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wayoflife
10-01-2015, 03:03 PM
While all this is still hearsay, I think there is a lot of merit to what we're starting to hear more and more about and that's the all new Jeep JL Wrangler will NOT come with a traditional removable top as we know it. Instead, we will most likely see what is effectively a hard top with removable panels. In an article just published on Car and Driver and written by Andrew Wendler, he points out that in addition to the folding windshield going way of the dinosaur (no real big deal), "the traditional soft top is gone,” and that “It appears to have removable soft panels over the substructure. The sport bar design is gone. It even appears to have built-in grab handles.”


We already know the folding front windshield will be replaced by a fixed unit. According to Allpar’s source, the traditional soft top will also disappear. Additionally, the sport bar is replaced by an integrated substructure, likely with at least four stressed mounting points: “The traditional soft top is gone,” the website’s source says. “It appears to have removable soft panels over the substructure. The sport bar design is gone. It even appears to have built-in grab handles.”

http://blog.caranddriver.com/2017-jeep-wrangler-top-centric-details-emerge/?ref=yfp

Of course, a lot of these changes are being driven by ever increasing government standards that Chrysler is trying to meet and certainly, we have seen recent examples of this on various Mopar Underground builds and the Jeep Renegade that features MySky panels (essentially what we're talking about here).

My question to you is, how do you feel about these likely changes to come? Will it matter to you or, will it be no big deal? Would love to hear what you all think.

jnabird333
10-01-2015, 03:12 PM
My question to you is, how do you feel about these likely changes to come? Will it matter to you or, will it be no big deal? Would love to hear what you all think.

Having not seen what this really means or what it will look/function like, I won't shoot my mouth off too soon. But honestly, It makes me not want a JL. The open top is a VERY big deal to us. I don't care about the windshield, but the doors and top must be able to go.

Alana and I have every intention to either purchase a JL or the truck when released (depending on what we like more). The top will likely be the tipping point.

The sad thing is, I read this as a killer to the Jeep all together. Let's be honest. There are far better SUVs in the market for grocery shopping and travel. The reason we have a Jeep are the very things they are talking about removing. :doh: My confusion lies in the fact that if cars are so damn dangerous that these changes HAVE to be made, how the hell are motorcycles (in many cases without a helmet) still allowed on the road?

cozdude
10-01-2015, 03:13 PM
I think it's a mistake to get rid of the soft top. The convenience of it to be able to do it by your self with a soft top makes life so easy.

10frank9
10-01-2015, 03:14 PM
I am disappointed by the choice to deconstruct a Jeep Wrangler as we know it. May as well make them all 2wd and have the wheels tuck neatly underneath the fenders too.

MR.Ty
10-01-2015, 03:37 PM
Definitely don't mind the folding windshield going away. I am undecided on the traditional soft top. I never really used mine on my 09. The only huge benefit that will be lost is the fact that they are a lot cheaper to replace than a hard top.

jnabird333
10-01-2015, 03:42 PM
Definitely don't mind the folding windshield going away. I am undecided on the traditional soft top. I never really used mine on my 09. The only huge benefit that will be lost is the fact that they are a lot cheaper to replace than a hard top.

The way I read the article the top will not be replaceable. It will likely need body work to repair. Total bummer. I've had my top on more trees when off-camber than I can count. If I'm right about this... I would want an exo cage to go in the woods and I HATE exo cages.

wayoflife
10-01-2015, 04:14 PM
From what I'm reading and from what I have seen, it sounds like the roll bar as we've known it will be replaced with something that looks more like the B-pillar on the 4-door JK only on all 4 corners as well and across the top. Basically, the body will be complete all the way around but will have hard or soft panels that can be removed to open it up. I could be wrong though.

devonn216
10-01-2015, 04:29 PM
O no I hope it's not true!

jnabird333
10-01-2015, 04:31 PM
If I were a gambling man.... Bestop (who makes the current tops for Jeep) likely developed their new Pro series based on concepts for the JL.

I find it humorous that we are supposed to believe many of these things are not more concrete by now. The machines for manufacturing often have a 6-12 month lead time, followed by several months debug and improvements. This can only happen AFTER the design work is done. We are past he deadline for the release date. I personally believe all this IS known and they are just spoon feeding us to soften the blow. (Kinda' like the government is doing with Aliens :crazyeyes::cheesy:) <-sarcasm

wayoflife
10-01-2015, 04:34 PM
If I were a gambling man.... Bestop (who makes the current tops for Jeep) likely developed their new Pro series based on concepts for the JL.

