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JakeJK
11-04-2015, 01:09 AM
So whenever I'm turning from left to right and right to left while driving my steering wheels sort of pops when it gets to the middle, it only happens when i change the direction that I'm turning, so if I'm turning right then I'm straightening back up the wheels it will sort or pop the second start straightening it up. I know I saw a thread on this before but can't find it, if anyone can give me some ideas, or point me to the tread if they remember it it would be most appreciated!

Thanks.

toxicwaste29
11-04-2015, 02:09 AM
Use the search function. There are tons of things it could be. I would start by shaking the wheel back and worth and having someone look at the front end for bad joints such as drag link or tie rod

Johnny Krawl
11-04-2015, 03:25 AM
Check your track bar bolts. I only say that because I've seen the bolts not torqued and allowing it to move in its saddle during turning maneuvers.

Devallee
11-04-2015, 03:27 AM
Like stated above, jack it up and have someone else turn the wheel back and forth while you check for anything loose in the steering. It could be tie rod ends. I had the same issue and my ends were shot so I ended up replacing the tie rod and no more pop. Also could possibly be in the steering box. Bad sector shaft or something, but I'd start by a visual inspection up on jacks. Good luck :thumb:

Edit: might as well get yourself a torque wrench if you don't already have one and retorque everything while you're under there just for giggles. It can't hurt and is a good habit to learn

JakeJK
11-04-2015, 03:32 AM
Check your track bar bolts. I only say that because I've seen the bolts not torqued and allowing it to move in its saddle during turning maneuvers.

I've tightened the track bar bolts to spec and the jam nuts as tight as I can get them, I can check them again though

JakeJK
11-04-2015, 03:34 AM
Like stated above, jack it up and have someone else turn the wheel back and forth while you check for anything loose in the steering. It could be tie rod ends. I had the same issue and my ends were shot so I ended up replacing the tie rod and no more pop. Also could possibly be in the steering box. Bad sector shaft or something, but I'd start by a visual inspection up on jacks. Good luck :thumb:

Edit: might as well get yourself a torque wrench if you don't already have one and retorque everything while you're under there just for giggles. It can't hurt and is a good habit to learn

I've only got a good 60ftlb torque wrench I have a cheap one that goes up to 120.. What's a good brand of torque wrench that I can get that'll cover like 50-250?

I'll jack it up tomorrow and check those things out, thanks

Also would the sway bar have anything to do with it? I've rocked the jeep and can hear a popping noise coming from my sway bar links, they're adjustable RK links I'm thinking maybe they aren't both the exact same size

WJCO
11-04-2015, 03:43 AM
I've only got a good 60ftlb torque wrench I have a cheap one that goes up to 120.. What's a good brand of torque wrench that I can get that'll cover like 50-250?

I'll jack it up tomorrow and check those things out, thanks

Also would the sway bar have anything to do with it? I've rocked the jeep and can hear a popping noise coming from my sway bar links, they're adjustable RK links I'm thinking maybe they aren't both the exact same size

I've had harbor freight torque wrenches and snap-on. Never had issues with any. So get what you can find. Sears may have a craftsman one too. Sway bar link joints can commonly create noise and popping. Disconnect them and see if the symptom goes away.

Devallee
11-04-2015, 04:59 AM
Yup any of those work ^ If you think it's a sway bar link, try rocking the jeep side to side and see if you can recreate the sound. I've had loose links and heard the same sound but that was more over bumps (up and down movement) not so much when turning. But can't hurt to check

Edit: just saw that you said you rocked it and heard the sound. Try tightening it up and see what happens. Just gotta hunt down the sound it may take a bit of time but you'll find it eventually

Pyro1415
11-04-2015, 07:30 AM
Mine had a similar problem it was the hubs. Big tires,Dana 30, love of speed bumps it happens. Make sure you torque your links under load and not with the wheels up.

cozdude
11-04-2015, 12:24 PM
Since you just recently installed your lift (if I remember correctly) then you should go under your jeep anyway and retorque the whole suspension while the jeep is on the ground.

JakeJK
11-04-2015, 04:33 PM
Mine had a similar problem it was the hubs. Big tires,Dana 30, love of speed bumps it happens. Make sure you torque your links under load and not with the wheels up.

