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piginajeep
02-28-2018, 04:00 PM
Iím in the market for a new tow rig. Iím really debating on going with a manual. Whatís your thoughts ?

wayoflife
02-28-2018, 04:04 PM
They still make manuals? J/K :cheesy:

What rig are you looking at?

benatc1
02-28-2018, 04:07 PM
Manual will be much stronger and last longer (as a whole). I personally prefer a manual when Iíve towed. My truck has a auto in it now and itís totally fine but Iíve always preferred the ability to select gears. I know Auto is easier but I was searching high and low across the US for a 06 Dodge 6peed with under 100k and prices were rediculous. Ended up getting an Auto because of availability and price and itís worked out well so far.


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Stotch
02-28-2018, 04:16 PM
Iím in the market for a new tow rig. Iím really debating on going with a manual. Whatís your thoughts ?

Do it. Every vehicle is better with a man pedal :D

Omnifox
02-28-2018, 04:18 PM
I’m in the market for a new tow rig. I’m really debating on going with a manual. What’s your thoughts ?

I tow with a manual.

Just like with a Jeep, an auto is usually fine if not better... HOWEVER, you look and feel much MUCH cooler with a standard transmission.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHbGhEfnh2E

Seriously, how can you jam out to this in an auto? Though, with the fact I buggered up my knee in racquetball yesterday, I do kinda regret it. Nah... Not really.

piginajeep
02-28-2018, 06:01 PM
They still make manuals? J/K :cheesy:

What rig are you looking at?
Ram 2500 Cummins

piginajeep
02-28-2018, 06:03 PM
Manual will be much stronger and last longer (as a whole). I personally prefer a manual when Iíve towed. My truck has a auto in it now and itís totally fine but Iíve always preferred the ability to select gears. I know Auto is easier but I was searching high and low across the US for a 06 Dodge 6peed with under 100k and prices were rediculous. Ended up getting an Auto because of availability and price and itís worked out well so far.


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Did you look at Dennis Dillion Dodge in Idaho ? They have some great prices.

wayoflife
02-28-2018, 06:04 PM
Did you look at Dennis Dillion Dodge in Idaho ? They have some great prices.

LOL!! Idaho is where I got my Duramax. Tons of good deals there but you might have some issues getting it registered in CA.

Ddays
02-28-2018, 06:34 PM
Iím in the market for a new tow rig. Iím really debating on going with a manual. Whatís your thoughts ?

The older I get the more I like auto's. We recently picked up a '17 F250 auto. I personally think it makes the whole hookup/parking/manuevering process a helluva lot easier. My wife will also be hauling with it and while she grew up on a manual herself, its one less thing to have to worry about. It does have a manual selector on the shifter that's really easy and convenient to use if you need to shift manually or want to hold a gear.



Manual will be much stronger and last longer (as a whole). I personally prefer a manual when Iíve towed. My truck has a auto in it now and itís totally fine but Iíve always preferred the ability to select gears. I know Auto is easier but I was searching high and low across the US for a 06 Dodge 6peed with under 100k and prices were rediculous. Ended up getting an Auto because of availability and price and itís worked out well so far.

I used to agree with this but the newer auto's are pretty damn stout. I've heard of some of the Dodges having auto issues but then I really don't frequent truck/towing forums either. Too bad the Fords & Dodges don't come with that Allison tranny

piginajeep
02-28-2018, 07:04 PM
LOL!! Idaho is where I got my Duramax. Tons of good deals there but you might have some issues getting it registered in CA.

The new ones are California compliant 😬

fiend
02-28-2018, 07:16 PM
The new ones are California compliant [emoji51]

There should be a label in the engine bay re whether itís 50 state compliant or not. Possibly also determinable by the VIN, although Iím not sure about that.

BaddestCross
02-28-2018, 07:48 PM
In my experience, Dodge hasn't made a manual Cummins legal in California for years. Or at least that's what I was told when I was in the market for one.

Don't you already have an FC? 😎

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benatc1
02-28-2018, 08:01 PM
Did you look at Dennis Dillion Dodge in Idaho ? They have some great prices.

