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Beast SA
02-12-2018, 02:26 PM
Dennis and the guys from Teraflex are in South Africa for the week.
It’s going to be an honor to meet them tonight and be able to take them out on a South African and Swaziland offroad Adventure with Pierre Smith from All Offroad South Africa, Corne van de Merwe from Zone offroad South Africa and Reynard Cronje from eRG Lekker 4x4 adventures


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WJCO
02-12-2018, 02:30 PM
Dennis and the guys from Teraflex are in South Africa for the week.


Sorry to hear they're heading your way. We've had to deal with them for years around here. Good luck.

Beast SA
02-12-2018, 02:32 PM
Why is that


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OverlanderJK
02-12-2018, 02:35 PM
Lol is this serious? If it is it’s clear you spend literally zero time looking at anything but your build thread on this site.


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fiend
02-12-2018, 02:41 PM
Why is that


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Lots of people here don’t like TF because most of the parts are not made in the USA, are poor quality and fail, and TF product support is inferior.

Beast SA
02-12-2018, 02:46 PM
Smittybilt is also made in China.
We’ve had excellent service from Teraflex here in SA


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fiend
02-12-2018, 02:58 PM
Smittybilt is also made in China.
We’ve had excellent service from Teraflex here in SA


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In the US there are lots of other options for Jeep components than there probably are in South Africa. In the end, you gotta go with your experience based on the options available to you. If TF is your ticket, great.

BTW, how is the wheeling in SA? A place I’d love to visit some day.

wayoflife
02-12-2018, 03:16 PM
Smittybilt is also made in China.
We’ve had excellent service from Teraflex here in SA

I'm sure it's tough in a place like South Africa to get quality products but here in America, TeraFlex and Smittybilt aren't exactly known for their quality. They are known for being the cheaper alternative.

Beast SA
02-12-2018, 03:20 PM
In the US there are lots of other options for Jeep components than there probably are in South Africa. In the end, you gotta go with your experience based on the options available to you. If TF is your ticket, great.

BTW, how is the wheeling in SA? A place I’d love to visit some day.

Wheeling in Sa is awesome. We have a variety of terrain.
From dunes to mud to extreme mountain climbing and the scenery is just awesome


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wayoflife
02-12-2018, 03:58 PM
Wheeling in Sa is awesome. We have a variety of terrain.
From dunes to mud to extreme mountain climbing and the scenery is just awesome

I've seen tons of photos from your neck of the woods and it does look awesome. Too bad you're so far away. Oh, and then there's that ocean thing :thinking: :crazyeyes:

Ddays
02-12-2018, 04:59 PM
Is he bringing his helper? She would be worth stopping by and seeing! :brows:

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Sharkey
02-12-2018, 05:05 PM
TF should be easy to get in SA and I can imagine it saves money to have everything drop shipped from China. It looks like you have some amazing country out there. Just make sure you give Dennis some space if you follow him; you never when TF gear is going to break and you don't want to get hit with any bouncing tires. :thumb:

trailraider
02-12-2018, 06:08 PM
TF should be easy to get in SA and I can imagine it saves money to have everything drop shipped from China. It looks like you have some amazing country out there. Just make sure you give Dennis some space if you follow him; you never when TF gear is going to break and you don't want to get hit with any bouncing tires. :thumb:


He'll be safe as he would probably be leading the group, should maybe watch the rear view. lol next thing you know he wont be there.

TrailHunter
02-12-2018, 06:16 PM
Is he bringing his helper? She would be worth stopping by and seeing! :brows:

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The Rack on that Jeep is sooooo nice. Looks like it could take some abuse.

JeepJeep75
02-12-2018, 07:58 PM
The Rack on that Jeep is sooooo nice. Looks like it could take some abuse.

Indeed it does........ yes indeed.......hmmmm..


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CharlesC
02-12-2018, 10:29 PM
That is a nice rack. Yes indeed...


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WJCO
02-12-2018, 10:32 PM
You could put a lot of wood on there for sure.