Okay will do, I tightened them when the wheels were off I'll go retighten them with the wheels on the ground

JakeJK
11-04-2015, 04:34 PM
Since you just recently installed your lift (if I remember correctly) then you should go under your jeep anyway and retorque the whole suspension while the jeep is on the ground.

Yeah I did install it pretty recently, I'll definitely do that the hardest thing to torque down was the jam nuts on the ADJ track bar, I don't think that's the problem though so hopefully I can get rid of the problem re torquing everything

JakeJK
11-04-2015, 04:45 PM
I've had harbor freight torque wrenches and snap-on. Never had issues with any. So get what you can find. Sears may have a craftsman one too. Sway bar link joints can commonly create noise and popping. Disconnect them and see if the symptom goes away.

I might go see if I can get a craftsman somewhere

jeeeep
11-04-2015, 05:11 PM
I think it was mentioned earlier, but with wheels on the ground have someone turn the steering wheel while you watch from the front, you'll likely see what's not tight enough - usual culprit is the track bar

Also check your coils, make sure they are seated properly.

JakeJK
11-04-2015, 05:17 PM
I think it was mentioned earlier, but with wheels on the ground have someone turn the steering wheel while you watch from the front, you'll likely see what's not tight enough - usual culprit is the track bar

Also check your coils, make sure they are seated properly.

If so, would it be the bolt going through the track bar or what? Or would it be that the track bar is not adjusted long enough?

WJCO
11-04-2015, 05:37 PM
If so, would it be the bolt going through the track bar or what? Or would it be that the track bar is not adjusted long enough?

Would be worn track bar bushings or bolt holes on frame/bracket wollowed out. Very typical. Mine happened to be a bolt that had rusted so it never fully torqued down even when I thought I was tightening it. If someone cycles the steering and there is movement at either end, you have a problem. It should be tight.

WJCO
11-04-2015, 05:38 PM
^ You can do this test yourself with a video camera if you don't have a helper handy. Just film it and then watch the video.

jeeeep
11-04-2015, 07:12 PM
what WJCO mentioned - bolt going through

JakeJK
11-04-2015, 09:20 PM
Would be worn track bar bushings or bolt holes on frame/bracket wollowed out. Very typical. Mine happened to be a bolt that had rusted so it never fully torqued down even when I thought I was tightening it. If someone cycles the steering and there is movement at either end, you have a problem. It should be tight.

Hopefully the holes on the frame aren't wallowed out.. Got the jeep about 7 months ago with 49k miles
Bone stock, recently lifted it like 2 months ago and have only been able to take it off-road once since I lifted it I'm betting on it not being torqued all the way down

JakeJK
11-04-2015, 11:10 PM
Hey guys so i got up under it and everything seems tight... But I got my wheels off the ground and used a flat crobar (I think that's how you spell it)
And wedged it under the tire and got a little up and down movement. I will upload the videos to YouTube and can you guys let me know if this is not normal? I try to act like I'm mechanically inclined but I don't have much experience haha.

Devallee
11-05-2015, 01:06 AM
Sounds like it could be ball joints if you're getting play but I'm not sure that is the culprit of the popping sound but hopefully someone else will chime in. I just know I've never had any sounds from bad ball joints. Do you have any type of shimmy in the steering wheel or bump steer or anything like that while driving?

Devallee
11-05-2015, 01:08 AM
But either way no, that play is not normal and should be addressed. Probably bad ball joints but I'd keep looking for where the noise is coming from. Did you do the side to side test like we mentioned? Even if everything is tight, something like bad tie rod ends sound still make a sound when the steering is cycled

JakeJK
11-05-2015, 02:27 AM
These are the three videos i took while under the jeep, hopefully they can help with the diagnosis of the whats happening.

Thanks!

https://youtu.be/XJMGcJahcHc
https://youtu.be/FkW2ritZOG8
https://youtu.be/w_-CMgKxw80

JakeJK
11-05-2015, 02:32 AM
Sounds like it could be ball joints if you're getting play but I'm not sure that is the culprit of the popping sound but hopefully someone else will chime in. I just know I've never had any sounds from bad ball joints. Do you have any type of shimmy in the steering wheel or bump steer or anything like that while driving?

