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rogerk93
08-08-2018, 10:06 PM
I got me teraflex 60s about a year ago and been pretty satisfied with them but about 6 months ago I noticed my rear driver side axle seal leaking a little. It wasnít much so I ignored it but now it is leaking pretty bad where you see it dripping from the dust shield. I donít think it is normal for the seal to go after the axle being 6 months old especially since for the past 4 months I bought a beater so my Jeep isnít even my daily anymore. Any pointers on replacing the bearing and seal?


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zimm
08-08-2018, 10:32 PM
Try teraflex customer support and see what they say. :thumb:

Are you on full float or semi float?

rogerk93
08-08-2018, 10:39 PM
Try teraflex customer support and see what they say. :thumb:

Are you on full float or semi float?

Semi float, I spoke with two different people from teraflex the first guy didnít have an answer to why. He tried to say I could of damaged the seal if I removed the shaft at one point but I told him I have not and his response was just the part number. The second guy tried to play it off and say itís a Jeep thing my Jeep is just marking its territory. But after going back and forth he said he will be sending me out a new seal but I havenít heard back from him yet.


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zimm
08-08-2018, 10:48 PM
I'm no expert on 60's (someone else will come along and chime in), but on semi float axles, usually the seal is inside a pressed on bearing and "wedding ring" so you're talking shop time if you don't have special tools and a bearing press. Here's the D44 axle seal on a semi float. They might send you a free seal, but buying a bearing and wedding ring plus labor is going to hurt.

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QuicksilverJK
08-08-2018, 10:54 PM
Same setup for the 60 semi float. Dynatrac 35 spline axles for the 44 use the Dana 60 seals.


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rogerk93
08-08-2018, 11:10 PM
I'm no expert on 60's (someone else will come along and chime in), but on semi float axles, usually the seal is inside a pressed on bearing and "wedding ring" so you're talking shop time if you don't have special tools and a bearing press. Here's the D44 axle seal on a semi float. They might send you a free seal, but buying a bearing and wedding ring plus labor is going to hurt.

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I really hope itís not pressed on the axle shaft, i canít find really any pics online to see if it is pressed with my setup. But I have seen some where it is pressed on the end of the axle tube and that would make life so much easier for me. Once I get the parts Iíll remove the shaft and see if I should cry or not. Lol


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zimm
08-08-2018, 11:12 PM
Good luck. When I finally get the funds together someday I'm going with dynatrac XD60's or the 60/80 combo. It's gonna hurt to ditch my 5 lug beadlocks for 8 lugs, but I hate semi floats. So awesome to have unlockable hubs front and rear.

rogerk93
08-08-2018, 11:24 PM
Good luck. When I finally get the funds together someday I'm going with dynatrac XD60's or the 60/80 combo. It's gonna hurt to ditch my 5 lug beadlocks for 8 lugs, but I hate semi floats. So awesome to have unlockable hubs front and rear.

If I can go back I would of bit the bullet and spent the extra money on full floats. Kind of hate myself now for going the semi float route all because I didnít want to buy new wheels and I ended up buying beadlocks anyways.


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rogerk93
08-11-2018, 08:18 PM
So after I got the part to replace the seal and bearing, I grab my tools, a ice cold beer and start taking things apart but as fast as I started is as fast as I run into a problem. One of The studs on the bearing retainer plate just spins freely, no resistance nothing just spins. I never took it off before so I know I didnít mess anything up. I have to tack weld the stud in place in order to get it to stay in place. Easy right, but unfortunately I do not have a stick welder to get in the tight space for me to tack it. I have to wait for a buddy to get home so we can use his and it started down pouring so I am just enjoying me beer staring at the stupid stud.


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rogerk93
08-11-2018, 08:55 PM
So was able to tack weld it and take the shaft out but another speed bump is that the seal and bearing is pressed on the shaft so I have to take it to a machine shop Monday was hoping it was in the tube and not the shaft


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QuicksilverJK
08-11-2018, 08:55 PM
That sucks. Are you pressing the bearings yourself, or do you need to bring the shaft somewhere to be reassembled?


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rogerk93
08-11-2018, 09:11 PM
That sucks. Are you pressing the bearings yourself, or do you need to bring the shaft somewhere to be reassembled?


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I have to take it to a machine shop for it to be put on. Was hoping to finish it today but guess my Jeep will be on jack stands for a few days.


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QuicksilverJK
08-11-2018, 10:44 PM
Bummer. Well enjoy your beer.