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nmwranglerx
02-12-2018, 10:58 PM
The Rack on that Jeep is sooooo nice. Looks like it could take some abuse.

As long as the rack wasn't made by TF.


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fiend
02-12-2018, 11:58 PM
As long as the rack wasn't made by TF.


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That one looks American made.

JAGS
02-13-2018, 12:07 AM
Is he bringing his helper? She would be worth stopping by and seeing! :brows:

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Uh, no thanks.


The Rack on that Jeep is sooooo nice. Looks like it could take some abuse.


Indeed it does........ yes indeed.......hmmmm..



That is a nice rack. Yes indeed...


The rack might be good as it looks expensive and was probably financed.

But that angry grill is my biggest issue. I bet it'd look ok from behind.

Slavens
02-13-2018, 12:08 AM
Uh, no thanks.







The rack might be good as it looks expensive and was probably financed.

But that angry grill is my biggest issue. I bet it'd look ok from behind.
Didn't we meet her before a SundsNGrub?

Haha!!!

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Ddays
02-13-2018, 01:42 AM
Uh, no thanks.

The rack might be good as it looks expensive and was probably financed.

But that angry grill is my biggest issue. I bet it'd look ok from behind.

This help?

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JAGS
02-13-2018, 01:45 AM
This help?

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Wouldn't hurt. Lol.

WJCO
02-13-2018, 01:52 AM
Just remember: If the bag breaks, it's because you installed it wrong.

Edwrds
02-13-2018, 01:59 AM
Bring tools


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JAGS
02-13-2018, 03:17 AM
Just remember: If the bag breaks, it's because you installed it wrong.

In certain situations, it's best to just double bag it for safety.

longarmwj
02-13-2018, 03:02 PM
This thread went just as downhill, just as fast, as that for sale thread i derailed [emoji23]


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ctznarcane
02-14-2018, 04:23 AM
Personally, I've never had a problem with Tereaflex stuff, including their axles (I have their CRD 60 SF rear..zero issues after several wheeling trips over the past 2.5 years and 17k miles).

I've seen that they do source some of their finished components out of Taiwan for US assembly (spindles, etc) but their bearings are all Spicer.

If you were to pull up a satellite map of any company you might think makes American made products, it's a safe bet you're going to see ocean containers on their premises..and I don't mean the extra long stack-train ones either.

Just the way the world is.

Strike Force Zebra
02-14-2018, 04:34 AM
Personally, I've never had a problem with Tereaflex stuff, including their axles (I have their CRD 60 SF rear..zero issues after several wheeling trips over the past 2.5 years and 17k miles).

I've seen that they do source some of their finished components out of Taiwan for US assembly (spindles, etc) but their bearings are all Spicer.

If you were to pull up a satellite map of any company you might think makes American made products, it's a safe bet you're going to see ocean containers on their premises..and I don't mean the extra long stack-train ones either.

Just the way the world is.

Nope!!!!!!!!


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OverlanderJK
02-14-2018, 04:37 AM
Nope!!!!!!!!


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Lol


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notnalc68
02-14-2018, 04:47 AM
Personally, I've never had a problem with Tereaflex stuff, including their axles (I have their CRD 60 SF rear..zero issues after several wheeling trips over the past 2.5 years and 17k miles).

I've seen that they do source some of their finished components out of Taiwan for US assembly (spindles, etc) but their bearings are all Spicer.

If you were to pull up a satellite map of any company you might think makes American made products, it's a safe bet you're going to see ocean containers on their premises..and I don't mean the extra long stack-train ones either.

Just the way the world is.

The Made in USA mark is a country of origin label indicating the product is "all or virtually all" made in the United States. The label is regulated by the Federal Trade Commission (FTC).

http://www.themadeinamericamovement.com/american-made/know-the-difference-between-made-in-usa-and-assembled-in-usa/

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10frank9
02-14-2018, 04:49 AM
The Made in USA mark is a country of origin label indicating the product is "all or virtually all" made in the United States. The label is regulated by the Federal Trade Commission (FTC).

http://www.themadeinamericamovement.com/american-made/know-the-difference-between-made-in-usa-and-assembled-in-usa/

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That’s good to know. Thanks for sharing facts Clay!

notnalc68
02-14-2018, 04:53 AM
That’s good to know. Thanks for sharing facts Clay!