I don't feel any distinctive bumpsteer, its not really play from the 12 and 6 o clock angles or the 3 and 9 o clock angles, its more like the whole thing can travel vertically inside of the c's its hard to descrive hopefully the video may help.

WJCO
11-05-2015, 02:41 AM
I don't really see anything abnormal in the videos. Your ball joints have slight vertical play. The manufacturer probably has a pec for that. Did you examine the track bar joints and control arm bushings also during that test?

Devallee
11-05-2015, 02:43 AM
I've never seen that before but it definitely should not be doing that. Looks like it could be worn ball joints but I've never personally seen them move like that but I would address it sooner rather than later. Sorry I don't have a better remedy for you but maybe someone with more experience will chime in and could give a possible remedy. I'd say try to tighten that bolt at the bottom of the bj but if I remember correctly it has a pin going through it and I have no experience with that

Edit: beat me to it ^ haha

Devallee
11-05-2015, 02:45 AM
I don't really see anything abnormal in the videos. Your ball joints have slight vertical play. The manufacturer probably has a pec for that. Did you examine the track bar joints and control arm bushings also during that test?

The ball joints shouldn't have play like that though correct? Looks like a little more play than I would like

OverlanderJK
11-05-2015, 02:48 AM
I haven't read the whole thread but have you checked to make sure your stabilizer isn't hitting the diff when you turn? If your tie rod is bent slightly or the bracket has shifted it could hit your diff cover.

JakeJK
11-05-2015, 02:51 AM
I don't really see anything abnormal in the videos. Your ball joints have slight vertical play. The manufacturer probably has a pec for that. Did you examine the track bar joints and control arm bushings also during that test?

The track bar seemed fine, i still dont have that torque wrench though so ill need to get one to make sure the track bar bolt is tightened to spec, its only a few months old and only been on a trail once so i cant imagine the bushings have gone bad yet, its the RK adjustable bomb proof one

WJCO
11-05-2015, 02:59 AM
The track bar seemed fine, i still dont have that torque wrench though so ill need to get one to make sure the track bar bolt is tightened to spec, its only a few months old and only been on a trail once so i cant imagine the bushings have gone bad yet, its the RK adjustable bomb proof one

If it was tight during your steer test, it's probably fine. When it's loose, it's obvious. Also check wheel bearings, axle joints, steering box, steering shaft linkage. Can't think of anything else.

WJCO
11-05-2015, 03:00 AM
I haven't read the whole thread but have you checked to make sure your stabilizer isn't hitting the diff when you turn? If your tie rod is bent slightly or the bracket has shifted it could hit your diff cover.

^This too. Indeed.

JakeJK
11-05-2015, 03:01 AM
If it was tight during your steer test, it's probably fine. When it's loose, it's obvious. Also check wheel bearings, axle joints, steering box, steering shaft linkage. Can't think of anything else.

alright i will, hell maybe its just how a jeep drives haha this is my first one though

WJCO
11-05-2015, 03:02 AM
The ball joints shouldn't have play like that though correct? Looks like a little more play than I would like

Manufacturers allow a certain amount of vertical play. I don't know what the spec is for this vehicle, but they can go from like .020 to .125 in general for domestic vehicles. Regardless, that type of play shouldn't affect steering or cause a steering noise. Also, if there is vertical play, it's usually inside the ball and socket joint, so tightening it won't do any good.

WJCO
11-05-2015, 03:03 AM
alright i will, hell maybe its just how a jeep drives haha this is my first one though

It shouldn't pop like you described.

JakeJK
11-05-2015, 03:03 AM
I haven't read the whole thread but have you checked to make sure your stabilizer isn't hitting the diff when you turn? If your tie rod is bent slightly or the bracket has shifted it could hit your diff cover.

no it wasnt, it only happens when like slighly turning to the left as to avoid drifting into the curb, so usually when im going straight and when the steering wheel is at the center, but it didnt hit at full turn either when i was down there checking.

JakeJK
11-05-2015, 03:05 AM
It shouldn't pop like you described.

yeah i didn't think so either, its not an aggressive one but it can definitely be felt, i can also feel it in the gas pedal if that helps anything whenever it does it to the steering wheel it also does it to the gas pedal simultaneously.

jeeeep
11-05-2015, 04:55 AM
that seemed like a lot of vertical play in the ball joint, try removing the cotter pin, tighten it one open space on the nut then replace the cotter pin and see if it makes a difference.

