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wayoflife
02-22-2014, 02:59 AM
Every now and then, I get people asking me for my opinion regarding sPOD and, while I would be the first to say that they may infact make a good product, I personally would never buy one. Why you might ask? Because things like honesty and integrity are things that are still important to me and they have none. Back when I still owned JK-Forum, I caught the owner of sPOD, John Angelastro, pimping his product undercover by pretending to be a regular member using the alias Rubirock and JK_Girl. The FACTS listed below are just a few of my favorite highlights that helped us to uncover his shady business tactics and, as you will see, many of the posts in question were made by Rubirock and JK_Girl who supposedly lived in Jackson Hole, WY. Of course, I say supposedly because a simple IP check proved that hers was an exact match with sPOD and he is located in Valencia, CA

FACT 1
The member Rubirock joined JK-Forum.com on 07-04-2007.
e-mail address: john@angelastro.com
Location: Not Specified
IP Address: 76.169.179.237

FACT 2
Between the dates 10-16-2007 and 12-31-2008, the following posts were made by the member Rubirock. As you will see, every single post he made was made specifically in regards to sPOD and while pretending to just be a regular member.

07-06-2007 10:10 PM - The member Rubirock made his very first post in a thread a member started regarding rocker switchs for flood lights and, it was simply to post up half a dozen images including one that was a promotial flyer for the sPOD:

another option

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/spod
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/spod
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/spod
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/spod
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/spod
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/spod

10-16-2007 07:51 PM - This was a response made in regards to questions being made about the sPOD:

The Source that sPOD sells comes with all the relays, fuses and circuit breaker with the kit.
You really should not run a load on the switches at all because of the risk of melting wires behind the dash.
Below is the JK Source set-up:

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/spod
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/spod
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/spod

11-07-2007 08:42 PM - Responding to questions about the construction of the sPOD:

The black powder coat matches the interior trim. No plastic used.
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/spod
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/spod

The power ditribution unit mounts under the hood.

11-26-2007 05:18 PM - In response to a question that a member made about "cheaper alternatives to the sPOD out there" and it being "a bit much" for what they wanted, this is what Rubirock said - Please take note of the bolded text:

I am a Do-It-Yourself guy and I love fabbing up cool toys for my rig, so I started pricing out a "Do-It-Yourself" kit for me for a 6 circuit accessory switching system:

Painless Performance 6-Pack Relay Bank $241.95 (24 wires to hook up) plus many wires running to the battery and all over under my hood.
Cirkit Boss $89.95
West Marine Contura Rocker Switch, SPST Off/On $14.50 x 6 = $87.00
Miscellaneous connectors $15.00 (about 26 )
Wire $15.00 (I think I'm under on this estimate)
Wire wrapping like split-loom of about 15 feet $9.99
and so far I'm up to about $460.00 without shipping costs and time!
And then waiting for all the parts to be shipped to me. Then my driving to Radio Shack a few times ($3.22 a gallon of gas) for the connectors and wire.
I know a six circuit is a bit much, but I figured:
Air-compressor
Rear Light(s)
Rock-Lights
Offroad lights
Map lights
Under hood utility light(s)
And I know I will be adding something else down the road!

Then I saw this post and followed the link to sPOD and asked myself why the hell would I spend a good long weekend piece milling parts to build a system when this company put together a system that has just about all I needed!

I had e-mailed and asked this company if they build systems for other vehicles besides jeeps. He sent me this picture of a truck with one of their power distribution systems installed. As long as I can find a place within 36 - 70 inches of my battery and a spot to mount the bracket...it will work. (fun company to talk to)

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/spod

And then I seen this post where one of the guys accessory electrics shorted out the main fuse box!
So I would say for under $500.00 bucks for a little safety goes a long way!

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/spod
(Image above is of a burned and melted fuse box)

01-15-2008 07:22 PM - This post was made in response to someone commenting on other options you can do with an sPOD:

I think setting up a power receptacle (cigarette lighter type) is a great idea right off one of your sPOD's Source terminals that is controlled by a switch!
Damn....why didn't I think of that!!! Heck...you can throw a 30amp fuse in that circuit on the Source and use that receptacle for all sorts of temporary power that is switched and not tied into the OEM electrics.
Sweet!

02-14-2008 06:03 PM - In response to a thread asking about places to install switches:

Here is another place:
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/spod


06-18-2008 03:58 PM - In response on how to cut down on wiring:

No matter how you look at it...lot's of wire will be involved.
Unless you went with this set-up:
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/spod

Six circuits on the accessory side:
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/spod

8AWG leads to the battery with a circuit breaker:
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/spod

Six switches above the windshield:
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/spod

06-29-2008 07:01 PM - Trying to convince a member that the sPOD is a better solution than one that was being offered by a sponsor of this forum:

I know you spoke of the existing lower dash, but above the rear view mirror gives you a little more room.
The only thing is that the sPOD is a complete switching and power distribution system.

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/spod

07-13-2008 09:25 PM - Trying to convince people that the cost of an sPOD is worth it:

Just attach the E-Locker terminals to an sPOD. It comes with six relays, switches, fuses and all that you do is connect your accessories on the terminals provided for the positive and the negative and just flip the switch..that's it!
Then you won't have to worry about putting switches in your dash and running more wires through your firewall. The sPOD is $$$ but it will save you time and money later on.

07-18-2008 06:44 PM - Post made showing messy wiring and how the sPOD will clean it up:

Since you already have everything wired up, just keep it clean and add more circuit protection and upgrade the wire gauges as required.
Below is a cool link that helps explain the sPOD

[url]http://www.stu-offroad.com/electrical/spod.htm
Only two 8AWG wires go to the battery from the sPOD with a circuit breaker for protection.
It helps clean up wiring quite a bit:
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/spod
Cleans up this with relays.
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/spod
Below is the Source from spod on a Toyota:
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/spod

FACT 3
The member JK_Girl joined JK-Forum.com on 08-25-2008
e-mail address: jangelstar@yahoo.com
Location: Jackson Hole, WO
IP Address: 76.169.179.237

FACT 4
Now, this is where things got a little strange and, what ultimately helped us to catch sPOD in the act of undercover pimping for well over year.

08-27-2008 06:08 PM - On a thread that a member made to showing off his home made alternative to the sPOD, this new member JK_Girl made her very first post which can be seen below:

Is this something I can build myself? I want to do things on my own (being a woman), but I also want a safe electrical system. Would it be worth it to me to save $150. dollars and do it the way you did.
Or would I be better off just buying the complete sPOD thing. I don't have any electrical skills...so let me know what you think. I also don't want my dealership to see something that does not look factory when I bring it in for service.

08-27-2008 09:39 PM - Within a few hours of JK_Girl making her very first post, this is what Rubirock responded with on the exact same thread with the following before DELETING it at 9:46 PM:

I guess I will need to do my homework before I start anything.
I googled off-road lights & electrical things and found this:
http://www.stu-offroad.com/electrical/spod.html

This site gave me some good insight to setting up accessories and wiring.
I will read more and then do a price breakdown to see which way to go.

08-27-2008 09:48 PM - 2 Minutes after Rubirock deleted his post, JK_Girl posted up the exact same thing that Rubirock made a few minutes before:

I guess I will need to do my homework before I start anything.
I googled off-road lights & electrical things and found this:
http://www.stu-offroad.com/electrical/spod.html

This site gave me some good insight to setting up accessories and wiring.
I will read more and then do a price breakdown to see which way to go.

09-03-2008 09:04 PM - In a thread where a member asked what vendors sell the sPOD, JK_Girl made the following her 3rd post:

I ordered my sPOD tonight. John said it should ship by Tuesday. Can't wait to get it. Just bought some rock lights, windshield lights from Lightforce and a new CB.

09-10-2008 07:25 PM - This was a post JK_Girl made in regards to a thread concerning sPOD installation:

Mine was delivered today also. Ive been reading how easy the install is and Im ready to try it myself. I am having fun just checking out the quality of the sPOD & Source components. The wiring harnesses looks heavy duty and I dont have to try to wrap my wires to make them look nice.

09-10-2008 07:29 PM - Response made on the same thread 4 minutes later:

When I ordered mine I talked to John and he explaned that they are custom. Some machine that specifically wraps the harnesses. Possibly used for aerospace.

09-10-2008 07:47 PM - Response made on the same thread 18 minutes later:

I was able to save $50 by buying the lights without their Harnesses. All that is required is 2 wires running from the lights to the Source

09-10-2008 07:53 PM - Response made on the same thread 6 minutes later regarding problems you might see with the sPOD:

Wow! Thanks for the heads up. I haven't seen or heard anything about that happening. I'll have to do some more research. I plan on installing mine today

09-13-2008 05:07 PM - Response made in regards to sPOD questions:

John also said he has a an adapter for the ARB air compressor to use the sPOD switches

09-17-2008 04:01 PM - Responed on a post a member made regarding the installation of his sPOD:

Just installed mine on Saturday. Took about an hour. Can't get over how easy it was. The instructions were very easy to follow. I don't do much on my own but by the time my help got there I was already done.

Thanks again to John and the team at sPOD for building such an awesome product and offering such excellent customer service. Quality all the way.