In other words, “USA Brand,” or, “Assembled in USA,” doesn’t mean shit, and a lot of companies use that to fool people.

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You can’t put that on just anything.

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piginajeep
02-14-2018, 05:07 AM
Personally, I've never had a problem with Tereaflex stuff, including their axles (I have their CRD 60 SF rear..zero issues after several wheeling trips over the past 2.5 years and 17k miles).

I've seen that they do source some of their finished components out of Taiwan for US assembly (spindles, etc) but their bearings are all Spicer.

If you were to pull up a satellite map of any company you might think makes American made products, it's a safe bet you're going to see ocean containers on their premises..and I don't mean the extra long stack-train ones either.

Just the way the world is.

That’s stupid this sounds? Do you know how many companies use those containers for storage?

Every American space ship company in Mojave, CA has shipping containers on site for storage or garage space. I will guarantee it’s not because they are getting Chinese rocket parts. I know of more than one Aftermarket Jeep company that use them for the same. 🙄.


PS, Teraflex is shit.

Ddays
02-14-2018, 11:26 AM
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah...................Just the way the world is.

^ Translation: I accept the fact that these companies are selling me cheap Chinese junk, cause, what the heck, nothing I can do about it. :idontknow:
It's not like I want to take the time to search out made in USA parts to buy. Who has time for that?

ctznarcane
02-14-2018, 03:44 PM
Wow...LOL...ok.

Search on Amazon for Made in USA stickers. It's not like they're only issued via special certifications...like say...ISO.

You can disagree with me and "nope" yourselves into a U-S-A...U-S-A chant followed by a hand-on-heart rendition of God Bless the USA with four-part harmony all you want because of my last post. I work in OEM automotive sourcing as a component BUYER for "US-made" goods and I'm telling you the whole Made in USA thing is not as cut and dry as you might think.

Take any US-assembled vehicle with driveline components coming out of Mexico. Then go to the WTO online system and look up the flow of sub-components flowing into Mexico by country. North Korea is Mexico's biggest source for bearings. The vehicle you chose likely has bearings from North Korea even though the driveline is from Mexico. Sickening, right?

Some aftermarkets are legit when they claim to be American made, some are just exploiting it. Just do your homework is all I'm saying.

I'm not saying TF is the best out there over anyone else either. I have nothing against Dynatrac or Currie. I'm just stating facts based on my experience that my TF CRD 60 rear axle showed up from Utah in a well-built pine and chip-plywood box and not one made from bamboo wood. The axle had all its tabs and brackets fully welded with consistant machining and coating and so far it has all worked out. The documentation was free from grammar errors, was printed on regular stock paper as good as what is in my copier (as opposed to that shitty rice paper like what comes with Harbor Freight tools).

BTW: Your JK and JL wiring is made in Mexico (Yazaki affiliates) and your ARB locker from your pure American made aftermarket axle that's bolted beneath it is actually made in Melbourne, Australia.

ctznarcane
02-14-2018, 03:45 PM
^ Translation: I accept the fact that these companies are selling me cheap Chinese junk, cause, what the heck, nothing I can do about it. :idontknow:
It's not like I want to take the time to search out made in USA parts to buy. Who has time for that?

Those who chose to be misinformed because facts are inconvenient.

ctznarcane
02-14-2018, 04:11 PM
That’s stupid this sounds? Do you know how many companies use those containers for storage?

Every American space ship company in Mojave, CA has shipping containers on site for storage or garage space. I will guarantee it’s not because they are getting Chinese rocket parts. I know of more than one Aftermarket Jeep company that use them for the same. 🙄.


Right...if the containers are either grounded (not on wheels) or they own the wheels they are sitting on.

Otherwise they are cycling out their 20', 40', and/or 40'HC "storage" containers and chassis every few days to avoid paying detention charges to the drayage outfit and/or the port.

