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sipafz
09-08-2019, 03:05 PM
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Jeep Marketing is working its magic on me! My wife and I are about 8 years out from retiring. Since we will be retiring early at age 57/58 we will not have jobs of any kind in order to pull funds from our retirement accounts, penalty free.

Our plan is to purchase a rig, I hope similar to what is pictured above. The Truck would be a Sport S:

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Options related to towing, safety and cargo management:
- Max Tow Package

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- 3.6 Pentastar
- Auto Transmission
- Blind Spot Sensors
- Tonneau Cover
- Bed Liner
- Trail Rail System
- Aux Switches
- 7Ē Radio (for backup camera)

I hope the Max Tow Package includes this:

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The Airstream will be a 27í at 7,600 GVWR:

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Or the sightly smaller 25í at 7,300 GVWR:

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Or we could go even a bit smaller with a 23í at 6,300 GVWR:

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At the end of the day, we will get the Gladiator, because we both love exploring and want the ability to remove the top and doors while doing so. Iím really not interested in a different tow vehicle, so we will size the trailer to the truck getting the largest possible while still having some sort of confidence or safety margin.

That brings me to the reason for creating this thread. I hope to hear about your Gladiator towing experiences to help me make the best possible decisions. Please include the following information with your comments:

- Gladiator Details (ie Max Tow Package, etc. )
- Tow Weight
- Tongue Weight
- If Load Distribution Bars were used
- If Sway Bars were used
- If Brake Controller was used
- Ascents/Descents and Grade
- Additional Gladiator Upgrades you Have or Recommend.

Thank you in advance for your insight!

Chris

OverlanderJK
09-08-2019, 03:06 PM
Sport S for $50k?! No way. The Rubicon Iíve priced is $54.


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wayoflife
09-08-2019, 03:09 PM
Sounds awesome and fun to plan for the future like this. I can't speak for towing with a Gladiator or at least, not as of yet but when it comes to towing in general, I always find that it's nice to have a rig that is capable of towing considerably MORE than what you'd be pulling. But, that's just me.

sipafz
09-08-2019, 03:11 PM
Sport S for $50k?! No way. The Rubicon Iíve priced is $54.


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Meaning thatís expensive? It has more options that I didnít list.

HighwayTrout
09-08-2019, 03:14 PM
The lightest trailer is still heavier than the GVWR rating of the Jeep.

Honestly I think a Jeep is too small and underpowered for trailer life. But I understand the draw. I also would love one for all the same reasons you said.

OverlanderJK
09-08-2019, 03:16 PM
Meaning thatís expensive? It has more options that I didnít list.

Yes. Super expensive. Donít they start at like $36? I would be buying a Rubicon for sure if I was spending that kind of money.


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TrailHunter
09-08-2019, 03:30 PM
The lightest trailer is still heavier than the GVWR rating of the Jeep.

Honestly I think a Jeep is too small and underpowered for trailer life. But I understand the draw. I also would love one for all the same reasons you said.

I agree. Tow vehicles need to be min 3/4 ton w/ V8s. Not saying a Jeep wonít do it... but I think youíll kill it sooner than later. An offroad trailer like Brutes is the most Iíd be willing to tow with a Jeep, on a regular basis. It will be interesting to see how far these Gladiators get pushed to their towing limit... and how they hold up.

sipafz
09-08-2019, 03:46 PM
Yes. Super expensive. Donít they start at like $36? I would be buying a Rubicon for sure if I was spending that kind of money.


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The Towing capacity for the Rubicon is less than the Sport S with the Max Tow Package by 650lbs. Max Tow is not an option with the Rubicon.

I hear what youíre saying and I would like nothing more than to get the Rubicon model and I would, but my reality is I need to balance the truck capability with maximum trailer size so I can get a close as possible to having the best of both worlds.

Saying all that, the future may hold aftermarket options to increase tow capacity?

sipafz
09-08-2019, 03:57 PM
Sounds awesome and fun to plan for the future like this. I can't speak for towing with a Gladiator or at least, not as of yet but when it comes to towing in general, I always find that it's nice to have a rig that is capable of towing considerably MORE than what you'd be pulling. But, that's just me.

I hope we can get some combination of this to work. Shooting for the best of both worlds. The smaller trailer might be the way to go.

sipafz
09-08-2019, 04:22 PM
The lightest trailer is still heavier than the GVWR rating of the Jeep.

The Max Tow Capacity is 7,650 which is more than the GVWR of 6,250. Iím admittedly not a towing expert so what are you saying? Should the tow load be less than the GVWR? If so, why isnít the tow capacity the same as the GVWR?


I agree. Tow vehicles need to be min 3/4 ton w/ V8s. Not saying a Jeep wonít do it... but I think youíll kill it sooner than later. An offroad trailer like Brutes is the most Iíd be willing to tow with a Jeep, on a regular basis. It will be interesting to see how far these Gladiators get pushed to their towing limit... and how they hold up.