10-05-2008 12:20 PM - Response made on a thread regarding sPOD on 2009 JK's:

I recently purchased and installed the sPOD and Source in my 2009. Piece of cake. Just followed the instructions that were supplied. You remove the footmans loop to install the bracket and then it goes right back on.

10-05-2008 04:56 PM - His last response on same thread:

I've seen people use it when we are out wheelin' and they lay the windshield down. They use the loop for a strap to secure the windshield and prevent it from bouncing up and down.

wayoflife
02-22-2014, 02:59 AM
FACT 5
After following a lead that Rubirock might in fact be sPOD, we found that both he and JK_Girl shared the exact same 76.169.179.237 IP address. In spite of the fact that JK_Girl listed Jackson Hole, WY as her location, an IP check showed that 76.169.179.237 comes from Valencia, CA.

FACT 6
The owner of sPOD is John Angelastro and his wife's name is Cinde. As you can see below, both Rubirock's email address of john@angelastro.com and JK_Girl's email address are very similar: jangelstar@yahoo.com

FACT 7
Based on the information above, we decided to suspend both Rubirock's and JK_Girl's accounts until we could do more research and, sure enough, as soon as we did, a guy by the name of sPOD-guy signed up to become a member. Please note that this was 10-05-2008, the same date that JK_Girl made his final post.
e-mail address: john@4x4spod.com
Location: Castaic, Ca.
IP Address: 76.169.179.237

FACT 8
Soon after John signed up as sPOD guy, we suspended that account as well and that's when I got the following email from him:


-----Original Message-----
From: John Angelastro
Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 4:32 PM
To: webmaster@jk-forum
Subject: Supporting memberr of JK-Forum

Eddie
I would like for you to send me a bill for the first quarter to become
a sponsoring member of JK-Forum.

Below is our billing address:

Precision Designs
sPOD
John Angelastro
27804 Zion Ct.
Castaic, Ca. 91355
john@4x4spod.com

You will receive the payment from:
PayPal
sales@4x4spod.com


FACT 9
Doing a Facebook search of jangelstar@yahoo.com, we found that it takes you directly to Cinde Angelastro's page as you can see below:

FACT 10
Doing a Facebook search of sPOD guy, we have found it to show that he is married to Cinde Angelastro.

The information provided above are FACTS. As you can clearly see, sPOD had signed up on JK-Forum using more than one user name, to systematically pimp their product and, while pretending to be just a regular member. Again, I fully understand that things like honesty and integrity don't mean a whole lot to many today but, they do mean a lot to me. I should also add that if he just owned up to what he did and made a simple apology for his actions, all this could have been water under the bridge.

wayoflife
02-22-2014, 02:59 AM
A member of the forum sent a PM to me with an apparent response that sPOD had been posting up on the internet and, while this may go against my better judgement, I felt that the LIES that he is continuing to perpetuate, needed to be addressed. The following is a breakdown of the sPOD post along with FACTS to counter them:

What sPOD said

First off in defense of my wife and myself, you will never find one slandering post anywhere about Eddie, his wife or JK-Forum from me or her.

I used to be a member of JK-Forum since 2007 as Rubirock. I have used Rubirock as my handle name for years on a couple of other forums.

FACT
The member Rubirock joined JK-Forum.com on 07-04-2007 and did so in spite of the fact that our rules clearly specified that manufacturers and vendors were NOT allowed to participate on the forum, unless they were a sponsor. Our rules were outlined at the time of registration and are something that EVERONE is required to agree to in order for them to become a member. While Rubirock may have been a handle he's used on other forums, it wasn't one that we were aware of. If we did know about it, I can assure you that we would have suspended his account the minute he signed up.

What sPOD said

When I joined JK-Forum, I have made a few posts but not many and never once posted about the sPOD. I may have chimed in to help someone out with an electrical question, but never exploiting the sPOD.

FACT
This is LIE! As you can see above, every single post that sPOD made over the course of a year using the moniker Rubirock, was in fact in regards to their product. To make things worse, he even went so far as to sign-up as another user called JK_Girl, supposedly from Jackson Hole, WO and to make even more posts with the specific intent of pimping the sPOD.

What sPOD said

I have seen probably at least a dozen if not more write-ups about the sPOD by my customers. This was something they do on their own! All my customers will vouch for that. sPOD has hundreds of write-ups.. just check any forum. In 2008 around the end of June, I was invited to the JK install party (by Eddie and Jennifer AKA Toad) at ORE to assist others in installing accessories such as bumpers, drives shafts, rocksliders, and many others accessories.

FACT
This is a partial LIE as I didn't even know who the sPOD guy was at the time and would NEVER have invited him to the event in question even if I did. I did find out after the fact that a now banned member did invite sPOD even though she should have known better. This was an event that Off Road Evolution was hosting and NO other vendor or manufacturer was supposed to be allowed to attend EVEN IF they were a sponsor.

What s POD said

Eddie specifically asked me not to mention sPOD because I was not a sponsoring vendor. This was perfectly OK with me. I wore no hats, shirts with logos nor did I even drive my Jeep over there. I worked all day there including wrenching with Eddie under a few rigs installing drive shafts, bumpers, racks etc, etc. I did not speak of or even divulge my name to anyone associating myself to sPOD. This was very clear to Eddie.

FACT
Again, I didn't even know who the sPOD guy was until the event and really, only after Mel from Off Road Evolution started to give me grief about him being there. In an effort to calm things down and not cause anymore drama than was necessary, yes, I do recall asking sPOD to not make any mention of who he was. Of course, had I known he'd been pimping undercover on JK-Forum for almost a year, I would have demanded that he leave immediately.

What sPOD said

At the end of the day, I had asked Eddie how I could become a sponsoring vendor and he gave me his personal e-mail and phone number. I sent him my contact info and asked for pricing. He responded a week later and asked me to create a new handle as sPOD. I created sPOD-Guy and then sent another e-mail asking him where to send the money to. I had a check ready.

FACT
This is a LIE! I would NEVER ask a manufacturer to "create a new handle" on the forum UNLESS payment for sponsorship had been confirmed. And, as I have already proven in the post above, I only received an email from sPOD stating that he was ready to sign-up AFTER his other Rubirock and JK_Girl accounts were suspended! That was back on October 5, 2008 - four months after the event in question.



-----Original Message-----
From: John Angelastro
Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 4:32 PM
To: webmaster@jk-forum
Subject: Supporting memberr of JK-Forum

Eddie
I would like for you to send me a bill for the first quarter to become
a sponsoring member of JK-Forum.

Below is our billing address:

Precision Designs
sPOD
John Angelastro
27804 Zion Ct.
Castaic, Ca. 91355
john@4x4spod.com

You will receive the payment from:
PayPal
sales@4x4spod.com


What sPOD said

In the mean time (about another week and a half) many of my customers were still making posts about our products (including about three neighbors that own Jk's in my zip code). One customer sent me several e-mails asking several technical questions before he purchased the system. He received his system and installed it and did a write-up on it. In one of his responses regarding the CAN-Bus systems to another member, he copied and pasted my explanations to him including my typical signature into the post. I think Eddie thought it was me faking a user.

FACT
As I have already proven, the following 3 accounts ALL belong to sPOD.

Rubirock
john@angelastro.com
IP Address: 76.169.179.237

JK_Girl
jangelstar@yahoo.com
IP Address: 76.169.179.237

sPOD-guy
john@4x4spod.com
IP Address: 76.169.179.237

Rubirock and JK_Girl both used their time on JK-Forum to systematically pimp the sPOD while pretending to be a regular member and, even went so far as to try and cover up mistakes such as deleting a post that was accidentally made using the Rubirock account, and then reposting it again, verbatim, with his other JK_Girl account. These were all premeditated and DELIBERATE ACTS OF DECEPTION!

What sPOD said

About a week later I tried to log on as sPOD-Guy and I was unable to. This was not possible because sPOD was then black listed forever!

FACT
This is a LIE! I have proven that s POD signed up as the sPOD-Guy on the same day that we suspended both Rubirock and JK_Girl's account and, that was back on 10-05-2008.

What sPOD said

I called several times to Eddie to see what had happened and to give me a chance to give him the names and phone numbers of my customers that made posts to the JK-Forum. I have never heard back from Eddie or anyone from JK-Forum.

FACT
I don't recall ever getting any calls or emails from sPOD regarding this matter and even if he had, it is clear that his only purpose would have been to to perpetuate more LIES instead of owning up to what he did. Unfortunately, after 4 years, he's still at it today.

What sPOD said

We are a very small company that have been into Jeeps for 33 years now and have participated hundreds of offroad events and runs (as a wheeler, not a business). Sorry for being so wordy about this, but I feel that since Eddie has not contacted me, this is my only defense. I have moved on and will continue to build the best products out there with customer support and quality not matched by anyone.
__________________
-John the sPOD guy

FACT
I have no reason to contact sPOD. I do not feel the need or desire to associate myself with any person or business that would stoop to the level that he has, just to make a buck. So that there's no confusion here, when we finally busted him and he finally tried to sign up as a sponsorship, I TURNED HIM AWAY as there are things that are more important to me than money.