Yes I did actually look there, prices were good but not what I was looking for with low enough miles. Also I donít recall the right combo with a manual when I was looking. Ended up finding mine in Washington State.


The older I get the more I like auto's. We recently picked up a '17 F250 auto. I personally think it makes the whole hookup/parking/manuevering process a helluva lot easier. My wife will also be hauling with it and while she grew up on a manual herself, its one less thing to have to worry about. It does have a manual selector on the shifter that's really easy and convenient to use if you need to shift manually or want to hold a gear.




I used to agree with this but the newer auto's are pretty damn stout. I've heard of some of the Dodges having auto issues but then I really don't frequent truck/towing forums either. Too bad the Fords & Dodges don't come with that Allison tranny

I will give you that, definitely depends on the year and you are correct they have gotten A LOT better. Man a Allison combo with a Cummins would be delightful!!


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wayoflife
02-28-2018, 08:20 PM
In my experience, Dodge hasn't made a manual Cummins legal in California for years. Or at least that's what I was told when I was in the market for one.


This was my recollection as well.

wayoflife
02-28-2018, 08:20 PM
Too bad the Fords & Dodges don't come with that Allison tranny

One of the reasons why we ended up getting a GMC.

Exodus Jeeps
02-28-2018, 10:58 PM
Too bad the Fords & Dodges don't come with that Allison tranny

I used to have a Duramax for this reason. The new transmissions are pretty good though, at least on the Fords. The older E4ODís sucked but theyíve come a long ways since them. I wouldnít have any hesitation buying one nowadays.


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Remlap
02-28-2018, 11:09 PM
Ram 2500 Cummins

I have a 2017 Ram 2500 Cummins with a manual transmission, love that goddamn stick shift rig im keeping it forever.

I load up a 2500lb truck camper on the bed and flat tow jkur with it - 35ís, full set rockhard steel skids, full rockhard cage, winch etc so pretty heavy I guess and then we pile all sorts of shit in it when towing.

I did not want to add supplemental brakes to the Jeep so I thought a manual in conjunction with exhaust brake would do the job, which it does very well. Been all over Rocky Mtns and even an emergency stop, no problemo, hardly ever even use brakes for most situations and gives me something to do on long hauls because pushing buttons to shift is gay.

Now for all I know some auto transmissions diesels have more effective exhaust brakes, but my last truck was a 13í Duramax with auto transmission and exhaust brake hardly did shit. Was a nice truck but would definetly want supplemental brakes on the Jeep with that setup as unnecessarily downshifting with the gay button simply over revved truck and made me look stupid, if it even let me do it that is but maybe I just didn't use the gay button right, fucking hated that gayass button.

Sidenote on manual Cummins though if you are not aware - they are detuned for the G56 transmission and from what Iíve heard a new clutch is in order for any performance enhancements, supposedly as little as 30hp increase can cause stock clutch slippage.

Not a huge concern to me as Iím in no hurry, truck hauls like a beast but is not fast at all like the new pussy autos seem to be, oh well.

Now Iím not sure about older ones but thatís how mine is. Also has some sort of bullshit torque converter that in some instances has dumped power on me if I dont shift it like it wants me too, lots of people really complain about this but Iíve only noticed a few times into fourth gear with an awkward high revved shift.

Just kind of takes getting used too, but so much fun to lock rear axle, get turbo spooliní and dump clutch in second gear leaving two 50ft patches haha, that should fetch me a new clutch soon enough and probably change my own tune on the performance upgrades.

Bonus - 35ís fit on these trucks without rubbing on 2Ē leveling kit, love this truck keeping it forever just like the Jeep.

TrailHunter
02-28-2018, 11:23 PM
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12.5 years strong with my Allison, but If I had to do it again right now... Iíd probably buy a Dodge with the Cummins. The IFS is the weak link on the Chevyís. I vote Automatic.

Edit: I think you can get the Aisin Trans in the 3500 Dodge/Cummins.

jesse3638
03-01-2018, 12:39 AM
There should be a label in the engine bay re whether itís 50 state compliant or not. Possibly also determinable by the VIN, although Iím not sure about that.