I guess thatís what a drivetrain warranty is for?

I get what you are saying, Iím just not interested in a full size truck. Then again, maybe Iíll trade the Jeep in after a month if itís that bad.

notnalc68
09-08-2019, 04:49 PM
If you are only going to tow once or twice a year, the 23í may fit the bill. If you are going to be a retired road warrior, either buy an RV and tow your JK, or buy a 2500 series pickup.


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TrailHunter
09-08-2019, 04:53 PM
I feel like these Mfgs are trying to get tow values up on Trucks by making them lighter.... My 18 F150 with the 2.7 is rated for 8k... My 05 2500HD durmax was rated for 9k. I would never tow the same shit with this Ford I towed with the Dmax.... In my experience, Heavy trucks with power simply tow the best. They feel planted on the road with the weight behind it.... and have the Torque needed to Pull. When towing with the right truck for the job... you feel safe and the truck feels at home with the load.

wayoflife
09-08-2019, 05:10 PM
If you are going to be a retired road warrior, either buy an RV and tow your JK.

That would make more sense to me.


I feel like these Mfgs are trying to get tow values up on Trucks by making them lighter.... My 18 F150 with the 2.7 is rated for 8k... My 05 2500HD durmax was rated for 9k. I would never tow the same shit with this Ford I towed with the Dmax.... In my experience, Heavy trucks with power simply tow the best. They feel planted on the road with the weight behind it.... and have the Torque needed to Pull. When towing with the right truck for the job... you feel safe and the truck feels at home with the load.

Yup, this ^^^^

Brute
09-08-2019, 05:20 PM
Perhaps downsize the trailer to something like a teardrop?...I feel we may be going this route when I approach the 70 yo mark to simplify camp setup...if youíre truly committed to a more comfortable trailer like an Airstream, get a full size pickup...

cozdude
09-08-2019, 05:23 PM
The max tow rating is there because at that limit it gets unsafe. NEVER tow what the max rating is. I always say 1500-2k less than the max rating is about the most you should tow. That rating is there for your safety and others safety.

benatc1
09-08-2019, 05:24 PM
Towning capacity for anything has to do with so many factors, power, stopping, weight of vechicle, airflow, ect... Just look at the much more powerful 3.0 eco diesel jeep on the way, cant keep it cool enough at those higher towing weights so it drops the capacity; Things to keep in mind when pushing the limits, it's not just about can it pull it. Shoot I remember my dads old suped up 97 powerstroke pulling a fully loaded 18 wheeler for about a mile down the road to his shop, it pulled it but probably would have burned the thing up if he had to go much longer.

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Jsouder53
09-08-2019, 05:38 PM
I love the idea of that setup! If towing power is an issue, get a basic sport and swap in a v8 :crazyeyes:

Dale72
09-08-2019, 06:46 PM
Remember that you have to add the weight of the stuff you put in the camper along with the trl. And you also have to figure the weight of the water in the fresh water tank

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wjtstudios
09-08-2019, 07:20 PM
I agree, itís great in principal. If youíre towing flat thru the Midwest, Iíd guess you will be fine as long as you keep your speeds down. If you are thinking of towing in the mountains and going east or west, youíll need a 3/4 or 1 ton to tow with. Last thing you want to do is burn your Jeep up going up a long grade.


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WJCO
09-08-2019, 08:19 PM
Meaning thatís expensive? It has more options that I didnít list.


Yes. Super expensive. Donít they start at like $36? I would be buying a Rubicon for sure if I was spending that kind of money.


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I'd have to look at ours again but I think we were at 39,900 (3% under invoice) not including tax. Sport S with max tow, cold weather group, and aux switches. I don't think we added anything else.

piginajeep
09-08-2019, 08:20 PM
The lightest trailer is still heavier than the GVWR rating of the Jeep.

Honestly I think a Jeep is too small and underpowered for trailer life. But I understand the draw. I also would love one for all the same reasons you said.

I agree, I donít even want to tow my trailer empty.


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HighwayTrout
09-08-2019, 08:22 PM
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The Max Tow Capacity is 7,650 which is more than the GVWR of 6,250. Iím admittedly not a towing expert so what are you saying?

Am I reading this wrong? The trailer you want weighs more than 7K. The Jeep is rated for 6 grand and change.

wayoflife
09-08-2019, 08:37 PM
Am I reading this wrong? The trailer you want weighs more than 7K. The Jeep is rated for 6 grand and change.

I'm reading it the same way.

Dale72
09-08-2019, 08:54 PM
Am I reading this wrong? The trailer you want weighs more than 7K. The Jeep is rated for 6 grand and change.I went back and looked. And that's what I read also

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OverlanderJK
09-08-2019, 08:55 PM
Am I reading this wrong? The trailer you want weighs more than 7K. The Jeep is rated for 6 grand and change.


I'm reading it the same way.