Please note that I have no reason to make any of this up. Again, I realize that I may be old fashion here and that things like HONESTY and INTEGRITY aren't qualities that many care about today but, they are ones that I still care about.

cozdude
02-22-2014, 03:31 AM
Wow thanks for posting this extremely detailed explanation about what happened Eddie. I find it a little funny how you caught him red handed and he still tried to find a way to turn it back on you and make you look like that bad guy. What an :ass hat: if I ever need the room for more switches I will take the time to build the DYI spod


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10frank9
02-22-2014, 03:32 AM
Thanks for posting this Eddie. I think this information really needs to be out there. People need to hear the facts and make their own opinion. You know me personally and know that honesty and integrity are values I hold dear.

I think some people like John Angelastro care more about money than maintaining a good reputation. Sad, but businesses like these won't earn my hard earned money.

JAGS
02-22-2014, 03:59 AM
I can't add much but to say that as a business owner and professional myself, all I have is my name and reputation.

Integrity and honesty are cornerstones to life. I try to live by example for my kids and tell them to live by as well and choose to associate with those with similar ethics.

Shadow's_Jeep
02-22-2014, 04:06 AM
Interesting read. He won't be getting any of my money.

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pvanweelden
02-22-2014, 04:26 AM
Wow, I never knew they were ^ that shady, but I did know $455 was WAY too much money for what it was as a product. It is just switches, relays, and fuses. Yes they have a great switch panel and a circuit to turn off accessories, if the battery gets low, but otherwise you can do the same for a lot less money.

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wayoflife
02-22-2014, 04:45 AM
I think this information really needs to be out there. People need to hear the facts and make their own opinion.

To be fair, I used to have all this posted up on my old forum, back when I still owned it. Of course, the guys running the show now feel that it's bad for business and have since removed it.

pvanweelden
02-22-2014, 05:07 AM
To be fair, I used to have all this posted up on my old forum, back when I still owned it. Of course, the guys running the show now feel that it's bad for business and have since removed it.

Lol, is spod a sponsor now of that forum? :eek:

Relays- $5 each- $30
Switches- $5 each - $30
Fuses- 50 Cents - $3

Getting f'ed over by a sh_tty company= priceless

Sorry for you guys who bought their product, please do your home work people

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Rccrwlr
02-22-2014, 05:28 AM
The thing I like about this forum is the honesty. Make your own opinions, read and do your own research and you will come to that same conclusion that you come to when you read here.

Going the Waytekwire route myself partly because of the challenge and partly from my research about the info about the company practices

Thanks for helping out to bring to light things like this.

This is why I proudly display my membership to WAYALIFE

hinrichs
02-22-2014, 02:33 PM
Glad I finally saw what that guy actually did, and now Im mad at myself for buying one.

pastorwug
02-22-2014, 03:01 PM
Going the Waytekwire route myself partly because of the challenge and partly from my research about the info about the company practices

You're right, the challenge of Paul's Waytekwire project was good and works perfectly for me and many others it seems. Ingenuity wins here, honesty and good business practices win here and I'm more proud of my wiring project than I ever would be of spod's.
I'd be glad to help anyone make Paul's bussman relay box and switch bank if anyone needs the help.


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Kavanji
02-22-2014, 03:09 PM
2007 to 2014........you sure hold a grudge ! remind me not to get into your bad books :)

my question is why did this guy not simply register as a vendor and be done with it? a lot of us Jeepers are looking for some sort of additional switches and I am sure he would have sold a few. even if he cancelled his commercial membership after a year or two he would still be enjoying the benefits with al the write-ups Internet search engines would point to.

just shows you that honesty is the way to go and any dishonesty will come and bite you in the bum eventually!!

wayoflife
02-22-2014, 03:30 PM
2007 to 2014........you sure hold a grudge ! remind me not to get into your bad books :)

There used to be a manufacturer called Saguaro4x4 and a few years back, I busted them for doing the exact same thing as sPOD. However, unlike sPOD, the owner of that company found it within him to admit to what he did and was even willing to offer up a public apology for his actions. It takes a big person to do something like that and to this day, I have nothing but respect for him.

As far as sPOD goes - I see no reason to forgive and forget the actions of an unapologetic guy who would choose to engage in dishonest business tactics just to make a buck. Of course, that's just me.


my question is why did this guy not simply register as a vendor and be done with it?

In all fairness, he tried to... AFTER I busted him. I could have easily taken his money and turned a blind eye to the whole thing.


just shows you that honesty is the way to go and any dishonesty will come and bite you in the bum eventually!!

As much as I wish that were true, the fact of the matter is, he's done pretty well for himself over the years. Even people who know what he did have still chosen to buy his product. In the end, the way it works or the way it looks was more important to them than honesty and integrity.

JAGS
02-22-2014, 05:15 PM
As much as I wish that were true, the fact of the matter is, he's done pretty well for himself over the years. Even people who know what he did have still chosen to buy his product. In the end, the way it works or the way it looks was more important to them than honesty and integrity.

One would think with the popularity of his product and the recently exploited ease of its existence, that more companies would put out a competitive challenger. Shops push the sPod because it's easy and manufactured so each is consistent.

While the DIY looks equal and somewhat easy, I'm still a little nervous about doing electrical myself and have something fry, or worse, having and electrical short/fire because I was saving 50%+.

OverlanderJK
02-22-2014, 05:31 PM
One would think with the popularity of his product and the recently exploited ease of its existence, that more companies would put out a competitive challenger. Shops push the sPod because it's easy and manufactured so each is consistent.

While the DIY looks equal and somewhat easy, I'm still a little nervous about doing electrical myself and have something fry, or worse, having and electrical short/fire because I was saving 50%+.

It's a money maker which is why shops sell it. I can't imagine there cost being very high to manufacture it which means there is a lot of profit in it plus the labor to install it.

JAGS
02-22-2014, 06:00 PM
It's a money maker which is why shops sell it. I can't imagine there cost being very high to manufacture it which means there is a lot of profit in it plus the labor to install it.

Oh, I'm not questioning the why. Makes total sense on all sides. More just why there is not more reliable competition in this space.

TheDuff
02-22-2014, 06:22 PM
There are several other kits, some cost less and others cost more. The difference is really that none of the other solutions are tailored to the JK specifically as a complete plug and play. What Eddie is using is the next closest thing to a spod, but I think the reason it's not as popular is due to marketing... the only way I heard about it was from Eddie. Spod on the other hand is everywhere, in magazine ads, on sema builds, event sponsoring, etc. The guy has the product name out there, he did a good job in cornering that faucet of the jk market. Now I'm no fan of what he did and I won't buy the product myself. With that said, it is probably safe to say that we won't see anything new hit the market and overthrow the spod, it just seems too late in the game. Maybe in the next model of the wrangler a manufacture Will step up and have better business ethics.

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JAGS
02-22-2014, 06:32 PM
There are several other kits, some cost less and others cost more. The difference is really that none of the other solutions are tailored to the JK specifically as a complete plug and play. What Eddie is using is the next closest thing to a spod, but I think the reason it's not as popular is due to marketing... the only way I heard about it was from Eddie. Spod on the other hand is everywhere, in magazine ads, on sema builds, event sponsoring, etc. The guy has the product name out there, he did a good job in cornering that faucet of the jk market. Now I'm no fan of what he did and I won't buy the product myself. With that said, it is probably safe to say that we won't see anything new hit the market and overthrow the spod, it just seems too late in the game. Maybe in the next model of the wrangler a manufacture Will step up and have better business ethics.

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Good points. Like you said, it's the plug and play that make it so attractive. Both for customers and for install shops.

Sharkey
02-22-2014, 06:34 PM
I wouldn't run one if it was given to me for free, but that's just me.

Business ethics aside, I really don't like the looks of the spod switch panel. IMHO the switches themselves are not nearly as nice as what you can get from OTRATTW. Plus, isn't there a six switch max? Then what? You buy another spod? No thanks. Waaaayyy too much money for what it is.

JKbrick
02-22-2014, 06:37 PM
I can't add much but to say that as a business owner and professional myself, all I have is my name and reputation.

Integrity and honesty are cornerstones to life. I try to live by example for my kids and tell them to live by as well and choose to associate with those with similar ethics.

I agree, total honesty is the only way to run a business, dealing with both employees and customers. My honesty has cost me money in a few instances over the years but I can still feel that I did the right thing. Definetly will not be using this product

wayoflife
02-24-2014, 02:29 AM
One would think with the popularity of his product and the recently exploited ease of its existence, that more companies would put out a competitive challenger. Shops push the sPod because it's easy and manufactured so each is consistent.


There are several other kits, some cost less and others cost more. The difference is really that none of the other solutions are tailored to the JK specifically as a complete plug and play. What Eddie is using is the next closest thing to a spod, but I think the reason it's not as popular is due to marketing... the only way I heard about it was from Eddie. Spod on the other hand is everywhere, in magazine ads, on sema builds, event sponsoring, etc. The guy has the product name out there, he did a good job in cornering that faucet of the jk market. Now I'm no fan of what he did and I won't buy the product myself. With that said, it is probably safe to say that we won't see anything new hit the market and overthrow the spod, it just seems too late in the game. Maybe in the next model of the wrangler a manufacture Will step up and have better business ethics.