And that would be stupid.

fiend
02-14-2018, 04:13 PM
Wow...LOL...ok.

Search on Amazon for Made in USA stickers. It's not like they're only issued via special certifications...like say...ISO.

You can disagree with me and "nope" yourselves into a U-S-A...U-S-A chant followed by a hand-on-heart rendition of God Bless the USA with four-part harmony all you want because of my last post. I work in OEM automotive sourcing as a component BUYER for "US-made" goods and I'm telling you the whole Made in USA thing is not as cut and dry as you might think.

Take any US-assembled vehicle with driveline components coming out of Mexico. Then go to the WTO online system and look up the flow of sub-components flowing into Mexico by country. North Korea is Mexico's biggest source for bearings. The vehicle you chose likely has bearings from North Korea even though the driveline is from Mexico. Sickening, right?

Some aftermarkets are legit when they claim to be American made, some are just exploiting it. Just do your homework is all I'm saying.

I'm not saying TF is the best out there over anyone else either. I have nothing against Dynatrac or Currie. I'm just stating facts based on my experience that my TF CRD 60 rear axle showed up from Utah in a well-built pine and chip-plywood box and not one made from bamboo wood. The axle had all its tabs and brackets fully welded with consistant machining and coating and so far it has all worked out. The documentation was free from grammar errors, was printed on regular stock paper as good as what is in my copier (as opposed to that shitty rice paper like what comes with Harbor Freight tools).

BTW: Your JK and JL wiring is made in Mexico (Yazaki affiliates) and your ARB locker from your pure American made aftermarket axle that's bolted beneath it is actually made in Melbourne, Australia.

The North Korea thing is interesting. I wonder if that’s true. What support do you have for that?

ctznarcane
02-15-2018, 03:39 AM
The North Korea thing is interesting. I wonder if that’s true. What support do you have for that?

Apparently none now. :doh:
The info I was recalling was from 8 years ago when I did a grad report on embargoes. I didn't think bearings would change that much but .. wow, now only 1%
I also realized I misspoke; Mexico was DPRK's largest western importer of bearings - NOT DPRK being Mexico's largest source.

Current view of DPRK and Mexican trade (still worth looking at): https://www.trademap.org/Bilateral.aspx?nvpm=1|408||484||8482|||4|1|2|2|1|1 |1|1|1
Fun to mess with if you want to look up other countries.

But none of this means that Terflex's axles suck as bad as everyone thinks. I will say that my negatives towards them include their selectable hubs and brake calipers/brackets/rotors being proprietary (shoes are just Dodge 1 tons). This makes getting parts a bit of a PITA. If TF has a falling out with a supplier, your Jeep doesn't roll. You are also held captive to their pricing on those parts.

Their lack of a 5.13 R&P option (damn super 60s) is also a downer. Everything else is pretty common (Spicer bearings throughout).
My guess is the outer assemblies are proprietary because of their attempt to fine tune the steering geometry required engineering everything lateral of the inner C.

At least with Dynatrac, the calipers appear to be OEMs from ZF/TRW so parts are pretty common.

Anyways..Dennis is in South Africa...I hope he brought water.

notnalc68
02-15-2018, 03:57 AM
Wow...LOL...ok.

Search on Amazon for Made in USA stickers. It's not like they're only issued via special certifications...like say...ISO.

You can disagree with me and "nope" yourselves into a U-S-A...U-S-A chant followed by a hand-on-heart rendition of God Bless the USA with four-part harmony all you want because of my last post. I work in OEM automotive sourcing as a component BUYER for "US-made" goods and I'm telling you the whole Made in USA thing is not as cut and dry as you might think.

Take any US-assembled vehicle with driveline components coming out of Mexico. Then go to the WTO online system and look up the flow of sub-components flowing into Mexico by country. North Korea is Mexico's biggest source for bearings. The vehicle you chose likely has bearings from North Korea even though the driveline is from Mexico. Sickening, right?

Some aftermarkets are legit when they claim to be American made, some are just exploiting it. Just do your homework is all I'm saying.