I went back and looked. And that's what I read also

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Lol reading is fun. 🤪

Not a single one of those trailers fits the bill for towing. All over weight and thatís probably empty too. Add another 1000 pounds for shit inside and water. Way over weight.


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Dale72
09-08-2019, 09:12 PM
Lol reading is fun. [emoji2957]

Not a single one of those trailers fits the bill for towing. All over weight and thatís probably empty too. Add another 1000 pounds for shit inside and water. Way over weight.


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wayoflife
09-08-2019, 09:14 PM
Lol reading is fun. 🤪

Not a single one of those trailers fits the bill for towing. All over weight and thatís probably empty too. Add another 1000 pounds for shit inside and water. Way over weight.

I'm not gonna lie, I've been finding the marketing by FCA regarding Jeeps to be pretty misleading at best to down right wrong lately. I don't know what the hell they're thinking but if they aren't careful, it's gonna bite them in the ass.

Dale72
09-08-2019, 09:14 PM
And for what you are going to pay for a airstream you can get a decent sized class C motorhome

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VerdiJeepLife
09-08-2019, 09:32 PM
I just bought a JT Sport S for my son on Memorial Day. It has tow package and soft top. Out The Door was 42k. So far he has driven it to visit the Grand Parents in Santa Barbara, CA and he seems to love it. I think he put 1000 miles on it the first week. If your focus is towing though, why not go with a larger truck which you can get in that same price range? For example, I've seen Car Dealers who still have 2018 NEW RAM 2500 on their lots and they are seriously willing to deal. When my daughters were younger, I was towing a 4 horse goose neck trailer every weekend using a RAM 2500 Long Bed and that thing towed like a dream. 4 horses with gear and tack can be a tricky haul since the horses can move a little. Hope you find the right ride for you.

jeffd
09-08-2019, 09:45 PM
the airstream 23 FB weighs 4800lbs empty and it's GVWR is 6200lbs so basically the trailer can be loaded with 1400lbs of supplies including the 48 gallons of freshwater (including hot water tank capacity). so say around 1000lbs of junk can be carried inside the trailer. That actually is a lot of stuff and should be pretty easy to carry much less. on page 367 of the JT's owners manual says the gross combined wt rating (trailer and vehicle) is 12800lbs for the sport and 765lb tong weight. i would say the 23FB would be well with in limits.

jeffd
09-08-2019, 09:47 PM
And for what you are going to pay for a airstream you can get a decent sized class C motorhome

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most class C's have 5000lb or less tow rating so that limits you to what jeep you want to tow.

Dale72
09-08-2019, 09:49 PM
the airstream 23 FB weighs 4800lbs empty and it's GVWR is 6200lbs so basically the trailer can be loaded with 1400lbs of supplies including the 48 gallons of freshwater (including hot water tank capacity). so say around 1000lbs of junk can be carried inside the trailer. That actually is a lot of stuff and should be pretty easy to carry much less. on page 367 of the JT's owners manual says the gross combined wt rating (trailer and vehicle) is 12800lbs for the sport and 765lb tong weight. i would say the 23FB would be well with in limits.Yeah but go back to the OP he was looking to get a 27 foot airstream

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Dale72
09-08-2019, 09:50 PM
most class C's have 5000lb or less tow rating so that limits you to what jeep you want to tow.The super C's have a bigger limit

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jeffd
09-08-2019, 10:03 PM
Yeah but go back to the OP he was looking to get a 27 foot airstream

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that is why i stated the 23FB that he posted.

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09-08-2019, 10:06 PM
The super C's have a bigger limit

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oh yes those are bad ass but $$$. I was thinking of the ones in the price range of the airstreams. the freightliner stuff is uber cool no doubt.

Dale72
09-08-2019, 11:09 PM
oh yes those are bad ass but $$$. I was thinking of the ones in the price range of the airstreams. the freightliner stuff is uber cool no doubt.Well most class c's have a gas engine but you can get a one with a diesel engine and you will be able to tow more

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sipafz
09-09-2019, 01:20 AM
Wow, a lot of responses regarding my plans and Iím glad for it because like I mentioned, Iím not an expert.

Thanks to jeffd for posting up the capacity published in the owners manual. I down loaded it and found the following:

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Sport S with Max Tow has a combined GVWR of 12,800lbs. Subtract the Gladiator GVWR of 6,250 and that leaves 6,550 for towing if the truck is loaded to the maximum weight. Itís misleading that Jeep advertises 7,650lbs, but it would be possible under the right circumstances (ie nothing else in the truck).

Unfortunately both the 27í and 25í trailers would be too close to or maybe even over the combined GVWR when loaded. If we decide to go this route then a bigger truck is the prudent thing to do although less fun!

At this point Iím still considering the 23í and more specifically the Globetrotter 23FB Twin. This trailer has a dry weight of 5,300 (with 60lbs propane and batteries, no water) and a max weight (GVWR) of 6,300. Obviously, the black and gray tanks would be empty or mostly empty while traveling, but I would have some fresh water on board up to a couple hundred pounds to possibly the maximum of 39 gallons or 325lbs albeit unlikely.