I remember my buddies 2000 Manual Tacoma had less towing capacity than the Auto. Not sure if that is the case with the Dodge. Also I know Kenworth offers an automated manual transmission. Its a computer controlled manual transmission. No clutch pedal or stick. True manuals in trucks are going the way of the dinosaur. I know when I purchased my Sentra last year their CVT had better fuel efficiency but the manual had 6 more horses..haha. OK I'm way off track now. What happened to your Ford?

13_gecko_rubi
03-01-2018, 02:00 AM
I remember my buddies 2000 Manual Tacoma had less towing capacity than the Auto. Not sure if that is the case with the Dodge. Also I know Kenworth offers an automated manual transmission. Its a computer controlled manual transmission. No clutch pedal or stick. True manuals in trucks are going the way of the dinosaur. I know when I purchased my Sentra last year their CVT had better fuel efficiency but the manual had 6 more horses..haha. OK I'm way off track now. What happened to your Ford?

The Cummins with the manual is detuned significantly to make the trans live. In a 2500 the only auto is the 68RFE which is plenty strong if you leave it stock. In the 3500 you can get the Aisin trans as an option and the engine is actually higher output with the aisin. The aisin the just as strong if not stronger than the Allison. They are very similar transmission designs actually.


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piginajeep
03-01-2018, 02:09 AM
The Cummins with the manual is detuned significantly to make the trans live. In a 2500 the only auto is the 68RFE which is plenty strong if you leave it stock. In the 3500 you can get the Aisin trans as an option and the engine is actually higher output with the aisin. The aisin the just as strong if not stronger than the Allison. They are very similar transmission designs actually.


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Damn it. Detuned is a bad word.

benatc1
03-01-2018, 02:38 AM
Damn it. Detuned is a bad word.

Just move to Nevada and drive whatever the hell you want!!


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HighwayTrout
03-01-2018, 03:04 AM
A friend of mine has a manual in his Cummins powered ram. Such a bad ass truck. Iím still a Ford guy though and would probably get an auto.

Info on a good dealer for you....
https://youtu.be/vIyBnq13sZM

piginajeep
03-01-2018, 03:43 AM
Just move to Nevada and drive whatever the hell you want!!


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Itís not a Nevada thing, sounds like itís detuned from the factory so the transmission doesnít get blown up.

piginajeep
03-01-2018, 03:44 AM
A friend of mine has a manual in his Cummins powered ram. Such a bad ass truck. Iím still a Ford guy though and would probably get an auto.

Info on a good dealer for you....
https://youtu.be/vIyBnq13sZM

Fart in a Folgers can 😂😂

benatc1
03-01-2018, 03:48 AM
Itís not a Nevada thing, sounds like itís detuned from the factory so the transmission doesnít get blown up.

Ya I gotcha, I know I quoted that comment but was more referring to the fact that you could tune it in NV and not CA.


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wayoflife
03-01-2018, 03:50 AM
So, what's wrong with the F250 you have now?

benatc1
03-01-2018, 03:52 AM
(I realize this isnít a truck forum) but is it more of a clutch issue with the new manual rather than an actual internal transmission issue? I know the newer trucks put out so much more power than ever before. And who wants to drive a detuned diesel??


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nbunga
03-01-2018, 03:56 AM
I would have said manual all the way until I had shoulder surgery the first of the year and had to drive my F-150 for the last two months while my jeep sat in the shop!

piginajeep
03-01-2018, 04:23 AM
So, what's wrong with the F250 you have now?

A couple things.

Its been rolling white smoke under load like a smoke screen behind Kit in the tv show. I think something is ready to let loose.

Random issues lately, glow plugs, sensors etc.

Also, I sold it to Carmax the other day. Some other sucker can deal with that lemon when it finally blows up .:idontknow:

piginajeep
03-01-2018, 04:26 AM
And who wants to drive a detuned diesel??


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Exactly, I'm very happy I posted this up and Gecko responded. I'll be going with Auto. I'm not buying a diesel to be slowed down by a manual transmission.:grayno:

BaddestCross
03-01-2018, 04:35 AM
Fart in a Folgers can 😂😂
Sounds like a Camacho commercial out here in Palmdale. 🤣🤣

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OverlanderJK
03-01-2018, 04:42 AM
A couple things.

