearance, the frame side brackets are raised up. Unless the axle side mounts are raised about the same amount, you lose the principal benefit of long arms, no?


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    Quote Originally Posted by fiend View Post
    Not clear, from that thread, what benefit there is to the high clearance long arms. The whole point of long arms is to try to flatten the control arms after a lift and thereby approximate stock geometry. With the high clearance, the frame side brackets are raised up. Unless the axle side mounts are raised about the same amount, you lose the principal benefit of long arms, no?


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    They are. The CA bracket on the axle is moved up. From what I can tell from pics, it's not like it goes up four inches above the frame and an equal distance on the axle, but it is higher. Look at any back end pic of a DTD and notice where the control arm and shock brackets usually are hanging down below the axle tube. They aren't there. Also, I'm running 4.5" on stock control arms for the rear. Rides decent, but it's not ideal. I can't imagine the hi clearance would be any different, if not better. I'm guessing it's because the force on the rear going over a bump in the road puts force on in a similar arc opposed to the front where the arc created is opposite to the bump. Not to answer out of turn, but if someone actually has the hi clearance hopefully they can chime in if I'm way off.

    The benefit is that the lower control arm in the back won't get hung up like what wjtstudios described. Yes, the bolt on is a flatter control arm, but the hi clearance is "packaged" better. Just more fabrication involved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fiend View Post
    Not clear, from that thread, what benefit there is to the high clearance long arms. The whole point of long arms is to try to flatten the control arms after a lift and thereby approximate stock geometry. With the high clearance, the frame side brackets are raised up. Unless the axle side mounts are raised about the same amount, you lose the principal benefit of long arms, no?


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    It's a tradeoff with the mount on lower portion of the frame vs the high clearance versions which tucks them higher up on the side of the frame rails. Also, the CA mounts on the axle get mounted up higher on the axle tube so these mounts are moved out of the way. The issue that I had was that unless you do the EVO lever you still have the shock/coilover mounts hanging down like shovels on the axle. That's the biggest reason I didn't do the high clearance version on mine

    For anyone interested
    These are the High Clearance version:

    Frame mounts

    LA HC.jpg

    Axle mounts

    LA HC 2.jpg

    And here's the std Long arm mounts on mine;

    LCA 1.jpg
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