Again, thanks for all the responses as they have given me even more to consider!

sipafz
09-09-2019, 01:48 AM
I'd have to look at ours again but I think we were at 39,900 (3% under invoice) not including tax. Sport S with max tow, cold weather group, and aux switches. I don't think we added anything else.

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Gladiator Sport $33,545
ďSĒ Option $3,200
Side Steps $650
Freedom Top $1,195
Tonneau Cover $495
Spray in Bedliner $495
Sirius XM $295 (packaged)
Alpine Speakers $1,295
Slush Mats $165
7Ē Radio $995
Max Tow $995
Convenience Group $395 (packaged)
Cold Weather Group $995
Active Safety Group $995
Aux Switches $295
Trail Rail System $895
Automatic Transmission $2,000

Total = 50,145 or so

OverlanderJK
09-09-2019, 01:55 AM
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Gladiator Sport $33,545
ďSĒ Option $3,200
Side Steps $650
Freedom Top $1,195
Tonneau Cover $495
Spray in Bedliner $495
Sirius XM $295 (packaged)
Alpine Speakers $1,295
Slush Mats $165
7Ē Radio $995
Max Tow $995
Convenience Group $395 (packaged)
Cold Weather Group $995
Active Safety Group $995
Aux Switches $295
Trail Rail System $895
Automatic Transmission $2,000

Total = 50,145 or so

Tonneau cover is garbage. Spray in bed liner is garbage. 8.4Ē monitor is almost a must.


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HighwayTrout
09-09-2019, 02:04 AM
Tonneau cover is garbage. Spray in bed liner is garbage. 8.4Ē monitor is almost a must. Hold my pumpkin spice latte!!


Dafuq?
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sipafz
09-09-2019, 02:05 AM
Tonneau cover is garbage. Spray in bed liner is garbage. 8.4Ē monitor is almost a must.


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I wish the 8.4Ē monitor was an option on the Sport S. Maybe it will be available by time I get this? As for the bedliner and cover, I will probably go aftermarket as I would like a locking cover and Linex seems to be the standard. I have cost in their as place holders.

OverlanderJK
09-09-2019, 02:10 AM
Dafuq?
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Donít knock it til you try it.


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WJCO
09-09-2019, 02:22 AM
I wish the 8.4Ē monitor was an option on the Sport S. Maybe it will be available by time I get this? As for the bedliner and cover, I will probably go aftermarket as I would like a locking cover and Linex seems to be the standard. I have cost in their as place holders.

Lots of feedback on OEM cover and liner being sub par. You can get higher quality from the aftermarket for literally the same price. 8.4 only available on overland and Rubicon. 7 inch available for sports.

sipafz
09-09-2019, 02:29 AM
And for what you are going to pay for a airstream you can get a decent sized class C motorhome

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Owning an Airstream is a lot like owning a Jeep Wrangler / Gladiator. I appreciate the history of the trailer along with the iconic styling. Thatís a big part of why I want to couple the pair together. An icon pulling an icon. What could be better?

notnalc68
09-09-2019, 02:45 AM
Wow, a lot of responses regarding my plans and Iím glad for it because like I mentioned, Iím not an expert.

Thanks to jeffd for posting up the capacity published in the owners manual. I down loaded it and found the following:

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Sport S with Max Tow has a combined GVWR of 12,800lbs. Subtract the Gladiator GVWR of 6,250 and that leaves 6,550 for towing if the truck is loaded to the maximum weight. Itís misleading that Jeep advertises 7,650lbs, but it would be possible under the right circumstances (ie nothing else in the truck).

Unfortunately both the 27í and 25í trailers would be too close to or maybe even over the combined GVWR when loaded. If we decide to go this route then a bigger truck is the prudent thing to do although less fun!

At this point Iím still considering the 23í and more specifically the Globetrotter 23FB Twin. This trailer has a dry weight of 5,300 (with 60lbs propane and batteries, no water) and a max weight (GVWR) of 6,300. Obviously, the black and gray tanks would be empty or mostly empty while traveling, but I would have some fresh water on board up to a couple hundred pounds to possibly the maximum of 39 gallons or 325lbs albeit unlikely.

Again, thanks for all the responses as they have given me even more to consider!

The 5300 lb trailer would be much better. Still, if you are going to put a lot of miles on it trailering, I think youíll wear your drive train out way early.


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sipafz
09-09-2019, 02:48 AM
I love the idea of that setup! If towing power is an issue, get a basic sport and swap in a v8 :crazyeyes:

The basic Sport with Max Tow would be 9k less expensive, but I like and want all the options available with the Sport S. Heck, looking at it more the Rubicon combined truck and trailer capacity is only 350lbs less. I would like the larger radio monitor and other Rubicon goodies, but having a little safety margin is more important.