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rogerk93
08-12-2018, 06:33 PM
After sitting and thinking how can I press the seal and bearing while waiting I went to Home Depot came up with this high tech device and beat the thing till it went into place 308180 and I was able to finish the job. Feeling proud


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QuicksilverJK
08-12-2018, 10:48 PM
Very nice. If you had a pipe longer than the shaft you could hammer them in place. Removing the old one is the hard part.


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rogerk93
08-13-2018, 02:51 AM
Very nice. If you had a pipe longer than the shaft you could hammer them in place. Removing the old one is the hard part.


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It was easy removing the old ones I just cut them off. I took my time to make sure I donít touch the shaft. 308223


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rogerk93
08-29-2018, 07:50 PM
So Iím going through a little problem. I changed the seal and bearing with two new sets since I originally posted and the seal is still leaking and it has gotten worse. Any ideas on what the hell is going on? 309436


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JeepinLife
08-29-2018, 08:46 PM
So Iím going through a little problem. I changed the seal and bearing with two new sets since I originally posted and the seal is still leaking and it has gotten worse. Any ideas on what the hell is going on? 309436


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Thatís a good leak too.. how do the surfaces that the seal touches look? Any gouges, scratches or such?


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JeepinLife
08-29-2018, 08:47 PM
Also did you hurt the seal while installing it maybe?


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rogerk93
08-29-2018, 08:49 PM
Also did you hurt the seal while installing it maybe?


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The surface is clean and there is no damage to it, when I installed the set I made sure I was careful because I was tired of doing it over and over. It all looked good putting it together.


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BaddestCross
08-29-2018, 09:30 PM
The surface is clean and there is no damage to it, when I installed the set I made sure I was careful because I was tired of doing it over and over. It all looked good putting it together.


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Didn't you say you beat on it with a pipe until it seated? 🤔

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rogerk93
08-29-2018, 09:35 PM
Didn't you say you beat on it with a pipe until it seated? [emoji848]

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That was the first seal and bearing I installed. I had to take it apart again because it was leaking and they sent me a new set 20 kit so I got it pressed on the proper way. I also installed a new bearing retainer plate the second time around.


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zimm
08-29-2018, 10:56 PM
TERAFLEX! :rock:

Sorry I couldn't help myself. I do sincerely hope you get it fixed and let us know the outcome. :beer:

rogerk93
08-29-2018, 11:35 PM
TERAFLEX! :rock:

Sorry I couldn't help myself. I do sincerely hope you get it fixed and let us know the outcome. :beer:

Lmao I know I know, Im glad they are actually trying to help and not just brushing me off.


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QuicksilverJK
08-30-2018, 12:25 AM
Was the seal installed dry? Maybe debris or something cutting the seal?


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rogerk93
09-13-2018, 05:56 PM
So I ended up ordering a new axle shaft to solve my leak. After measuring run out the axle is actually bent so slightly it is hard to see. I couldnít even tell with the wheel on the axle but once taken off and measured it is actually off and teraflex says that is causing the leak. Hopefully this solves my stupid problem


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Ddays
09-13-2018, 06:08 PM
So I ended up ordering a new axle shaft to solve my leak. After measuring run out the axle is actually bent so slightly it is hard to see. I couldn’t even tell with the wheel on the axle but once taken off and measured it is actually off and teraflex says that is causing the leak. Hopefully this solves my stupid problem


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Is the axle shaft bent or is the flange bent? If it's the flange (which I'm willing to bet is the case) how would that cause the seal to leak? I've bent two flanges on my 60 and the seals never leaked before or after replacing them. :idontknow:

rogerk93
09-13-2018, 06:14 PM
Is the axle shaft bent or is the flange bent? If it's the flange (which I'm willing to bet is the case) how would that cause the seal to leak? I've bent two flanges on my 60 and the seals never leaked before or after replacing them. :idontknow:

Itís bent at the flange and the shaft itself is bent. But the shaft is bent so little you canít even see it by eye. I still donít think the leak has anything to do with it but the guy who I have been dealing with is convinced it is the cause of the leak so I ordered a new shaft for a discounted price. Before I ordered the shaft I asked what if it still ends up leaking and he said if it still leakes then he will have to consider that there is a problem with the axle itself.