WJCO
11-05-2015, 04:59 AM
yeah i didn't think so either, its not an aggressive one but it can definitely be felt, i can also feel it in the gas pedal if that helps anything whenever it does it to the steering wheel it also does it to the gas pedal simultaneously.

This makes me think it may be something in your steering linkage or gearbox. Can you duplicate the pop in your drive way or do you have to be moving? If you can duplicate it in the driveway, have someone duplicate it while you put your hands on the steering shaft and see if you can feel where it is the worst.

WJCO
11-05-2015, 05:03 AM
that seemed like a lot of vertical play in the ball joint, try removing the cotter pin, tighten it one open space on the nut then replace the cotter pin and see if it makes a difference.

JakeJK, I just re-watched the last two videos. Is the noise in the video the noise you're hearing? When I originally watched it, I thought that was just your prybar hitting something. I do see some play in the uppers, but still doesn't seem like it would make that kind of noise, if indeed that is the noise that you're hearing on the road.

JakeJK
11-05-2015, 06:44 AM
JakeJK, I just re-watched the last two videos. Is the noise in the video the noise you're hearing? When I originally watched it, I thought that was just your prybar hitting something. I do see some play in the uppers, but still doesn't seem like it would make that kind of noise, if indeed that is the noise that you're hearing on the road.

The popping (more of a feeling) in the steering wheel and the pedal are much quieter in the cab in fact they're barely audible but you can very much feel them, i couldn't get it to make any noise when I was under the jeep while it was on jack stands and my brother was turning the wheel so I checked the ball joints, since they have vertical play I'm thinking that the weight shift of the jeep when turning left and right may allow the wheel to raise up and hitting up against the c's a little causing that feeling (light popping) in the steering wheel. I will do what jeeeep suggested and tighten the bottom of them up tomorrow and hopefully it'll help some. If not, I'm afraid it may be in my steering box/gear box as you have stated.

I may have be being over dramatic when saying popping in the very beginning but I know something isn't right and didn't know how to describe it

Hopefully my theory makes sense and will solve the problem using what jeeeep said

JakeJK
11-05-2015, 06:48 AM
that seemed like a lot of vertical play in the ball joint, try removing the cotter pin, tighten it one open space on the nut then replace the cotter pin and see if it makes a difference.

I will try and get those tightened down and let you know if it helps, hopefully it will I'm not going to be able to afford to fix anything steering linkage/gear box related right now haha

Pyro1415
11-05-2015, 06:54 AM
Hey guys so i got up under it and everything seems tight... But I got my wheels off the ground and used a flat crobar (I think that's how you spell it)
And wedged it under the tire and got a little up and down movement. I will upload the videos to YouTube and can you guys let me know if this is not normal? I try to act like I'm mechanically inclined but I don't have much experience haha.

Ball joints. I recommend poly or if you will be upgrading axles soon just get the cheapest possible. Think it's moag?

OverlanderJK
11-05-2015, 03:13 PM
Ball joints. I recommend poly or if you will be upgrading axles soon just get the cheapest possible. Think it's moag?

Poly are synergy which are the same thing as U.S. alloy which are about $75 cheaper.

noroad
11-05-2015, 03:24 PM
Ball joints. I recommend poly or if you will be upgrading axles soon just get the cheapest possible. Think it's moag?

It might just be me but the quality of moag over the last couple years has been going down.

WJCO
11-05-2015, 03:48 PM
It might just be me but the quality of moag over the last couple years has been going down.

I concur. Seen several with premature wear and split boots not that far down the road after install.

jeeeep
11-05-2015, 04:07 PM
yeah, it's a shame moog used to be pretty good. If you need to replace the ball joints on a budget, get the HD Crown - they make 2 versions with the same product number, get the ones that end in HD

JakeJK
11-06-2015, 04:34 PM
I'm going to see if tightening them does anything when I get home from class, if not looks like I'll be looking to buy some HD crowns because I still haven't even been able to save up and buy tires :(

toxicwaste29
11-06-2015, 05:04 PM
I have heard bad from moog lately. I have had over 40k miles on my moog ball joints and luckily haven't had an issues with them. There tie rods ends though I have had issues but with a lifetime warranty I just take them to the store as needed and get them replaced for free.