A V8 swap down the road is an option once the vehicle gets past the warranty period though [emoji6].

sipafz
09-09-2019, 02:55 AM
The 5300 lb trailer would be much better. Still, if you are going to put a lot of miles on it trailering, I think youíll wear your drive train out way early.


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Have a little more faith!

More seriously, weíre more the National Park / State Park types that park for 14 to 30 days. Not the 1000 Trails type that move every 4 days to camp for ďfreeĒ.

Maybe 15,000 miles a year.

Just for fun:

https://youtu.be/n0rnwpmtWsU

TrailHunter
09-09-2019, 03:01 AM
I'm guessing you really want a JT.... so I think you should get one. Once you have it, you can rent a 23' trailer of similar weight for the weekend, and take it on a trip. Then you will know.... probably within the first 50 miles.... And at that point you can adjust your camping rig to your JT... not the other way around.

My buddies and I used to rent 23' camping trailers a couple times a year a tow them 6 hours to the Sand Dunes loaded with Gear. Our trucks were always 3/4 tons with diesels or big blocks that were setup for towing.... You could definitely feel the weight.... especially in the wind.

Exodus Jeeps
09-09-2019, 03:08 AM
Donít knock it til you try it.


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Iím with you, Iíll fight a mother fucker over a PSL


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Exodus Jeeps
09-09-2019, 03:14 AM
I'm not gonna lie, I've been finding the marketing by FCA regarding Jeeps to be pretty misleading at best to down right wrong lately.

Launch Editions.

By the way, Tony with the Clifford Jeep is getting his launch edition finally. Itíll be here in ď2 weeksĒ according to the dealership...


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wjtstudios
09-09-2019, 11:31 AM
Launch Editions.

By the way, Tony with the Clifford Jeep is getting his launch edition finally. Itíll be here in ď2 weeksĒ according to the dealership...


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Thatís just crazy. Very disappointing that they couldnít follow thru on that.


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wayoflife
09-09-2019, 01:35 PM
Launch Editions.

By the way, Tony with the Clifford Jeep is getting his launch edition finally. It’ll be here in “2 weeks” according to the dealership...

:cheesy: LOL - what a fuckin joke!

Not gonna lie, I'm still pissed at FCA.

G-mansjk
09-09-2019, 02:17 PM
As much as I hate recommending it, shittybuilt has a pretty cool offroad trailer. Or you can build your own for way less then a airstream or there are way cheaper trailers with offroad capabilities on the market. You may sacrifice size and creature comforts a bit but to be able to pull it with a jeep and still play I think it would be worth looking at.... But that's just me... 334395

That's right I'm a window licker, I can't spell, my grammar sucks!!!!

sipafz
09-09-2019, 03:15 PM
As much as I hate recommending it, shittybuilt has a pretty cool offroad trailer. Or you can build your own for way less then a airstream or there are way cheaper trailers with offroad capabilities on the market. You may sacrifice size and creature comforts a bit but to be able to pull it with a jeep and still play I think it would be worth looking at.... But that's just me... 334395

That's right I'm a window licker, I can't spell, my grammar sucks!!!!

Thats nice for weekend camping, but we are planning to more or less live in the airstream. We hope to be out for months at a time visiting National and State Parks all over the country, camping for 14 to 30 days each depending on restrictions, following warm weather. Iím not looking to go off road with the trailer, just exploring from camp with the truck leaving the top and doors at the campground.

The cost of the Airstream or the truck is not my primary concern, living a life of adventure is. I have plenty of time to let these details develop and Iím sure many changes will be made along the way. For now I hope that as more people get Gladiators, they will post up their towing experiences good or bad.

Brute
09-09-2019, 03:24 PM
Bravo...live your dream...

nbunga
09-09-2019, 04:37 PM
:cheesy: LOL - what a fuckin joke!

Not gonna lie, I'm still pissed at FCA.

I have a friend who has been waiting on his launch edition also. He had to reorder a few weeks ago. Apparently, according to the dealer, the factory is having issues with the granite crystal paint matching between the truck and the hard top. He ended up going with Billet Silver instead.

sipafz
09-09-2019, 05:17 PM
Bravo...live your dream...

Roger that!

TrailHunter
09-09-2019, 05:26 PM
Bravo...live your dream...


Roger that!

Sitting at a Job waiting for an inspection... starring at a customers 16í Airstream in his backyard...lol.. He uses it as an office. For sure man... like Ed said.. ďlive your dreamĒ.. hope you can make it work.

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Ddays
09-09-2019, 07:47 PM
I'm guessing you really want a JT.... so I think you should get one. Once you have it, you can rent a 23' trailer of similar weight for the weekend, and take it on a trip. Then you will know.... probably within the first 50 miles.... And at that point you can adjust your camping rig to your JT... not the other way around.

My buddies and I used to rent 23' camping trailers a couple times a year a tow them 6 hours to the Sand Dunes loaded with Gear. Our trucks were always 3/4 tons with diesels or big blocks that were setup for towing.... You could definitely feel the weight.... especially in the wind.