I think TheDuff just about nailed it.


While the DIY looks equal and somewhat easy, I'm still a little nervous about doing electrical myself and have something fry, or worse, having and electrical short/fire because I was saving 50%+.

And, I think this is a big reason why people still choose to turn a blind eye to what this guy got caught doing and buy his product in spite of what they know. In the end, their fears or desire to for an easy solution trumps values like honesty and integrity.

wayoflife
02-24-2014, 02:31 AM
I wouldn't run one if it was given to me for free, but that's just me.

You know I'm with you on this one. After getting busted, he tried to pay me to be a sponsor but without an admission for what he had done and an apology for it, there is no way I would take his money.

MTG
02-24-2014, 02:32 AM
I won't run one...well, basically because Sharkey does all my wiring. :cheesy:

Kidding aside. As I've said before...two types of class, first and none.

wayoflife
02-24-2014, 02:34 AM
I won't run one...well, basically because Sharkey does all my wiring. :cheesy:

Kidding aside. As I've said before...two types of class, first and none.

I think I need to be giving Sharkey a call for future projects. :yup:

JAGS
02-24-2014, 02:36 AM
I won't run one...well, basically because Sharkey does all my wiring. :cheesy:

Kidding aside. As I've said before...two types of class, first and none.

You using Daystar panel? Or did sharkey fab up something cool for you.

MTG
02-24-2014, 02:37 AM
I think I need to be giving Sharkey a call for future projects. :yup:

Me too. :cheesy:

MTG
02-24-2014, 02:39 AM
You using Daystar panel? Or did sharkey fab up something cool for you.

Daystar

http://wayalife.com/showthread.php?1585-The-building-of-knuckles&p=17039&viewfull=1#post17039

If you are not running a cage I would get the daystar panel like the one in Meanst. :yup:

JAGS
02-24-2014, 02:44 AM
Daystar

http://wayalife.com/showthread.php?1585-The-building-of-knuckles&p=17039&viewfull=1#post17039

If you are not running a cage I would get the daystar panel like the one in Meanst. :yup:

I figured it was in there, just didn't feel like reading 2,000 posts. 😉

OverlanderJK
02-24-2014, 04:14 AM
Daystar

http://wayalife.com/showthread.php?1585-The-building-of-knuckles&p=17039&viewfull=1#post17039

If you are not running a cage I would get the daystar panel like the one in Meanst. :yup:

Can sharkey come rewire my stuff since I won't have a place to put switches with my cage.

MTG
02-24-2014, 04:17 AM
I figured it was in there, just didn't feel like reading 2,000 posts. 

Understood. It's gotten a little out of hand. :crazyeyes:

MTG
02-24-2014, 04:20 AM
Can sharkey come rewire my stuff since I won't have a place to put switches with my cage.

In a word...no. He doesn't like you or Ben Affleck.

Actually if you buy him 5 airline tickets to San Diego and pay for a hotel room he'll probably wire whatever you want. :thumb:

Of course, it is much more entertaining to watch you do some wiring while playing Justing Bieber! :yup:

OverlanderJK
02-24-2014, 04:23 AM
In a word...no. He doesn't like you or Ben Affleck.

Actually if you buy him 5 airline tickets to San Diego and pay for a hotel room he'll probably wire whatever you want. :thumb:

Of course, it is much more entertaining to what you do some wiring while playing Justing Bieber! :yup:

I'll drive up there. It's nicer anyway. And I can turn the biebs up louder if I'm out in the country.

Sharkey
02-24-2014, 04:23 AM
I actually really enjoy wiring, but I'm far from a pro. I haven't stepped up to the level of solder, but I love using a heat gun and shrink/glue connectors.

Sooner rather than later I'm going to have to set both Meanst and MTG with a Cooper Busman relay/fuse box. Both of their batteries are starting to look like birds' nests.

I've been trying to talk them both into dual battery setups. Once they pull the trigger it will be time to set them up with some cleaned up wiring.

MTG
02-24-2014, 04:26 AM
I'll drive up there. It's nicer anyway. And I can turn the biebs up louder if I'm out in the country.

:cheesy: You can crash at my place anytime.

MTG
02-24-2014, 04:27 AM
I actually really enjoy wiring, but I'm far from a pro. I haven't stepped up to the level of solder, but I love using a heat gun and shrink/glue connectors.

Sooner rather than later I'm going to have to set both Meanst and MTG with a Cooper Busman relay/fuse box. Both of their batteries are starting to look like birds' nests.

I've been trying to talk them both into dual battery setups. Once they pull the trigger it will be time to set them up with some cleaned up wiring.

I was checking out that Genesis mount again today. After out discussion this morning I hink I am going to pull the trigger. Just need to figure our whether I buy a new switch system too. :yup:

JAGS
02-24-2014, 04:30 AM
I actually really enjoy wiring, but I'm far from a pro. I haven't stepped up to the level of solder, but I love using a heat gun and shrink/glue connectors.

Sooner rather than later I'm going to have to set both Meanst and MTG with a Cooper Busman relay/fuse box. Both of their batteries are starting to look like birds' nests.

I've been trying to talk them both into dual battery setups. Once they pull the trigger it will be time to set them up with some cleaned up wiring.

Like overlander said, wish you we're closer so you could make some contributions to my rig as well. I'd be more than willing to fire up the grill and throw back some honey with ya.

OverlanderJK
02-24-2014, 04:32 AM
Like overlander said, wish you we're closer so you could make some contributions to my rig as well. I'd be more than willing to fire up the grill and throw back some honey with ya.

I never said I wish sharkey was closer. Don't start spreading that rumor.

Sharkey
02-24-2014, 04:35 AM
Like overlander said, wish you we're closer so you could make some contributions to my rig as well. I'd be more than willing to fire up the grill and throw back some honey with ya.

I'd be happy to do both.

Sharkey
02-24-2014, 04:36 AM
I never said I wish sharkey was closer. Don't start spreading that rumor.

Lol. Come on Spider-man, where's the love?

JAGS
02-24-2014, 04:40 AM
I'd be happy to do both.

Can't afford the 5 plane tickets your agent MTG is requesting just yet. Lol

JAGS
02-24-2014, 04:42 AM
I never said I wish sharkey was closer. Don't start spreading that rumor.

Oh sorry, forgot that was in a PM. Ha ha.

Sharkey
02-24-2014, 04:42 AM
I think I need to be giving Sharkey a call for future projects. :yup:

You know I'm in. :honey:

Skid_Kid
02-24-2014, 10:19 AM
You using Daystar panel? Or did sharkey fab up something cool for you.

I am running the Daystar panel and love it. As long as you don't accidentally flip on your windshield lights and melt the covers off.... :doh:

JAGS
02-24-2014, 10:01 PM
I am running the Daystar panel and love it. As long as you don't accidentally flip on your windshield lights and melt the covers off.... :doh:

Cool, you can help do mine. Oh wait. Lol.

JKJoe66
03-01-2014, 05:33 AM
Good for you and awesome detective work I hear you 1000% - Cant wait to meet ya :)


JKJOE66





Lol, is spod a sponsor now of that forum? :eek:

Relays- $5 each- $30
Switches- $5 each - $30
Fuses- 50 Cents - $3

Getting f'ed over by a sh_tty company= priceless

Sorry for you guys who bought their product, please do your home work people

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pvanweelden
03-01-2014, 05:54 AM
^ this was my attempt at a "priceless" joke, hardly detective work, as it is all fact. If people take the time to understand the product for what is, you will understand it really is very simple- switches, fuses, and relays.

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wayoflife
03-01-2014, 06:14 AM
Good for you and awesome detective work I hear you 1000% - Cant wait to meet ya :)


JKJOE66

Well, I don't think I'm quite the sleuth you think I am as sPOD got away with doing what he did for about a year. He only got caught because he accidentally made a post under the wrong user name, deleted it and then reposted it with his other user name. As an admin, I can see deleted posts and just came across it by chance. It was only then that I started to some real digging and busted him.

defCon5
03-01-2014, 06:45 AM
Thank you for the insight Eddie. Honesty and integrity are hard to come by in today's world. I'm glad you are still a promoter of such values.


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wayoflife
03-03-2014, 03:25 AM
Thank you for the insight Eddie. Honesty and integrity are hard to come by in today's world. I'm glad you are still a promoter of such values.


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Well, I gotta tell you, sometimes I feel like I'm the only one who still cares.

JKWrang
03-03-2014, 03:37 AM
Well, I gotta tell you, sometimes I feel like I'm the only one who still cares.

Nope. I've stopped using certain vendors for being sketchy or otherwise shady.

Banks and insurance companies as well. Have no integrity? Dont have my business. Simple as that

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wayoflife
03-03-2014, 03:47 AM
Oh, I'm sure there are people like you who still care, I just run into so many people who know what happened and still chose to buy an sPod just because they like the way it works and looks. I've literally gone to meet-n-greets where someone would enthusiastically showing it off to others and but then clam up and quickly close their hood when I'd walk by.

JKWrang
03-03-2014, 03:56 AM
The only time thats hard is when its, in the consumers opinion, the product is the best (assuming they care about such things as ethics).