I find it humorous that we are supposed to believe many of these things are not more concrete by now. The machines for manufacturing often have a 6-12 month lead time, followed by several months debug and improvements. This can only happen AFTER the design work is done. We are past he deadline for the release date. I personally believe all this IS known and they are just spoon feeding us to soften the blow. (Kinda' like the government is doing with Aliens :crazyeyes::cheesy:) <-sarcasm

:cheesy: I think you're spot on with the Bestop Pro Series top and that we're being spoon fed information to soften the blow.

jnabird333
10-01-2015, 04:37 PM
:cheesy: I think you're spot on with the Bestop Pro Series top and that we're being spoon fed information to soften the blow.

What about the Aliens? :idontknow: :cheesy:

MTG
10-01-2015, 04:42 PM
What about the Aliens? :idontknow: :cheesy:

Is it the Unions fault? :idontknow:

jnabird333
10-01-2015, 04:43 PM
Is it the Unions fault? :idontknow:

NICE! Now that's funny shit! (I deserve it too) :yup:

wayoflife
10-01-2015, 04:49 PM
What about the Aliens? :idontknow: :cheesy:

You mean what they're trying to do with immigration reform? :crazyeyes:

(i'm kidding of course)

Ddays
10-01-2015, 05:00 PM
Losing the removable top would be a damn shame, folding windshield, meh, but what about removable doors? Those gone too? If that's the case it's no longer a Wrangler. Gonna be huge rush on 2017's! Get your orders in early!

Gadget
10-01-2015, 05:04 PM
What about the Aliens? :idontknow: :cheesy:

Aliens have been here since long before Roswell, that crash was the result of a drunken alien frat party.

jnabird333
10-01-2015, 05:07 PM
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Sharkey
10-01-2015, 05:20 PM
I don't care about a folding windshield, but a removable top (or substantially all of the top like the old K5 Blazers) and removable doors, are a huge selling point for me. If they make a Jeep too much like other normal SUV's on the market, I might be inclined to look more closely at those other SUV's.

JerseyJK
10-01-2015, 05:26 PM
Who knows, I guess I'll have to see it to get a better perspective. The removable top is just as important to me as the removable doors. I love being able to ride around in my jeep and feel like I'm on my Harley. Without that option, I would most likely go to a more traditional route and buy a nice convertible sports car. Maybe the new corvette. Hmmmmm.

Especially when you look at the side by side market. It's like owning a jeep but for off-road only. Plenty to think about.

JakeJK
10-01-2015, 05:43 PM
If only there were a few men writing these rules and regulations not a bunch of bitch boys...

Taking the top off is 80% of the reason I bought my jeep, if it wasn't removable I undoubtedly would've just bought a truck and been done with it.

JakeJK
10-01-2015, 05:44 PM
Who knows, I guess I'll have to see it to get a better perspective. The removable top is just as important to me as the removable doors. I love being able to ride around in my jeep and feel like I'm on my Harley. Without that option, I would most likely go to a more traditional route and buy a nice convertible sports car. Maybe the new corvette. Hmmmmm.

Especially when you look at the side by side market. It's like owning a jeep but for off-road only. Plenty to think about.

I'm pretty sure RZRS are street legal if you add a rear view mirror and windshield but I could be wrong

Edit: and blinkers and a windshield wiper

JerseyJK
10-01-2015, 06:06 PM
I'm pretty sure RZRS are street legal if you add a rear view mirror and windshield but I could be wrong

Edit: and blinkers and a windshield wiper

I would think it would need to pass a highway safety crash test amongst other things. I like the Hatfield McCoy trails in West Virginia. You're allowed to ride on the roads around the trails and towns that make up the entire network. Pretty amazing off-roading and sightseeing.

jnabird333
10-01-2015, 06:11 PM
throw one of these on the back and keep it below 25mph and just about anything is legal :yup:

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hbkid22
10-01-2015, 07:25 PM
I may be misreading but the top wont even be changeable? If the factory does not come with a soft top, no big deal as I will buy a soft top but if I cannot put a soft top on aftermarket then no thank you....:eek:

mcw*402
10-01-2015, 08:00 PM
I think I'll just keep my JKUR.....it sounds like the JL won't be a Wrangler

Galo
10-01-2015, 08:38 PM
Personally, I like the top and doors off and the windshield down. But then again, I'm old.
Not that I am in the market for a new Jeep, but if the above is true, I'm out. There are plenty of Jeeps out there for me that meet my requirements, - and there will be for a long time.

Good Day and God Bless.

Galo

Jk909
10-01-2015, 09:05 PM
If they don't have a removable top and we all stop buying jeeps what are we going to do with all of our money lol.

Linebacker
10-01-2015, 09:13 PM
I am disappointed by the choice to deconstruct a Jeep Wrangler as we know it. May as well make them all 2wd and have the wheels tuck neatly underneath the fenders too.

Please don't give the Gummint any more ideas.:grayno:

rob_p
10-01-2015, 09:16 PM
I'll hold judgement until we know more maybe they will come up with an innovative solution but a soft top is a key and fundamental feature for me. I want to be more open rather than less, take away the B pillar! Don't add a rear one!