Yup - this^^ If you're really gonna do the Airstream, Sipafz, wait until the weather is really shitty to try out the camper. You'd really rather see how well the combo does in adverse conditions rather than find out in the middle of Kansas that you're driving a white-knuckle handful.

Abntroop
09-09-2019, 11:30 PM
I think thereís a reason I see retireeís pulling their jeeps behind their RVís regularly and rarely see jeeps towing trailers. I wouldnít want to tow anything more than my setup. The only exceptions I have seen have been an airstream Bambi a couple of times and several T@Bís. Neither of which are ďlive for months inĒ trailers. Given your ďwhat we are going to doĒ plan, an RV with a towed Jeep sounds better, more comfortable, and easier then expecting miracles from a drivetrain ultimately not built for what you want out of it, or at least you will either have to sell the Jeep or downsize the trailer so far that the lack of comfort/amenities will kill that dream in short order.


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notnalc68
09-09-2019, 11:42 PM
Iím with you, Iíll fight a mother fucker over a PSL


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We donít have to fight. Iíd give mine to you. I like coffee like it was meant to be drank. Black.


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notnalc68
09-09-2019, 11:45 PM
If that 23 footer has tandem axles, it will make a lot of difference in sway and stability.


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sipafz
09-10-2019, 12:00 AM
If that 23 footer has tandem axles, it will make a lot of difference in sway and stability.


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VerdiJeepLife
09-10-2019, 12:04 AM
I get it, understand and respect the icon factor. But for permanent living and cost not a complete factor I would look at Bruder Expedition and at least try to rent one for a month

https://youtu.be/rao14joQE-4

2nd.gunman
09-10-2019, 12:16 AM
We donít really have full size pickups down here so itís very normal to tow a 23 foot van behind rangers, hiluxs and other small dual cabs. I donít think you would have any issues with what youíre proposing.

It wonít be as effortless as a larger vehicle but that doesnít mean it wonít work.


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09-10-2019, 12:46 AM
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sipafz
09-10-2019, 12:57 AM
Sitting at a Job waiting for an inspection... starring at a customers 16í Airstream in his backyard...lol.. He uses it as an office. For sure man... like Ed said.. ďlive your dreamĒ.. hope you can make it work.

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Iím going to try. Thank you for the advice!


Yup - this^^ If you're really gonna do the Airstream, Sipafz, wait until the weather is really shitty to try out the camper. You'd really rather see how well the combo does in adverse conditions rather than find out in the middle of Kansas that you're driving a white-knuckle handful.

Iíve never been to Kansas. Is it really windy there?

This will probably go down with my wife picking the trailer that she can live with, like a 30í [emoji849].


I think thereís a reason I see retireeís pulling their jeeps behind their RVís regularly and rarely see jeeps towing trailers. I wouldnít want to tow anything more than my setup. The only exceptions I have seen have been an airstream Bambi a couple of times and several T@Bís. Neither of which are ďlive for months inĒ trailers. Given your ďwhat we are going to doĒ plan, an RV with a towed Jeep sounds better, more comfortable, and easier then expecting miracles from a drivetrain ultimately not built for what you want out of it, or at least you will either have to sell the Jeep or downsize the trailer so far that the lack of comfort/amenities will kill that dream in short order.


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If the wife decides that she needs more than 23í then we will get a Ram. If 23í is the one, I will probably try the Gladiator. If itís not enough then we will get a bigger truck.


I get it, understand and respect the icon factor. But for permanent living and cost not a complete factor I would look at Bruder Expedition and at least try to rent one for a month

Haha, my wife would never go for that! Thatís pretty much the polar opposite of an Airstream.


We donít really have full size pickups down here so itís very normal to tow a 23 foot van behind rangers, hiluxs and other small dual cabs. I donít think you would have any issues with what youíre proposing.

It wonít be as effortless as a larger vehicle but that doesnít mean it wonít work.


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I think that agree with you 100%. I have nothing to base that on, but Iím digging it!

VerdiJeepLife
09-10-2019, 01:16 AM
The number one rule in our house, as mandated by me, has always been, "If Mama ain't happy, nobody will be happy".

The matra of "Happy wife, Happy life" has always served me well.

That being said, chances are that if you show your wife something bigger, she will want it. Most women are just that way, fact of evolution. So if you want her restricted to a '23 then don't show her a '30. If you want her in a condo, don't show here a bigger house, the analogies can continue over a beer sometime....but you get the idea.

Also, if you want a Jeep, DON'T show her one of the new top trip mega cab RAM Trucks... If she's going to be spending a lot of time in that vehicle, most women will want to luxury and quiet ride of the RAM where you won't even notice the trailer.

Also, Ford has an interesting rear steer option that compensates for trailer sway automatically... might be interesting as it provides some safety when towing
https://youtu.be/PIasViILfv0

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09-10-2019, 01:23 AM
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Brute
09-10-2019, 02:18 AM
Iím going to try. Thank you for the advice!