I don't agree with business ethics of certain supplement companies, but they have such a good product that i spent so long searching for an equivalent I did finally find one. That problem is solved now haha

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utiadam
03-03-2014, 04:20 AM
I had no idea they did that Eddie. I know in my few posts that I have I did recommend the sPOD to another member once. I will no longer speak of them on your forum. Thanks for showing us what really happened with them.

wayoflife
03-03-2014, 04:45 AM
The only time thats hard is when its, in the consumers opinion, the product is the best (assuming they care about such things as ethics).

Oh yeah, I've heard that one more times than I can count. It's always something to the effect that "I suck at electrical and this was the best thing out there". To me, that's a cop out and it makes me wonder at what point, if any, would the offense be egregious enough to warrant a refrain from purchasing a product. Of course, most people have flat out told me that they just don't give a hoot and that I should get over it.

wayoflife
03-03-2014, 04:47 AM
I had no idea they did that Eddie. I know in my few posts that I have I did recommend the sPOD to another member once. I will no longer speak of them on your forum. Thanks for showing us what really happened with them.

Well, I can only show the truth.

munstie
03-03-2014, 04:52 AM
Well, I can only show the truth.

I can say if I would've known all this went on I wouldn't be running one, I knew Eddie didn't care for them and he had mentioned them pimping there product, but after seeing the offers from Eddie to rectify the situation, and then still denying that's what they we're doing. I can say I won't be purchasing any of there products from here on out.

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JeepAholic
03-03-2014, 06:35 AM
WoW :eek: I bought one about a year ago. If I would have known all this it wouldnt of happened. Guess I didnt read into it enough.

JKWrang
03-03-2014, 11:36 PM
Oh yeah, I've heard that one more times than I can count. It's always something to the effect that "I suck at electrical and this was the best thing out there". To me, that's a cop out and it makes me wonder at what point, if any, would the offense be egregious enough to warrant a refrain from purchasing a product. Of course, most people have flat out told me that they just don't give a hoot and that I should get over it.

I love the Angry Whopper but now that BK accepts food stamps around here I wont order from there..ever

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beans
03-05-2014, 10:37 PM
Are they the same company who do the customized switches (with little pictures on each switch) that a couple people posted pics of? Zombie killer etc.
I hope not :( I kind of dug those and was looking forward to getting some :( But if it is I don't want to deal with people who aren't honest

pvanweelden
03-05-2014, 10:39 PM
^ no, Otrattw makes the switch cover plates

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Sharkey
03-05-2014, 10:39 PM
Are they the same company who do the customized switches (with little pictures on each switch) that a couple people posted pics of? Zombie killer etc.
I hope not :( I kind of dug those and was looking forward to getting some :( But if it is I don't want to deal with people who aren't honest

No. You are thinking of OTRATTW. They make great switches and, as far as I know, are a reputable company.

beans
03-05-2014, 10:56 PM
^ no, Otrattw makes the switch cover plates

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No. You are thinking of OTRATTW. They make great switches and, as far as I know, are a reputable company.

PHEW!!! Thanks SOOOO much guys! Ill look them up and book mark it! :D

jkjurny
03-05-2014, 11:04 PM
Just got my OTRATTW switches! Install and wiring on Saturday!72090

beans
03-05-2014, 11:58 PM
Just got my OTRATTW switches! Install and wiring on Saturday!72090

Sorry for the thread jack --
But OH man those are soooooo cool!!! I wanna get the one that says "passenger eject!!" :drum::drum:

Why do business with shysters when you can get cool stuff like this? :D :D

Sharkey
03-06-2014, 12:03 AM
Just got my OTRATTW switches! Install and wiring on Saturday!72090

Did you get them with different colored bulbs? They look sweet. Here are the ones I installed for Meanst all lit up; plus a pic of the back so you can see how I did the wiring.

7209472095

beans
03-06-2014, 12:26 AM
Did you get them with different colored bulbs? They look sweet. Here are the ones I installed for Meanst all lit up; plus a pic of the back so you can see how I did the wiring.

7209472095

OMGOSH! Didn't know you could do that!!! That is SWEET looking! :D :D

RamP
03-06-2014, 12:53 AM
Wow. Those look great. Very clean install too. Is that the factory a pillar cover?

jkjurny
03-06-2014, 03:54 AM
Did you get them with different colored bulbs? They look sweet. Here are the ones I installed for Meanst all lit up; plus a pic of the back so you can see how I did the wiring.

7209472095

Yes, I got red and green too! Thanks for the pictures! I plan on doing the same thing with the grounds. I'll post up pics when done!

jkjurny
03-06-2014, 03:57 AM
Wow. Those look great. Very clean install too. Is that the factory a pillar cover?

Sharkey will have to validate, but looks like the Rugged Ridge A-Pillar. That's what I have too.

OverlanderJK
03-06-2014, 03:58 AM
Sharkey will have to validate, but looks like the Rugged Ridge A-Pillar. That's what I have too.

That is correct.

Beat you by 1 second sharkey. :bleh:

Sharkey
03-06-2014, 03:58 AM
Sharkey will have to validate, but looks like the Rugged Ridge A-Pillar. That's what I have too.

Yep....I'm pretty sure it is the RR and not the Daystar.

pvanweelden
03-06-2014, 04:19 AM
Did you get them with different colored bulbs? They look sweet. Here are the ones I installed for Meanst all lit up; plus a pic of the back so you can see how I did the wiring.

7209472095
Are those non insulated connectors on the switches? :eek:



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Sharkey
03-06-2014, 04:40 AM
Are those non insulated connectors on the switches? :eek:



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Huh? Those are heat shrink waterproof connectors with glue on the inside that activates with a heat gun. Why would you think they are not insulated?

pvanweelden
03-06-2014, 04:46 AM
The female quick disconnect is not insulated at the connection. Zoom in

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Sharkey
03-06-2014, 05:06 AM
The female quick disconnect is not insulated at the connection. Zoom in

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Interesting. I see what you are talking about, but in the last 30 years I have never put additional insulation over the connection on any project I have ever done. I've never had a jump or a short from one post to another, much less a fire. I'm open to learning just like the next guy though, so give me some more details on what you think the risks are. The power for the switches is coming from a fused source, and the switches themselves are triggering relays which are independently fused.

pvanweelden
03-06-2014, 06:13 AM
It's a jeep, they tend to go over bumps. I have seen the quick disconnects slide off over time.
Insulated connectors are way too cheap compared to a fire.

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OverlanderJK
03-06-2014, 07:23 AM
Interesting. I see what you are talking about, but in the last 30 years I have never put additional insulation over the connection on any project I have ever done. I've never had a jump or a short from one post to another, much less a fire. I'm open to learning just like the next guy though, so give me some more details on what you think the risks are. The power for the switches is coming from a fused source, and the switches themselves are triggering relays which are independently fused.

I too have never added anything in the 10+ years I've been fiddling with automotive electronics.

pvanweelden
03-06-2014, 01:24 PM
On the left is similar to what you have in your pic. On the right is what is supposed to be used. Fuse or not, that wire has 12 volts. But hey, it's your jeep, do what you want.
72140

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Sharkey
03-06-2014, 02:21 PM
Come on now. The only thing similar is the fact that the female connector is not covered. The connector in your pic looks like .01 piece of crap. The shrink wrap/glue connectors I use are not cheap, nor are they inexpensive.

Canvas JK
03-06-2014, 02:35 PM
Come on now. The only thing similar is the fact that the female connector is not covered. The connector in your pic looks like .01 piece of crap. The shrink wrap/glue connectors I use are not cheap, nor are they inexpensive.

I believe the point Pvan was trying to make was the metal part of the connector is covered to prevent shorting in the event the connector was to fall off the switch. JMHO

R/
Will

pvanweelden
03-06-2014, 02:41 PM
The A Pillar is Designed to crumble in a rollover, when or if that happens, You now have a fire.


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pvanweelden
03-06-2014, 02:47 PM
Come on now. The only thing similar is the fact that the female connector is not covered. The connector in your pic looks like .01 piece of crap. The shrink wrap/glue connectors I use are not cheap, nor are they inexpensive.

Congratulations on 100% completely missing my point! :thumb:

Sharkey
03-06-2014, 03:19 PM
I believe the point Pvan was trying to make was the metal part of the connector is covered to prevent shorting in the event the connector was to fall off the switch. JMHO

R/
Will

I get that...I'm not dumb. But the reason he believes the cover is necessary is because of the risk that the connector will pop off. The cheap ass connector on the left side of his pic does not hold the male spade post (much less the wire itself) anywhere near as well as quality shrink connectors I use.

Sharkey
03-06-2014, 03:22 PM
Congratulations on 100% completely missing my point! :thumb:

Thanks. But no I didn't. I know exactly what you are talking about, but the overall risk of failure with that cheap connector on the left side of your pic is far greater than with what I use.

I've messed around with those cheap connectors and they don't typically hold a spade well.

pvanweelden
03-06-2014, 03:35 PM
The A Pillar is Designed to crumble in a rollover, when or if that happens, You now have a fire.


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For anyone reading this post, please DO NOT use non insulated connectors.

Sharkey
03-06-2014, 03:56 PM
The A Pillar is Designed to crumble in a rollover, when or if that happens, You now have a fire.


