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    Quote Originally Posted by WJCO View Post
    What is the difference between a sealant and wax? I thought they were the same thing.
    Here is the Chemical guys explanation.

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    I found that compound with a random orbit polisher works faster then clay bars and less elbow grease. The random orbit polisher is so I dont cut the clear coat unless I concentrate in one spot. I normally follow that up with a spray wax but this summer I tried F11. Its basicly a spray wax or a detailer wax only more expensive. So after a month or so I have been unimpressed with F11 and will be going back spray wax.20190908_095511.jpg20190908_095357.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spazbyt View Post
    I found that compound with a random orbit polisher works faster then clay bars and less elbow grease. The random orbit polisher is so I dont cut the clear coat unless I concentrate in one spot. I normally follow that up with a spray wax but this summer I tried F11. Its basicly a spray wax or a detailer wax only more expensive. So after a month or so I have been unimpressed with F11 and will be going back spray wax.20190908_095511.jpg20190908_095357.jpg

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    Clay bar is a step which should be used after a wash before beginning the polishing you mentioned above. Claying the car before polishing removes embedded contaminates from the paint. By not claying the car before polishing it can lead to swirl marks and paint damage. Realistically claying a car can be done in about 10-20 mins. Also to prevent noticeable swirl marks washing, drying, claying, waxing (application and removal) should be done in a back and forth motion not circular. Yes polishing alone will give you good results but not the best and can leave your paint unprotected if done incorrectly. I also see you are using a rubbing compound. Every time you polish a vehicle you are removing micro layers of paint and clear coat. Rubbing compound is the most aggressive of compounds usually. So use this too often and you will be down to bare paint with no clear left. A fine polishing compound would probably be safer for more frequent applications. There is a reason a good detailer does things in steps and will take 4+ hours and charges upwards of $300 for a full paint correction. Bentac1 had a full detail done to his last black jeep before he sold it and I know it cost him a pretty penny, but when all was said and done it looked damn near new.
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    Yep. Clay then a 3 step protection process is my choice using Mothers products.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jesse3638 View Post
    Clay bar is a step which should be used after a wash before beginning the polishing you mentioned above. Claying the car before polishing removes embedded contaminates from the paint. By not claying the car before polishing it can lead to swirl marks and paint damage. Realistically claying a car can be done in about 10-20 mins. Also to prevent noticeable swirl marks washing, drying, claying, waxing (application and removal) should be done in a back and forth motion not circular. Yes polishing alone will give you good results but not the best and can leave your paint unprotected if done incorrectly. I also see you are using a rubbing compound. Every time you polish a vehicle you are removing micro layers of paint and clear coat. Rubbing compound is the most aggressive of compounds usually. So use this too often and you will be down to bare paint with no clear left. A fine polishing compound would probably be safer for more frequent applications. There is a reason a good detailer does things in steps and will take 4+ hours and charges upwards of $300 for a full paint correction. Bentac1 had a full detail done to his last black jeep before he sold it and I know it cost him a pretty penny, but when all was said and done it looked damn near new.
    I agree that clay would be helpful before a wax or polish but I don't see it necessary before compound. As I mentioned I was using a random orbit polisher not a rotary buffer so the amount of clear coat removal is negligible. This also eliminates the potential for swirl marks because of its random movements as opposed to the strictly circular movement of a polisher. I should have also mentioned that I'm lucky if I do this once a year so this is not something I recommend doing every month. basically this is a lazy mans clay job with minor scuff removal built in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WJCO View Post
    So we're going to try out this shit tomorrow: McGuiar's Hybrid ceramic wax. Supposedly has ceramic molecules in it. It's gotten great reviews at a much cheaper price. I'll post a review tomorrow and follow up in a few months.

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    So today we went through a couple wet mud holes. Nothing thick, but muddy water all over the Jeep. Along with that, we spent about 20 miles on dirt/dust. Jeep was filthy. When we got home, we pressure-washed it, and it all came off and the Jeep looks good as if we had done a hand wash. Pretty surprising because normally when we use the pressure washer, as soon as the Jeep dries, the mud stains are still there. After a few snows, we'll try again without reapplying the wax and see what happens. But so far, I'm convinced this product works better than a typical hand wax.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WJCO View Post
    So today we went through a couple wet mud holes. Nothing thick, but muddy water all over the Jeep. Along with that, we spent about 20 miles on dirt/dust. Jeep was filthy. When we got home, we pressure-washed it, and it all came off and the Jeep looks good as if we had done a hand wash. Pretty surprising because normally when we use the pressure washer, as soon as the Jeep dries, the mud stains are still there. After a few snows, we'll try again without reapplying the wax and see what happens. But so far, I'm convinced this product works better than a typical hand wax.
    That's good to know. I been meaning to get a wax on the jeep. I will look into this stuff you mention.

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