Iíve never been to Kansas. Is it really windy there?

This will probably go down with my wife picking the trailer that she can live with, like a 30í [emoji849].



If the wife decides that she needs more than 23í then we will get a Ram. If 23í is the one, I will probably try the Gladiator. If itís not enough then we will get a bigger truck.



Haha, my wife would never go for that! Thatís pretty much the polar opposite of an Airstream.



I think that agree with you 100%. I have nothing to base that on, but Iím digging it!

Is Kansas windy?...just ask Toto...

nbunga
09-10-2019, 02:21 AM
Is Kansas windy?...just ask Toto...

It didnít use to be so windy in Kansas. I became a lot worse when they installed all of those big fans with the blinking red lights.

sipafz
09-10-2019, 02:53 AM
Yup - this^^ If you're really gonna do the Airstream, Sipafz, wait until the weather is really shitty to try out the camper. You'd really rather see how well the combo does in adverse conditions rather than find out in the middle of Kansas that you're driving a white-knuckle handful.


Is Kansas windy?...just ask Toto...

What Ddays was really thinking:

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sipafz
09-10-2019, 03:13 AM
Also, if you want a Jeep, DON'T show her one of the new top trip mega cab RAM Trucks... If she's going to be spending a lot of time in that vehicle, most women will want to luxury and quiet ride of the RAM where you won't even notice the trailer.

I donít have to worry much about her wanting a big truck as she dislikes them more than I do. Thatís one of the reasons I would like to avoid it if possible. It would be just a tow vehicle and Iím having a hard time adjusting to the idea of using it more anything more than that. The thought of having to drive a huge, clunky, POS for every task or adventure is uninspiring. I love my Wrangler and I believe that I will love the JT just as much. Iím not going to easily give that up.

Exodus Jeeps
09-10-2019, 12:23 PM
We donít have to fight. Iíd give mine to you. I like coffee like it was meant to be drank. Black.


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Lol, I used to like them but now everything is pumpkin spice so I hardly drink them.


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piginajeep
09-10-2019, 01:27 PM
We donít really have full size pickups down here so itís very normal to tow a 23 foot van behind rangers, hiluxs and other small dual cabs. I donít think you would have any issues with what youíre proposing.

It wonít be as effortless as a larger vehicle but that doesnít mean it wonít work.


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I was just on the gold coast. I only seen one f250. I was really amazed at what I seen towing trailers. Whatís with those ugly el comino cars? [emoji23]


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RockinAZJK
09-10-2019, 06:23 PM
Since you have the time to wait, I would recommend seeing what the Diesel offers for towing capacity when it comes out. That may be your ticket.


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Dale72
09-10-2019, 08:29 PM
It didnít use to be so windy in Kansas. I became a lot worse when they installed all of those big fans with the blinking red lights.That's why they put those big fans up

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sipafz
09-12-2019, 02:54 AM
Since you have the time to wait, I would recommend seeing what the Diesel offers for towing capacity when it comes out. That may be your ticket.


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Sounds like the diesel will have less towing capacity? See post #16.

sipafz
09-12-2019, 03:13 AM
As we dive deeper into this, my wife and I both are leaning towards the 27í trailer. It has some features that the smaller trailers donít have and storage is going to be really an issue so more is probably better.

Iím starting to warm up to the possibility of a RAM 1500 Rebel:

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The maximum loaded trailer weight of 7,600lbs plus the maximum loaded truck weight of 7,100lbs give a combined weight of 14,700lbs.

Total combined weight limit is 17,000lbs with a tow limit of 11,250. That gives me a 2,300 cushion or 13.5%. Going bigger is just more prudent even if itís not more fun. Beside that the Rebel does have a decent sized sun roof and the 12í Radio monitor is pretty nice.

WJCO
09-12-2019, 03:22 AM
Iím starting to warm up to the possibility of a RAM 1500 Rebel:



Might have to move this post to the infirmary......

HighwayTrout
09-12-2019, 03:39 AM
Might have to move this post to the infirmary......

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2nd.gunman
09-12-2019, 06:56 AM
I was just on the gold coast. I only seen one f250. I was really amazed at what I seen towing trailers. Whatís with those ugly el comino cars? [emoji23]


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Yep. Thereís a company near me that does conversions so Iím starting to see a lot more rams, Silverados, tundras and raptors.

I assume youíre talking about the Aussie Ute. An absolute Classic but nobody makes them anymore


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piginajeep
09-13-2019, 05:24 AM
Yep. Thereís a company near me that does conversions so Iím starting to see a lot more rams, Silverados, tundras and raptors.

I assume youíre talking about the Aussie Ute. An absolute Classic but nobody makes them anymore


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MericaMade
09-13-2019, 05:27 AM
So do Raptors and Gladiators run about the same price now?

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HighwayTrout
09-13-2019, 05:40 AM
So do Raptors and Gladiators run about the same price now?