Its been rolling white smoke under load like a smoke screen behind Kit in the tv show. I think something is ready to let loose.

Random issues lately, glow plugs, sensors etc.

Also, I sold it to Carmax the other day. Some other sucker can deal with that lemon when it finally blows up .:idontknow:

Poor sap.

See if you can find a two for one deal. But Iíll take a new power stroke or a 7.3.


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piginajeep
03-01-2018, 05:00 AM
Poor sap.

See if you can find a two for one deal. But Iíll take a new power stroke or a 7.3.


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7.3 was a great motor, it sounded good but didnít the power like the new trucks. Every ford truck I have owned has fucked me on maintenance issues.

I like the new 6.7 but I donít want to spend 4K to take the cab off for simple motor work. Fuck that

OverlanderJK
03-01-2018, 05:02 AM
7.3 was a great motor, it sounded good but didnít the power like the new trucks. Every ford truck I have owned has fucked me on maintenance issues.

I like the new 6.7 but I donít want to spend 4K to take the cab off for simple motor work. Fuck that

Four door long bed obs. [emoji533][emoji97]


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piginajeep
03-18-2018, 07:47 PM
The Cummins with the manual is detuned significantly to make the trans live. In a 2500 the only auto is the 68RFE which is plenty strong if you leave it stock. In the 3500 you can get the Aisin trans as an option and the engine is actually higher output with the aisin. The aisin the just as strong if not stronger than the Allison. They are very similar transmission designs actually.


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Thanks again for the info. I'm picking up a 2018 Ram 3500 with the Aisin next weekend. :clap2::rock:

jesse3638
03-18-2018, 08:17 PM
Thanks again for the info. I'm picking up a 2018 Ram 3500 with the Aisin next weekend. :clap2::rock:
Nice you'll love it. Single or dual rear wheel? Although we just put ours into the shop for some transmission warranty work. Hopefully it's just an isolated incident. It is a 2500 and not sure which trams it has.

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piginajeep
03-18-2018, 08:40 PM
Nice you'll love it. Single or dual rear wheel? Although we just put ours into the shop for some transmission warranty work. Hopefully it's just an isolated incident. It is a 2500 and not sure which trams it has.

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I went with the single rear. Itís a crew cab long bed 4WD. If itís a 2500, you have the 68RFE transmission.

TrailHunter
03-18-2018, 09:05 PM
Thanks again for the info. I'm picking up a 2018 Ram 3500 with the Aisin next weekend. :clap2::rock:

Great Choice!!! Congrats!

jesse3638
03-20-2018, 10:57 PM
Flex testing to see if the aftermarket undercarriage protection was still hitting the driveshaft and frame.

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A.J.
03-20-2018, 11:22 PM
Flex testing to see if the aftermarket undercarriage protection was still hitting the driveshaft and frame.

296943

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I saw a BLM Ford Raptor at fire camp a few years back. Not sure how he got that approved but he seemed to like it.


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jesse3638
03-20-2018, 11:29 PM
I saw a BLM Ford Raptor at fire camp a few years back. Not sure how he got that approved but he seemed to like it.


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Those got us into a lot of trouble..haha. They are flashy but are cheaper than the truck in the pic I posted..haha.

Wethy
03-21-2018, 04:02 AM
I went with the single rear. Itís a crew cab long bed 4WD. If itís a 2500, you have the 68RFE transmission.
I dont know how the leaf springs in the 3500 are but the 2500 rides very nice for a heavy duty diesel. Im sure youll enjoy it.

Nice you'll love it. Single or dual rear wheel? Although we just put ours into the shop for some transmission warranty work. Hopefully it's just an isolated incident. It is a 2500 and not sure which trams it has.

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My brothers went into the dealer a few months ago for his tranny on his 2500 cummins because the clutches were slipping in sixth gear(if i recall thats why) and they wouldnt warranty it here in Ontario because he had a programmer. He Ended up building it up with suncoast parts i believe. Its Unfortunate but from what he told me that was an issue thats happened alot in the 2500s.

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