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For anyone reading this post, please DO NOT use non insulated connectors.

Designed to crumble? Are you seriously telling me that the A Pillar, which holds the windshield and provides the base upon which the sport bar is connected, is designed to crumble? What, you think it folds up into a little ball or crumbles into pieces? Give me a break. Even if it did flex, bend or collapse in a major roll at speed, that doesn't mean that the posts on the switches (which aren't, by the way, designed to crumble) break apart and wires start flying everywhere, or that quality connectors properly installed just start popping off of the spade. And if you roll at that speed, you are going to have a hell of a lot more to be concerned about then the possibility that one of the posts break or the female connector pops off. (FYI-I've been in a full roll at a fair clip, it's not fun but I know exactly what it feels like and I am well aware of what a vehicle looks like after the fact. Guess what, we didn't burn up and you should have seen the wiring in the guy's rig.)

I think you are being a little dramatic here. Is it an extra added level of safety to use marine grade, fully insulated connectors? Sure. On that note, the safest thing to do would be to solder everything, including the connector to the post, and then wrap it all up.

pvanweelden
03-06-2014, 04:04 PM
Designed to absorb the impact- is that better you?

You are adding an unnecessary risk.

I have been trapped in a flipped vehicle, the last thing i wanted to worry about was fire.

hinrichs
03-06-2014, 04:10 PM
Where do you guys order your connectors? or is there a local shop? I can never find anything good in bulk and would like to have some better stuff to do more wiring projects.

Sharkey
03-06-2014, 04:20 PM
Where do you guys order your connectors? or is there a local shop? I can never find anything good in bulk and would like to have some better stuff to do more wiring projects.

I buy mine from a local auto parts store out of convenience because I am usually just buying a few at a time. I know Summit Racing sells in bulk but I imagine you can find a better price through other online sources.

Canvas JK
03-06-2014, 04:22 PM
Where do you guys order your connectors? or is there a local shop? I can never find anything good in bulk and would like to have some better stuff to do more wiring projects.

I ordered mine from Waytek wire for bulk and Pep Boys for smaller amounts.

R/
Will

Sharkey
03-06-2014, 05:06 PM
Designed to absorb the impact- is that better you?

You are adding an unnecessary risk.

I have been trapped in a flipped vehicle, the last thing i wanted to worry about was fire.

I guess we will just have to agree to disagree as to the relative risk. Again, I concede that fully insulated connectors would provide an additional measure of safety. But I personally don't see using non-fully insulated connectors as an unnecessary risk provided they are properly used (which means properly crimped, sealed, seated and fused.)

JKWrang
03-06-2014, 05:33 PM
I guess we will just have to agree to disagree as to the relative risk. Again, I concede that fully insulated connectors would provide an additional measure of safety. But I personally don't see using non-fully insulated connectors as an unnecessary risk provided they are properly used (which means properly crimped, sealed, seated and fused.)

Wait.

Electrical tape isn't good enough? Damn it... now I have to start over! (Just kidding. I dont mess with the electrical. That shit's greek to me.)

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noroad
03-06-2014, 05:36 PM
Wait.

Electrical tape isn't good enough? Damn it... now I have to start over! (Just kidding. I dont mess with the electrical. That shit's greek to me.)

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Same but im going to build my very first home made spod this sunday thanks to everyone on here! spend like 150 because i got 6 really cool switches!

JKWrang
03-06-2014, 05:40 PM
Same but im going to build my very first home made spod this sunday thanks to everyone on here! spend like 150 because i got 6 really cool switches!

Id offer to help, but if we both are electrical laymen, im sure we'd accidentally wire your sPOD diy backwards and accidentally turn your Jeep into Decepticon.

On second thought... :cheesy:

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noroad
03-06-2014, 05:53 PM
Id offer to help, but if we both are electrical laymen, im sure we'd accidentally wire your sPOD diy backwards and accidentally turn your Jeep into Decepticon.

On second thought... :cheesy:

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Hahaha after im done ill be happy if she isnt on fire lol

JKWrang
03-06-2014, 05:59 PM
Hahaha after im done ill be happy if she isnt on fire lol

Im game for a Gecko Decepticon in my neck of the woods haha. Good luck with the mod!

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Leocon
03-20-2014, 12:42 AM
Well, I gotta tell you, sometimes I feel like I'm the only one who still cares.You're not alone, reading this just confirmed why i joined wayalife....honesty and integrity is also a way of life , something you can't put a price on !!!

LeJerk
03-20-2014, 04:40 AM
So, is there an alternative product being made that does the same thing as the sPOD?

Sharkey
03-20-2014, 04:51 AM
So, is there an alternative product being made that does the same thing as the sPOD?

Yes, it's called LeDoItYourself. You can search for the thread by pvanweelden. He did a great job doing the write-up. There are a few other pre-made alternatives that are also good. Eddie has done the write-ups on them. You don't like write ups though.


A lot of these write ups seem like an advertisement for the product being installed.

LeJerk
03-20-2014, 04:54 AM
This is the only thread that references "pvanwelden". What are the other pre-made alternatives that you know of?

MTG
03-20-2014, 04:56 AM
Yes, it's called LeDoItYourself. You can search for the thread by pvanweelden. He did a great job doing the write-up. There are a few other pre-made alternatives that are also good. Eddie has done the write-ups on them. You don't like write ups though.

:cheesy:

...

Sharkey
03-20-2014, 04:56 AM
I forgot an "e" in his name. http://wayalife.com/showthread.php?t=13119

pvanweelden
03-20-2014, 01:34 PM
Thanks Sharkey :thumb:

There is also - http://wayalife.com/showthread.php?9779-SwankPOD-(DIY-sPOD)-write-up-(My-last-name-is-Swank)

jnabird333
03-20-2014, 02:12 PM
Thanks Sharkey :thumb:

There is also - http://wayalife.com/showthread.php?9779-SwankPOD-(DIY-sPOD)-write-up-(My-last-name-is-Swank)

:drinks::drinks:

OllllO Fanatic
07-29-2014, 12:09 AM
Wow, I am very, very disappointed to read this. Dishonesty and.... I wish I had not purchased one of these now, and if I had known this before hand I would not have,and will not be purchasing one for my wife's Jeep, no matter how much she likes the over head switch setup. Time to get creative. If I hadn't spent so much on it I'd take it out and toss it in the barrel.

MR.Ty
07-29-2014, 12:18 AM
Wow, I am very, very disappointed to read this. Dishonesty and.... I wish I had not purchased one of these now, and if I had known this before hand I would not have,and will not be purchasing one for my wife's Jeep, no matter how much she likes the over head switch setup. Time to get creative. If I hadn't spent so much on it I'd take it out and toss it in the barrel.

If you have some skill check out darknights set up. He has a great and factory looking switch set up about the rearview mirror.

2014 JKUR

aplittle
07-29-2014, 04:37 AM
Glad I read this. I have been looking at adding a switch panel. I will not be going with sPod now.

OllllO Fanatic
07-30-2014, 01:00 AM
Interesting
93680

Sharkey
07-30-2014, 01:04 AM
Interesting
93680

Why? :thinking:

gtony12
07-30-2014, 01:25 AM
Read this it sucks that Eddie has to deal with stuff like this. I am designing my own setup and going to call it gtony12Pod. I will post up when done.:thumbup:
I will post how much it cost to make your own as well. :)
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CerOf
07-30-2014, 02:12 AM
Why? :thinking:

I'm thinking because Mr. Eddie's friends with Mr. Mel and the website shows spod people sponsoring Mr. Mel?


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OverlanderJK
07-30-2014, 02:57 AM
I'm thinking because Mr. Eddie's friends with Mr. Mel and the website shows spod people sponsoring Mr. Mel?


Sent from a a few tin cans and some string.

I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. I don't agree with everything my friends do, doesn't mean I'm not friends with them.

darkknight1999
07-30-2014, 03:00 AM
If you have some skill check out darknights set up. He has a great and factory looking switch set up about the rearview mirror.

2014 JKUR

Thanks MR.Ty :drinks:


Honesty and trustworthiness is hard to find it seems now-a-day... which is sad really. :gray no:

darkknight1999
07-30-2014, 03:01 AM
I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. I don't agree with everything my friends do, doesn't mean I'm not friends with them.

Exactly! :beer:

CerOf
07-30-2014, 03:42 AM
I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. I don't agree with everything my friends do, doesn't mean I'm not friends with them.

I was just pointing out what I saw in the photo. My thoughts are, it's a free country. Personally, I shy away from company's that do things the 'wrong' way.

Nice guys may finish last, but they still finish and sleep better.

I've had folks say that they can easily buy a good nights sleep....those are usually the most hollow folks.


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JAGS
07-30-2014, 04:18 AM
I'm thinking because Mr. Eddie's friends with Mr. Mel and the website shows spod people sponsoring Mr. Mel?


Sent from a a few tin cans and some string.

Mel runs a successful manufacturing and install business. ORE carries and sells many products. Eddie's personal issues shouldn't preclude Mel from running his shop, just because the two are friends. Secondly, don't think Eddie ever down talked the quality of the spod. Just shared his experience on this forum.