I'm not saying TF is the best out there over anyone else either. I have nothing against Dynatrac or Currie. I'm just stating facts based on my experience that my TF CRD 60 rear axle showed up from Utah in a well-built pine and chip-plywood box and not one made from bamboo wood. The axle had all its tabs and brackets fully welded with consistant machining and coating and so far it has all worked out. The documentation was free from grammar errors, was printed on regular stock paper as good as what is in my copier (as opposed to that shitty rice paper like what comes with Harbor Freight tools).

BTW: Your JK and JL wiring is made in Mexico (Yazaki affiliates) and your ARB locker from your pure American made aftermarket axle that's bolted beneath it is actually made in Melbourne, Australia.

“For a product to be called Made in USA, or claimed to be of domestic origin without qualifications or limits on the claim, the product must be "all or virtually all" made in the U.S. The term "United States," as referred to in the Enforcement Policy Statement, includes the 50 states, the District of Columbia, and the U.S. territories and possessions.”

https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/business-center/guidance/complying-made-usa-standard#standard

https://www.ftc.gov/system/files/documents/plain-language/bus03-complying-made-usa-standard.pdf

http://gdlsk.com/knowledge/97-failure-to-properly-report-product-origin-can-result-in-substantial-penalties.html

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There are stiff penalties in place. That’s why companies use the other terms I posted, earlier.

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wayoflife
02-15-2018, 04:28 AM
Here are just a few examples of TeraFlex quality:

https://wayalife.com/showthread.php/37869-Teraflex-Bad-rep-for-a-reason-or-isolated-cases
https://wayalife.com/showthread.php/4740-TeraFlex-Hinged-Tire-Carrier-Break
https://wayalife.com/showthread.php/4743-TeraFlex-Long-Arm-Bracket-Break
https://wayalife.com/showthread.php/5169-TeraFlex-Front-Track-Bar-Breaks

Regardless of where they "assemble" their products, the quality of them is hit or miss at best. If what you have is holding up, more power to you. With any luck, they'll continue to hold up.

DannyD
02-15-2018, 05:05 AM
I have teraflex coils and they have the ride quality of an old horse... Can't wait to get rid of them. Last Chineseium parts I'll ever buy.


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Sharkey
02-15-2018, 06:34 AM
Anyways..Dennis is in South Africa...I hope he brought water.

I, for one, hope he drinks as much local water as possible.

fiend
02-15-2018, 06:36 AM
I have the TF big brake kit. Thankfully I’ve had no issues with it. At the time it was the only option. I’d probably go with the Dynatrac kit if I were upgrading today.

monstrousmac
02-15-2018, 10:24 AM
I can tell you I know EVO MFg, is all done right here in the United States and they have outstanding customer service. Another company I know for a fact their parts are built right here in the United States is Rock Krawler. I know some people don’t care for them, but they helped my out a ton while I was stationed in Europe and gave me my x-factor 3.5 lift for a huge discount for serving overseas. I ordered the lift when I was in Afghanistan and Jeremy hooked me up. The reason I bought from Rock Krawler is because he is from upstate New York outside of Albany where I grew up. I have met him a couple of times and is a great guy. He gave me a tour of his manufacturing shop. So, definetly not made in China. Again, this is also why I buy EVO parts , made in the US and outstanding customer service and very helpful.

So, go be happy with your shittybuilt and Teraflex parts. I bought Teraflex parts once and did not even last a year. Complete crap.

JKU007FL
02-15-2018, 01:45 PM
These are 2 random videos of Teraflex quality control, they can't even put the right parts in the box:

Look at 7:40"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPmvUXE3Bw0

Look here at 3:10"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1wq9PJXhoU&t=212s&list=PLOwI43fd_sKmVZn3eVpEVWfk-MyMUy2AQ&index=18

Please delete my post if I'm breaking frorum rules posting the links.

Strike Force Zebra
02-15-2018, 02:33 PM
You can disagree with me and "nope" yourselves .........and I'm telling you the whole Made in USA thing is not as cut and dry as you might think.


