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wayoflife said:
Is what he said not true?
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I’m not saying that at all. I was legitimately asking because I don’t know who he is. I tried to look him up but couldn’t find anything.

I also tried to look up the underlying claim but haven’t really been able to find anything one way or another yet.

It’s an interesting claim and one worth knowing about.
 
Took a little digging, but I found the statute that provides the basis for the claim:

21 U.S. Code § 360bbb–3
“… (3) that there is no adequate, approved, and available alternative to the product for diagnosing, preventing, or treating such disease or condition….”

I’ll leave it up to people to do their own research to determine whether HCQ and/or Ivermectin should have been considered “adequate” and should have therefore been “approved” (they were/are certainly available) for use such that the vaccines should NOT have received emergency approval.

It clearly is true, however, that emergency use could not have been given if it was determined that readily available, adequate alternatives existed.
 
Sharkey said:
Took a little digging, but I found the statute that provides the basis for the claim:

21 U.S. Code § 360bbb–3
“… (3) that there is no adequate, approved, and available alternative to the product for diagnosing, preventing, or treating such disease or condition….”

I’ll leave it up to people to do their own research to determine whether HCQ and/or Ivermectin should have been considered “adequate” and should have therefore been “approved” (they were/are certainly available) for use such that the vaccines should NOT have received emergency approval.

It clearly is true, however, that emergency use could not have been given if it was determined that readily available, adequate alternatives existed.
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Damn Sharkey, good work Sir
 
Thank you for doing the digging. To me, what you found is damning. The fact that ANY real discussion regarding HCQ and Ivermectin (both of which have been FDA approved for quite some time now for other purposes) was not allowed and censored by the people in power, speaks volumes to me. The fact that a personal friend of mine was denied access to these drugs when she was DYING and given shit for not getting vaccinated with a fast tracked therapeutic, is just shit.
 
It’s a very strange and often nonsensical system. Unfortunately, approval of a drug for one thing does not equal approval of a drug for everything.

From my perspective, that needs to change when you are talking about situations where the likely outcome is grave. Someone should be able to try unproven (in the clinical sense) drugs to save their own life provided they are in a state of mind to knowingly accept the risks.

Absent emergency approval of HCQ or Ivermectin for use to treat covid, doctors could lose hospital privileges and even licenses to practice medicine if caught prescribing unapproved medications. That isn’t speculation, it’s actually happening to many doctors across the country right now for prescribing those very drugs.

None of that, however, justifies the behavior of the doctors in the situation that you are talking about.
 
Sharkey said:
It’s a very strange and often nonsensical system. Unfortunately, approval of a drug for one thing does not equal approval of a drug for everything.

From my perspective, that needs to change when you are talking about situations where the likely outcome is grave. Someone should be able to try unproven (in the clinical sense) drugs to save their own life provided they are in a state of mind to knowingly accept the risks.

Absent emergency approval of HCQ or Ivermectin for use to treat covid, doctors could lose hospital privileges and even licenses to practice medicine if caught prescribing unapproved medications. That isn’t speculation, it’s actually happening to many doctors across the country right now for prescribing those very drugs.

None of that, however, justifies the behavior of the doctors in the situation that you are talking about.
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And if you can find a doctor willing to prescribes HCQ or Ivermectin, then you have to find a pharmacy that is willing to fill it. I have a friend that was really sick from the China virus. She was taken by ambulance to ER, they told her it was her fault because she was not vaxxed and there was nothing they could do. My wife was able to find a doctor to prescribe both. Then had to find a pharmacy to fill it. Thank god for small town health professionals not buying into this jab. Three days after taking both she no longer thought she was going to die. A week later she was out feeding her horses.
 
pop2tu said:
Thank god for small town health professionals not buying into this jab. Three days after taking both she no longer thought she was going to die. A week later she was out feeding her horses.
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It would be really interesting to see the stats from "red" states vs. "blue" on this. Not that we ever will...

I have a very similar story. Last year my 80yo mother (lives in Granbury TX, about 30 miles west southwest of Ft Worth) went to the ER on a Sunday night. By Tuesday morning we were told to "prepare"... She was then given Remdesivir during her stay in the ICU. By Thursday she was recovered enough to be feeling fine & was discharged on Saturday. My 86yo father then tested positive. He was virtually asymptomatic but was given Bamlanivimab as a precaution. The china virus never even slowed him down.

Contrast to a friend of ours whose 55yo husband was in a Seattle ICU at the exact same time... and passed away with no such treatments provided.

I work in healthcare, and my physician friends swear on their honor (LOL...) that there are not political issues involved but the facts seem to indicate otherwise.
 
There were people talking about this a couple years ago, as far as the whole process of approval for an emergency authorization to use the COVID vaccines not allowing for any approved treatments to exist. What really freaks me out is how thoroughly that information (and or questioning) was wiped from the internet. You almost have to get to the dark web to find any kind of dissent, or questioning of the whole COVID vaccine narrative. Since when did America kill the concept of openly debating such a serious issue?
 
JimLee said:
There were people talking about this a couple years ago, as far as the whole process of approval for an emergency authorization to use the COVID vaccines not allowing for any approved treatments to exist. What really freaks me out is how thoroughly that information (and or questioning) was wiped from the internet. You almost have to get to the dark web to find any kind of dissent, or questioning of the whole COVID vaccine narrative. Since when did America kill the concept of openly debating such a serious issue?
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On or around 11/4/2008.
 
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