- Jason

Robar
07-30-2014, 04:49 PM
Why? :thinking:


I'm thinking because Mr. Eddie's friends with Mr. Mel and the website shows spod people sponsoring Mr. Mel?


Sent from a a few tin cans and some string.

I believe Sharkey was asking a rhetorical question to try and determine if the fanatic guy was intentionally trolling this thread or if it was unintentional.

WBJK
07-30-2014, 08:27 PM
Wayalife/Eddie doesn't own Project JK? Or did I read that wrong?

Thanks for sharing the details as it gives everyone a better insight as to what companies we support.


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ChaosNein
07-30-2014, 08:50 PM
Interesting

93771


Why is this interesting? We are a retail shop and sell a majority of the manufactures out there.

OverlanderJK
07-30-2014, 08:56 PM
Wayalife/Eddie doesn't own Project JK? Or did I read that wrong?

Thanks for sharing the details as it gives everyone a better insight as to what companies we support.


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Where did you read that? Eddie and Cindy own Project-JK and Wayalife.

gtony12
07-30-2014, 09:05 PM
What happened on Wayalife between sPOD and Eddie, should NOT reflect any negatively towards offroadevolution. :twocents:




Why is this interesting? We are a retail shop and sell a majority of the manufactures out there.

ChaosNein
07-30-2014, 09:17 PM
What happened on Wayalife between sPOD and Eddie, should NOT reflect any negatively toward offroadevolution. :twocents:

It should not and does not. I dont sell the person I sell the product. Whether it be sPOD or TeraFlex or ATX or ARB or whatever parts I am selling...

All that being said, MY PERSONAL relationships with any of these individuals is not in question here. I have great relationships with all of our vendors.

gtony12
07-30-2014, 09:26 PM
[QUOTE=drew@offroadevolution;346123] "I dont sell the person I sell the product."

I agree with you 100%

Did not understand why the post of EVO and sPOD in back ground. That Should have NEVER been posted!

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WBJK
07-30-2014, 09:31 PM
Where did you read that? Eddie and Cindy own Project-JK and Wayalife.


To be fair, I used to have all this posted up on my old forum, back when I still owned it. Of course, the guys running the show now feel that it's bad for business and have since removed it.

Looks like I read it correctly just assumed 'old forum' was project JK. Thanks for clearing that up OverlanderJK

OverlanderJK
07-30-2014, 09:52 PM
Looks like I read it correctly just assumed 'old forum' was project JK. Thanks for clearing that up OverlanderJK

Project-JK is not a forum. It is a website with technical information.

WBJK
07-30-2014, 10:06 PM
Project-JK is not a forum. It is a website with technical information.

Yup...all makes sense now. Jumped the gun.

DMF
07-30-2014, 10:33 PM
In his defense rubirock can be bipolar. And everything they said is legit.

Smokinjoe
07-30-2014, 11:34 PM
I for one like SPOD had it for over a year and half and works as advertised

wayoflife
07-30-2014, 11:43 PM
To bring all this back on topic, I started this thread because HONESTY and INTEGRITY are things that are important to ME. If they are important to you as well, the FACTS I have shared proving how the owner of sPOD, John Angelastro, was engaged in a deliberate act of undercover pimping should be of interest to you. If I were a vendor, I personally would not sell their products. As a consumer, I definitely would not buy one but again, that's just me. What's important to you and how you choose to spend your money is really, none of my business.

As OverlanderJK said earlier, I don't always agree with everything my friends do but that doesn't mean we can't still be friends.

wayoflife
07-30-2014, 11:51 PM
What happened on Wayalife between sPOD and Eddie...

To be clear, nothing happened between sPOD and me per se. sPOD was deliberately undercover pimping on my old forum and I caught him red handed doing it. All I have done with this thread is share that fact and back it up with proof.


Project-JK is not a forum. It is a website with technical information.

This is correct. We still own Project-JK and it is a technical website. If anything, it is a sister site to WAYALIFE.


I for one like SPOD had it for over a year and half and works as advertised

Nobody ever said that it didn't work as advertised, just that the owner of sPOD was caught red handed deliberately undercover pimping his product and to this day, remains completely unapologetic about the fact. If things like honesty and integrity don't matter to you, I hope you enjoy what you have chosen to support.

piginajeep
07-31-2014, 02:04 AM
I for one like SPOD had it for over a year and half and works as advertised

It's not about the product.. But if your cool how he runs a business, go you

OllllO Fanatic
08-03-2014, 12:56 AM
Why is this interesting? We are a retail shop and sell a majority of the manufactures out there.

I didn't mean any thing negative by it, and have nothing but good to say about ORE. I still plan on buying a lift from you all. From reading all of Eddies post I thought he made mention of Mel not being a fan. I own an sPod, how can I bash some one for selling them if I bought one. Ehh is what it is I have only respect for ORE and ment nothing by it. I'll keep my random thoughts to my self from now on.

I just now read further back, and I wasn't trying to be an ass hat, sorry.

Zstairlessone
08-03-2014, 03:21 AM
Mel sells quality products and the sPod is certainly a quality product. Eddie is commenting on the people and how they conducted themselves on his forum and what they did was pretty sh#%y. The two are unrelated. Now, making a decision to not buy a quality product for personal reasons does in no way reflect back on the retailer selling that product. If my family sold a quality product that I had something like that happen to me i would chose not to buy the item, but I would still love my family, show up for (as many as they allow:)) dinners etc and openly support them. Remember at the end of the day what Mel is doing is completely up front and honest, selling quality products to his customers.

I'll definitely buy from ORE, I just chose to spend my money with them on something other than an sPod. Thanks to Eddie for the heads up!!

wayoflife
09-12-2014, 03:50 PM
Although these weren't exactly the same thing as what sPod did, honesty and integrity were still a matter of concern in what Morris4x4 and Extreme Terrain were involved in. And, I must say that it really has been nice to see companies like theirs own up to the things they have done and apologize for the actions. As some of you know, Morris4x4 recently apologized for what they had done:
http://wayalife.com/showthread.php?18244-Morris4x4-Plagiarizing-WAYALIFE-(Apology-Made)

And just yesterday, Extreme Terrain just apologized as well:
http://wayalife.com/showthread.php?16432-Extreme-Terrain-Illegally-Selling-Copyrighted-JK-Decals-(Apology-Made)

Of course, we all know where sPod stands when it comes to things like honesty and integrity.

SavageMonkey
10-03-2014, 06:24 PM
I was looking to purchase one of these units during the winter months. Suffice to say "WAS" is the key word here. I have been involved in my family run business for years. And as way stated "you are only as good as your word."

The product looks good as from all the YouTube vids and write ups I've seen but when you employ suspect practices and violate a TOS agreement all to advance your product instead of being truthful, having integrity and going the correct route you sir lose all credibility...

When you fail to uphold basic standards and practices of business, get caught, are called out on your actions and continue to perpetrate a lie in hopes of..... whatever the hell you hope for instead of owning up to your mistake, ask for forgiveness and make amends then you deserve what you get.

I've seen other items for sale online and also a member here on WAL who created his own switch box using fiberglass (which I would love to build, buy, hijack....) and Frankensteining it so it looks factory. Suffice to say I need to look for alternative options as I will not be putting an sPOD unit or anything that company creates in my JK.

Thanks for sharing Eddie...

skyefalcon6
03-27-2015, 01:00 AM
I've been researching SPOD alternatives and came across this thread again. After re-reading the shenanigans, it's clear this John guy would fail miserably as a spy.

"Are you an American spy?"
"No, no way"
"Ok, you're in. What's your email address so we can communicate and whatnot?"
"john@cia.gov"
:grayno:

olram30
03-27-2015, 01:02 AM
I simply wouldn't buy from a guy that calls himself papa sPod.

JohnnyD
03-27-2015, 11:34 AM
Wow this is pretty shady stuff. Anything to make bucks nowadays....😢...and when caught act like nothing u were doing was wrong ...just shady....problem is I know many people throughout my industry who would act this very way and think nothing of it. It's downright shameful...

JKWrang
03-27-2015, 11:40 AM
In every industry you have that guy or company that just downright doesn't care.

Insurance requirements? Who needs those. Ethics and intergrity? Luxuries, really. :grayno:

JohnnyD
03-27-2015, 04:15 PM
Agreed...in this day and age of all things digital I believe the perceived anonymity of it all makes a difference (it shouldn't ) in how people behave, but a lie is a lie, and ethics are ethics, these rules apply across platforms, media, forums etc...

n3tfury
04-20-2015, 02:20 AM
Sucks I didn't see this before I purchased last year. Oh well, not ripping it out now. Thanks for the heads up though.

dwilkening
07-01-2015, 09:19 PM
Ouch!!! Busted.

JudeinPa
09-06-2015, 01:28 AM
Just saw this and was thinking of purchasing a SPOD but now it will be a Painless trail rocker accessory control system.

JAGS
09-06-2015, 01:30 AM
Just saw this and was thinking of purchasing a SPOD but now it will be a Painless trail rocker accessory control system.

Painless and also switch-pro are very good alternatives.

JudeinPa
09-06-2015, 01:39 AM
Thank you JAGS I will check both of them out.:thumb:

JAGS
09-06-2015, 01:41 AM
Thank you JAGS I will check both of them out.:thumb:

Yup. [emoji106] both are forum supporters/sponsors so you can find a lot here by searching.