My “nope” comment was specific to our products. And I think I would know if we weren’t made in the USA. Our Central Command has components that are made in China. It’s pretty damn hard not to find electrical parts that aren’t. The heart is assembled in Mexico (as Eaton makes it specific for us, to our specifications, and isn’t sold in the same configuration to the gen pop). We however build everything else and assemble it right here in Bountiful Utah. Our other products come from USA, and again assembled, piece by piece. There are no “shipping containers” on site. Just a guy trying to make a buck working his ass off, and trying to keep things in the USA.

We are approached every day by companies to do our parts OUS. Could we make more margins by doing so? YEP! But we choose not to. With regards to the other companies...... any other company...... no comment because it’s not my place. Jeep on!


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notnalc68
02-15-2018, 03:08 PM
We are approached every day by companies to do our parts OUS. Could we make more margins by doing so? YEP! But we choose not to. With regards to the other companies...... any other company...... no comment because it’s not my place. Jeep on!


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Thank you, for that!:usa::usa::usa:


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SDG
02-15-2018, 04:06 PM
My “nope” comment was specific to our products. And I think I would know if we weren’t made in the USA. Our Central Command has components that are made in China. It’s pretty damn hard not to find electrical parts that aren’t. The heart is assembled in Mexico (as Eaton makes it specific for us, to our specifications, and isn’t sold in the same configuration to the gen pop). We however build everything else and assemble it right here in Bountiful Utah. Our other products come from USA, and again assembled, piece by piece. There are no “shipping containers” on site. Just a guy trying to make a buck working his ass off, and trying to keep things in the USA.

We are approached every day by companies to do our parts OUS. Could we make more margins by doing so? YEP! But we choose not to. With regards to the other companies...... any other company...... no comment because it’s not my place. Jeep on!


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Agreed with that. Electronics is impossible to be made with USA parts. I work for a medical device company and we design our own PCBA's here is San Diego. We have them fabricated at a shop in San Diego with foreign parts as that all that available. That being said, we pay a pretty penny for USA assembly, a simple board costs us between 150 and 300 ea bought is 500 qtys. Doesn't leave much margin for 'consumer electronics' folks because not many will pay premium prices in that market. We can 'afford to do it because of quality concerns and niche market we are in, most simply cannot and expect to make any profit.

ctznarcane
02-15-2018, 06:23 PM
My “nope” comment was specific to our products. And I think I would know if we weren’t made in the USA. Our Central Command has components that are made in China. It’s pretty damn hard not to find electrical parts that aren’t. The heart is assembled in Mexico (as Eaton makes it specific for us, to our specifications, and isn’t sold in the same configuration to the gen pop). We however build everything else and assemble it right here in Bountiful Utah. Our other products come from USA, and again assembled, piece by piece. There are no “shipping containers” on site. Just a guy trying to make a buck working his ass off, and trying to keep things in the USA.

We are approached every day by companies to do our parts OUS. Could we make more margins by doing so? YEP! But we choose not to. With regards to the other companies...... any other company...... no comment because it’s not my place. Jeep on!


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:beer:

I work for an OEM and from my end, we have a large degree of importing in everything that we slap our name on. Economies of scale and needed capacity being the drivers because we are building hundreds of thousands if not millions of units per year for a customers with requirements to fulfill in various global locations. From the aftermarket side, I can imagine how things are viewed a wee bit differently because companies like yours build in smaller batch-type quantities (I'm guessing here) for niche customers (like..well...Jeepers).

I share your positions on keeping things close to home, I really do BUT I am also focused on quality/cost/payment terms/etc. I've seen US based suppliers be passed over for POs because they've dropped the ball too many times; even though the cost difference from a comparable central Asian supplier was not that huge. Crudely put: Company full of dumbasses wouldn't read the torque specs in the drawings; didn't even know what a newton was :grayno:. Indian company performed this better so..they won. Just sad.

I sometimes wonder where primary education as a whole has gone in this country because of stuff like that.

I love your JK doors BTW. How well is the water seal on those? I've been trying to avoid the $3k Mopar route.

