Got a VIN number today.... instead of just the order number, I don't know if it means they are any closer to building it... I read somewhere that you know it is in the system now... I was thinking mid to late sept... before its arrival... ordered mid July… but I've never ordered before... so we will see could be October? One thing funny about where I live... there is a major train hub for dropping cars. I see Jeep's sit out on the lot for a week sometimes before they make it to a truck. I'll probably see my Jeep sitting there a week before it gets delivered 15 miles away to the dealer... lol! If it ends up there... I'll have to take a pic of it behind the fence.