Stegertime
09-06-2015, 02:03 AM
Thank you JAGS I will check both of them out.:thumb:

I got the Switch Pros and am very happy. The Bluetooth connection is pretty sweet too [emoji106]🏻[emoji108]🏻

AaronG83NM
09-06-2015, 06:12 AM
Two years ago I picked up my JK so I stopped by my buddies so I could check out all of his upgrades on his JK. When he showed me his sPod I had to have it, when I got home I researched them and saw how expensive they are. Time went on and I added lights to my JK so I contacted sPod to see if I could just purchase the switch panel, I'm a single parent so there was no way I could purchase a complete kits for that price. I never got a single response back and now I know why, sPod is nothing but a bunch of money hungry liars. I'll be honest if I could afford one I might possibly buy one just cause it's convenient and the switch panel looks cool. But being that I'm a single income parent and my JEEP habit must be paid for by side jobs it's NOT HAPPENING. I'm glad Eddie posted up all the FACTS about the shadiness of the sPod business strategy.

Rccrwlr
09-06-2015, 02:47 PM
Two years ago I picked up my JK so I stopped by my buddies so I could check out all of his upgrades on his JK. When he showed me his sPod I had to have it, when I got home I researched them and saw how expensive they are. Time went on and I added lights to my JK so I contacted sPod to see if I could just purchase the switch panel, I'm a single parent so there was no way I could purchase a complete kits for that price. I never got a single response back and now I know why, sPod is nothing but a bunch of money hungry liars. I'll be honest if I could afford one I might possibly buy one just cause it's convenient and the switch panel looks cool. But being that I'm a single income parent and my JEEP habit must be paid for by side jobs it's NOT HAPPENING. I'm glad Eddie posted up all the FACTS about the shadiness of the sPod business strategy.

Check out the Waytec wire unit built up on here. A lot of us run it and it's a DYI type thing that saves you quite a bit over the sPod

Blazindevl
01-09-2016, 07:37 PM
I was going thru some threads and just read this one... The balls on some people. I really feel like today's society cares more about "whats in it for me" than anything. Finding people that still practice the fundamental principles of being a decent human being like honesty and integrity is getting harder and harder it seems.

Last month i sold a quad on craigslist, one that I bought new, built up and put a lot of hard work and money into. I didnt need the money and wasn't desperate to sell it, I was just trying to free up some space in the garage. My main concern was making sure it went to a good home where it would be taken care of. The guy that bought it from me represented himself as that guy. Three days after selling it i saw it reposted for sale on CL for more money and he actually had the balls to list that he was the original owner and that he had always babied it blah blah blah. When I called him out on it he gave me some bullshit about a family member dying and he needed the money!

Thanks for spending the time to post this up... I was considering one of these down the road as I continue to upgrade my jeep, now I will look for something elsewhere.

notnalc68
01-09-2016, 08:40 PM
Glad I saw this. I was holding off, because they are so expensive. Now I'll go one of the other routes.

Sudz
01-09-2016, 09:06 PM
Last month i sold a quad on craigslist, one that I bought new, built up and put a lot of hard work and money into. I didnt need the money and wasn't desperate to sell it, I was just trying to free up some space in the garage. My main concern was making sure it went to a good home where it would be taken care of. The guy that bought it from me represented himself as that guy. Three days after selling it i saw it reposted for sale on CL for more money and he actually had the balls to list that he was the original owner and that he had always babied it blah blah blah. When I called him out on it he gave me some bullshit about a family member dying and he needed the money! funny you mention this. When I post things for sale on my local forum, I always discount my stuff. First, I always list for a fair value and secondly I always knock off a little extra since it's going to a fellow club member. It's usually stuff I don't use anymore, but in great condition. On a few occasions I had those same members turn around and re-post the item they just got from me on the same forum marked up 2X.!!! Another guy bragged to me how he made a killing on the tires he just bought from me by reselling to another member. So yeah, jeep owners are assholes too. I never mentioned it or called them out, but I haven't forgot about it either. BTW, it's a local club forum, not a 'national' website. :naw:

SPOOOBY
09-21-2016, 04:16 AM
Thanks Eddie for the great write up,sPod wont get any money from me

Mike_JK_Houston_711
09-21-2016, 04:22 AM
I love how this resurfaces every once in s while just reminding everyone how big a dbag this spod rep was.

BLCK4X4
09-21-2016, 04:25 AM
Johns shop is right across the street from my business and every time he see's me roll by he flags me down and keeps telling me to call him to get an Spod. Every time...I laugh after reading this write up

Mike_JK_Houston_711
09-21-2016, 04:36 AM
Johns shop is right across the street from my business and every time he see's me roll by he flags me down and keeps telling me to call him to get an Spod. Every time...I laugh after reading this write up

Lol that is funny shit.

ELBRAVO
11-29-2016, 06:55 PM
Great information!


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wayoflife
11-29-2016, 07:03 PM
Great information!


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With there being so many people these days who just don't give a damn about things like honesty and integrity, I'm glad to hear you found this information to be useful.

DWiggles
11-29-2016, 07:23 PM
232591
.... Sadly, this is reality for most of todays world... its batshit Crazy IMO :crazyeyes:

elgordomucho
11-29-2016, 08:05 PM
With there being so many people these days who just don't give a damn about things like honesty and integrity, I'm glad to hear you found this information to be useful.

what would you recommend as an alternative product Eddie?

Mike_JK_Houston_711
11-29-2016, 08:07 PM
what would you recommend as an alternative product Eddie?

Switchpros is a good system and has been recommended around here.


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elgordomucho
11-29-2016, 08:09 PM
Switchpros is a good system and has been recommended around here.


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thanks l like that one, but like the rocker look of the Spod. anything similar to it, design-wise?

wayoflife
11-29-2016, 08:10 PM
What Mike said. SwitchPros or Painless is what I would recommend instead. Both are great products and in my opinion, better ones too.

elgordomucho
11-29-2016, 08:14 PM
What Mike said. SwitchPros or Painless is what I would recommend instead. Both are great products and in my opinion, better ones too.

Thanks Eddie, I just checked out painless, seems like they have the style that I like.

wayoflife
11-29-2016, 08:45 PM
Thanks Eddie, I just checked out painless, seems like they have the style that I like.

Awesome! :thumb:

CedarRaider
11-30-2016, 12:08 AM
When I get mine this spring or so I'll be running switchpros. I only have one set of lights as of now but will be wiring my arb and winch this winter so I'll need to clean things up a bit this spring.


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ELBRAVO
12-06-2016, 08:00 PM
Amen! Thank you for taking the time and effort to look for all of the unethical people out there.
God Bless!
ELBRAVO


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ELBRAVO
12-06-2016, 08:12 PM
Perhaps you, or we, can come up with a Simple solution. Back in 1979, I was working in aircraft aviation for National Air Lines, when I owned my first Jeep "Renegade (CJ-5 ) and designed my own system with Aircraft Circuit Breakers- activation panel for all systems, including a Security element/ code built in to the bottom Panel I designed, located on the bottom of my front- center- panel.

Please advise,
Rocky-AKA- ELBRAVO.


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elgordomucho
12-06-2016, 08:23 PM
what? 10 chars

WJCO
12-06-2016, 08:29 PM
233550........

WJCO
12-06-2016, 08:54 PM
Perhaps you, or we, can come up with a Simple solution. Back in 1979, I was working in aircraft aviation for National Air Lines, when I owned my first Jeep "Renegade (CJ-5 ) and designed my own system with Aircraft Circuit Breakers- activation panel for all systems, including a Security element/ code built in to the bottom Panel I designed, located on the bottom of my front- center- panel.

Please advise,
Rocky-AKA- ELBRAVO.


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Your post is a little confusing, but we already have an advertiser here to handle a switching system, if that's what you're getting at. Please feel free to check out Painless Performance: http://wayalife.com/member.php?20782-Painless-Performance.

SilverBack775
05-10-2017, 03:25 PM
Wow! Unbelievable! The nerve of some people to try to pimp their product and hide their identity. Did they think they couldn't get caught? And Eddie is a computer dude and knows his shit. I will be looking at painless wiring now. Of course, painless has been around awile anyway. Thanks Eddie for all that you do!


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I.Y.A.M.Y.A.S.
11-03-2017, 02:04 PM
I know this is an old thread, but...

Not a stranger to WAYALIFE by any means. Dedicated YouTube follower for I dont know how long. However, this is my first reason to post on the forum. Ive been on the other forums for years, but have moved here in recent days. Thank you very much for preventing me from wasting my money on an overpriced accessory like the sPODs. Ive struggled with the idea of buying it for a long while. I was just about to, then did one last bit of research and came across this thread. So glad I did. Honesty/integrity should be a core value of every company out there. It should be a core value of every person, but we all know how that goes.

Again, thanks for sticking to your own values. Ill be giving the little guys my business, unless the DIY proves easy enough.


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DRCRAWL
11-11-2017, 10:30 AM
I was totally looking to buy two of these.

Clearskies
04-28-2019, 01:23 AM
Really wish I had seen this before I bought one..... I hate liars