Something else to play with if any of you find yourselves really (sigh..really) bored:
http://www.datamyne.com/importers

I was a little sad to see a few companies I like on there. I didn't find Dynatrac, Evo, or SFZ though.

notnalc68
02-15-2018, 09:20 PM
Something else to play with if any of you find yourselves really (sigh..really) bored:
http://www.datamyne.com/importers

I was a little sad to see a few companies I like on there. I didn't find Dynatrac, Evo, or SFZ though.

Nor Rock Hard 4x4, or LoD


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Beast SA
02-18-2018, 02:10 PM
Really thought that this forum was for all jeepers, but then the slandering and name calling of other companies and trying to say that only your sponsored EVO jk and only EVO is the way to go.
Grown men bickering like little girls.
This is my last post on your forum.



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WJCO
02-18-2018, 02:23 PM
Really thought that this forum was for all jeepers, but then the slandering and name calling of other companies and trying to say that only your sponsored EVO jk and only EVO is the way to go.
Grown men bickering like little girls.
This is my last post on your forum.




:thinking:

I just looked through this entire thread and only found one mention of EVO and the poster DID NOT say that EVO was the only way to go.

But since that's all that you got out of it, I'm sure you and Dennis will become best buddies. :beer:

TrailHunter
02-18-2018, 02:24 PM
Really thought that this forum was for all jeepers, but then the slandering and name calling of other companies and trying to say that only your sponsored EVO jk and only EVO is the way to go.
Grown men bickering like little girls.
This is my last post on your forum.



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Seemed informative to me... once you read through the humor. Sarcasm isn’t for everyone I guess. Good luck with your Build.... and Stay Gold Pony Boy... Stay Gold.

notnalc68
02-18-2018, 02:36 PM
Really thought that this forum was for all jeepers, but then the slandering and name calling of other companies and trying to say that only your sponsored EVO jk and only EVO is the way to go.
Grown men bickering like little girls.
This is my last post on your forum.



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Really? Here are Wayalife’s comments directed at you.

293573
293574

I saw a bunch of kidding around, by members, until ctznarcane jumped in, then the comments were directed at him.


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10frank9
02-18-2018, 03:48 PM
Really thought that this forum was for all jeepers, but then the slandering and name calling of other companies and trying to say that only your sponsored EVO jk and only EVO is the way to go.
Grown men bickering like little girls.
This is my last post on your forum.



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Darn another well established member taking time to get offended by the forum and make it a point to tell everyone they are leaving.


What shall we do??? :cheesy:

JAGS
02-18-2018, 04:07 PM
You guys are so mean. [emoji6]


:thinking:

I just looked through this entire thread and only found one mention of EVO and the poster DID NOT say that EVO was the only way to go.

But since that's all that you got out of it, I'm sure you and Dennis will become best buddies. :beer:


Seemed informative to me... once you read through the humor. Sarcasm isn’t for everyone I guess. Good luck with your Build.... and Stay Gold Pony Boy... Stay Gold.


Really? Here are Wayalife’s comments directed at you.

293573
293574

I saw a bunch of kidding around, by members, until ctznarcane jumped in, then the comments were directed at him.


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Darn another well established member taking time to get offended by the forum and make it a point to tell everyone they are leaving.


What shall we do??? :cheesy:

What exactly do people think they are signing up for. It's an Internet forum for god's sake. Maybe you'll learn something. Maybe you'll meet some cool people. Maybe make a few friends. Maybe not for some. Feel sorry for those who can't adapt to these facts and stick it out. They are missing out.

notnalc68
02-18-2018, 04:14 PM
You guys are so mean. [emoji6]









What exactly do people think they are signing up for. It's an Internet forum for god's sake. Maybe you'll learn something. Maybe you'll meet some cool people. Maybe make a few friends. Maybe not for some. Feel sorry for those who can't adapt to these facts and stick it out. They are missing out.

Exactly. There are going to be differences of opinion, and people poking fun.

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/3829042/lighten-up-francis-o.gif


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OverlanderJK
02-20-2018, 04:46 AM
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