Wardell
10-01-2015, 09:42 PM
I think I'll just keep my JKUR.....it sounds like the JL won't be a Wrangler

Honestly, the more I hear about the features they are changing on the JL, the more I'm thinking the same thing. Without a removable roof that can be switched with a convertable soft top, as well as removable doors*, it's just not a Wrangler. Which is not to say it will be a bad Jeep, but it just won't have the same iconic character we have all come to appreciate in the Wrangler's design.

In fact, if the KL didn't already have the name, I'd say the JL should really be called a Cherokee. I might change my mind whenever I finally get to see how the body is styled, but it's key features are just sounding more and more reminiscent of a XJ than a JK, TJ, YJ or any CJ.

* I put a star beside the door comment, because from everything I've heard I was pretty sure they will still be removable. In fact, I thought Eddie posted the link to an article showing how a new hinge patent that is probably for the JL would allow them to be removable but not swing open all the way and let the mirror ding the cowling.

aaronstephen
10-01-2015, 09:48 PM
I think I'll just keep my JKUR.....it sounds like the JL won't be a Wrangler

That's exactly what I was thinking. Maybe they should remove the name Wrangler altogether.

Wardell
10-01-2015, 09:52 PM
I'm pretty sure RZRS are street legal if you add a rear view mirror and windshield but I could be wrong

Edit: and blinkers and a windshield wiper

Something that might interest you, up here in the Northwest Territories RZRs and quads are street legal even without all that. You do have to register them as an "off road vehicle," but that only means you can't drive them in certain areas downtown. People here commute on them all the time. Same thing applies to Jeeps that are so heavily modified that they wouldn't be road legal down south.

JamesWyatt
10-02-2015, 03:02 AM
The quoted article refers to an Allpar web page that predates the Las Vegas show Wrangler-reveal to dealers by a few days (compare the "last updated" box to the show dates). That Allpar page is a Franken-mix of info spliced from various sources over a long period of time. They got lazy I guess and stopped updating that specific page on Aug 24. The info below IS in other places on their site/forums, though.

The dealers interviewed after SEEING IT didn't say the soft top would stay in its current form, only that there would still be a soft top option. It could be that a soft top panel systems fits that description, though I doubt the substructure will be visible in between the panels (like the B-pillar is now visible between the doors). The half doors remain an option, which means if the soft top is moving to a panel system, then the half door uppers must be stiff panels, too, which will at least kill the buffeting and may allow for a sliding hard window. I'm going to go out on a limb and say there may be stiff panels on the sides but the top will still fold back somehow. It will probably be (as has already been stated) very much like the new Bestop Trektop Pro - after all, Bestop manufacturers the current soft tops for Jeep, so it only makes sense the Pro is telling us something about what's coming on the JL. Regarding the windshield: the report after the Vegas show was the folding windshield stays, but it has been redesigned.

But let's not forget the best bit of information about the JL from the dealers that saw it - it will have a smaller but VERTICAL grill like the TJ. I'm guessing the smaller grill means a more narrow front with swooping quarter panels for better aerodynamics.

crowrb29
10-02-2015, 06:49 PM
I love having a soft top and haven't really missed my hardtop at all since I switched. The way I see it it's just too big a part of the wrangler for them to totally forsake it.

Zstairlessone
10-02-2015, 10:20 PM
They can't / won't make a topless Jeep but they will do and will make a 200 convertible??????

If the top doesn't come off my next purchase won't be another Wrangler, but a motorcycle or sports car convertible like a Vette or Camaro.

Sad days indeed

crowrb29
10-04-2015, 03:08 PM
FWIW the guy in charge of the best top booth at the Offroad Expo told me they already have production soft tops for the JL

MR.Ty
10-04-2015, 03:12 PM
FWIW the guy in charge of the best top booth at the Offroad Expo told me they already have production soft tops for the JL

I would get your hope up just because of that. It could be similar to the retractable soft tops like the have on the Fiats. Which, if you've never seen it, is basically a sun roof but cloth. :crazyeyes:

jeeeep
10-04-2015, 09:53 PM
my 2010 could already be a classic with it's removable top and folding windshield!

hmmm let's start the bidding at 100K! :cheesy:

I haven't put a windshield down on a Jeep since my CJ, the current ones are such a PIA to lay down it's not going to be missed.

The top however may be depending on how the "convertible" regulations affect the Jeep brand and ease of removing, swapping and the likes.

jeep4me
10-05-2015, 02:06 AM
If only there were a few men writing these rules and regulations not a bunch of bitch boys...

Taking the top off is 80% of the reason I bought my jeep, if it wasn't removable I undoubtedly would've just bought a truck and been done with it.

Exactly. Cant take the top off don't want it.