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QuicksilverJK
09-13-2018, 06:15 PM
^^thats what I was wondering too. I have a bent flange on my Dynatrac 35 splines enough to see the brake caliper move side to side while spinning, (I haven't checked actual runout) but it doesn't leak. I have caused leaks by driving too hard (thinking axle deflection) but once I replace the seal I'm usually fine.


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rogerk93
09-13-2018, 06:25 PM
^^thats what I was wondering too. I have a bent flange on my Dynatrac 35 splines enough to see the brake caliper move side to side while spinning, (I haven't checked actual runout) but it doesn't leak. I have caused leaks by driving too hard (thinking axle deflection) but once I replace the seal I'm usually fine.


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While I was checking the runout I was looking at the seal to see maybe it was causing the seal to move or it was ripping it up and nothing at all, the seal is still brand new nothing is wrong with it.


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Ddays
09-13-2018, 07:39 PM
It’s bent at the flange and the shaft itself is bent. But the shaft is bent so little you can’t even see it by eye. I still don’t think the leak has anything to do with it but the guy who I have been dealing with is convinced it is the cause of the leak so I ordered a new shaft for a discounted price. Before I ordered the shaft I asked what if it still ends up leaking and he said if it still leakes then he will have to consider that there is a problem with the axle itself.


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Man, I hate to be the bearer of bad news Roger but running 40's on a SF axle is gonna be a frequent axle bender. I had a lengthy conversation with the sales manager out at Dynatrac a couple years ago regarding this subject and told me the same thing even though I'm running 37's. How he explained it was these JK's are getting pretty porky and when we start adding all of the goodies the curb weights are approaching full size pickup territory. I weighed mine at a CAT scale this Spring and Its at 6000# with me in it and all the shit I carry. :crazyeyes: For comparison, base curb weight on our F250 SD Crew Cab is 6400#! I carry a spare axle with me any time I go wheeling.

jdofmemi
09-13-2018, 08:05 PM
..... :crazyeyes: For comparison, base curb weight on our F250 SD Crew Cab is 3400#! I carry a spare axle with me any time I go wheeling.

Hmmmm
I thinking typo here. Surely you mean 6400#?

Ddays
09-13-2018, 08:25 PM
Hmmmm
I thinking typo here. Surely you mean 6400#?

DOH! Yes, 6400#. They ain't saving that kinda weight by going to aluminum!

rogerk93
09-13-2018, 08:25 PM
Man, I hate to be the bearer of bad news Roger but running 40's on a SF axle is gonna be a frequent axle bender. I had a lengthy conversation with the sales manager out at Dynatrac a couple years ago regarding this subject and told me the same thing even though I'm running 37's. How he explained it was these JK's are getting pretty porky and when we start adding all of the goodies the curb weights are approaching full size pickup territory. I weighed mine at a CAT scale this Spring and Its at 6000# with me in it and all the shit I carry. :crazyeyes: For comparison, base curb weight on our F250 SD Crew Cab is 3400#! I carry a spare axle with me any time I go wheeling.

Yea now I know that [emoji30], when I ordered my axles I was told that it would be enough. Teraflex makes a full float conversion for my axles but it is a little expensive plus I would have to buy new wheels and I just got my beadlocks. I would have to hold off for a little till I can sell my wheels and have the extra money to spare.


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OverlanderJK
09-14-2018, 02:42 AM
Itís bent at the flange and the shaft itself is bent. But the shaft is bent so little you canít even see it by eye. I still donít think the leak has anything to do with it but the guy who I have been dealing with is convinced it is the cause of the leak so I ordered a new shaft for a discounted price. Before I ordered the shaft I asked what if it still ends up leaking and he said if it still leakes then he will have to consider that there is a problem with the axle itself.


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Wow. Not sure who is more stupid, you or the guy you are taking your jeep to.


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rogerk93
09-14-2018, 05:19 PM
Wow. Not sure who is more stupid, you or the guy you are taking your jeep to.


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Lmao [emoji23] havenít taken it anywhere so Iíll say Iím the stupid one in this case haha.


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jorgelrod
09-17-2018, 12:47 AM
I have a bent flange on my Dynatrac 35 splines enough to see the brake caliper move side to side while spinning...[/url]

Wow, how did you manage that?

QuicksilverJK
09-17-2018, 01:10 AM
Wow, how did you manage that?

Got the telltale squeaking after a high speed desert romp where I might have hit a few bumps faster than I should have. Had a few pretty jarring hits that day actually. I try to keep in mind now that Speed causes more damage than obstacles. I have always had a problem going slow though.


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