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Getting close.
Raptors start around 55 I think. A fully decked out Rubicon will be about 60+.

MericaMade
09-13-2019, 07:01 AM
Getting close.
Raptors start around 55 I think. A fully decked out Rubicon will be about 60+.Wow, I ask because I'm selling my Duramax Diesel and was looking at Raptors then though about going this route. Hmmmmmm

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WJCO
09-13-2019, 11:10 AM
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New Fab Fours package for the JT ?

Brute
09-13-2019, 02:59 PM
New Fab Fours package for the JT ?

Just imagine that in Hydro Blue...your dream ride...

Andy5160
09-13-2019, 03:06 PM
Just imagine that in Hydro Blue...your dream ride...

With at least pink shackles [emoji23]


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WJCO
09-13-2019, 03:11 PM
With at least pink shackles [emoji23]



It has already been carved in stone by Moses that there will be no pink on this Jeep.

Andy5160
09-13-2019, 11:34 PM
It has already been carved in stone by Moses that there will be no pink on this Jeep.

Good to know [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji106]


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Noble Woodsman
09-15-2019, 10:51 PM
Iím starting to warm up to the possibility of a RAM 1500 Rebel:



Wont this mens you cant take off the top and doors for the offeoading experience you were originally after? Seems to me like the best option is to get an rv and tow your jeep behind.


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sipafz
09-16-2019, 12:39 AM
Wont this mens you cant take off the top and doors for the offeoading experience you were originally after? Seems to me like the best option is to get an rv and tow your jeep behind.


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That is exactly what that means! A class ďAĒ coach would be too big for National Park camping ďin the parkĒ. Class ďCĒ might be an option with a tow behind, but quite honestly we are still leaning towards the travel trailer. Iím a long way from making the commitment. Iíve also been researching ďBoondockingĒ and learning that there are a lot of places to camp right outside the Parks. I have to admit that the whole living out of a trailer thing is all about shit management, laundry and planning out where youíre going to camp in 6 months. Itís not all cocktails by the campfire.

notnalc68
09-16-2019, 12:53 AM
Iíd go the RV, trailering a Jeep mode, but if you like travel trailers, consider other brands that are lighter and have slide outs. Coachmen Apex are nice, as are some of the Coleman trailers. Airstreams are cool, but there are more comfortable, livable trailers on the market.

Jaybird 11
09-16-2019, 12:58 AM
Iv done it both ways. Pickup with a trailer and motorhome pulling my cj. I like the motorhome way better. Sucks having the pickup to have to go exploring in.

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Jaybird 11
09-16-2019, 01:00 AM
Here is my set up.334748334749

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J Ro
09-16-2019, 01:29 AM
I agree with jaybird. The rv is a good route to take. I have pulled a 26í travel trailer gross weight of 7500 lbs with a 1/2 ton ram and although it pulled it well it was still a lot. We now have a class c that we can tow with. It has a max towing of 8000lbs and pulls pretty well. Havenít towed the Jeep behind yet but have pulled 6000lb trailer with ease.


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Dale72
09-16-2019, 01:41 AM
That is exactly what that means! A class ďAĒ coach would be too big for National Park camping ďin the parkĒ. Class ďCĒ might be an option with a tow behind, but quite honestly we are still leaning towards the travel trailer. Iím a long way from making the commitment. Iíve also been researching ďBoondockingĒ and learning that there are a lot of places to camp right outside the Parks. I have to admit that the whole living out of a trailer thing is all about shit management, laundry and planning out where youíre going to camp in 6 months. Itís not all cocktails by the campfire.You can get a Class A motorhome that you can get in the National Parks

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sipafz
09-16-2019, 01:51 AM
Here is my set up.334748334749

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Nice setup! Could you imagine living out of it for months as a time? I do like the idea of still bringing the Jeep along for the ride!

sipafz
09-16-2019, 02:03 AM
Iíd go the RV, trailering a Jeep mode, but if you like travel trailers, consider other brands that are lighter and have slide outs. Coachmen Apex are nice, as are some of the Coleman trailers. Airstreams are cool, but there are more comfortable, livable trailers on the market.

Iím not a fan of the slides. My brother has something similar, but smaller and has had issues. His words ďI will never buy another trailer with slidesď. We did look at a few since we have a Camping World in our town, but weíre not digging the ďhomeĒ feel from these types of campers. Itís like they are styled to be just like home. When we looked at Airstreams we liked that they were styled like campers, if that makes sense?

sipafz
09-16-2019, 02:11 AM
I agree with jaybird. The rv is a good route to take. I have pulled a 26í travel trailer gross weight of 7500 lbs with a 1/2 ton ram and although it pulled it well it was still a lot. We now have a class c that we can tow with. It has a max towing of 8000lbs and pulls pretty well. Havenít towed the Jeep behind yet but have pulled 6000lb trailer with ease.


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Thanks for the input!


You can get a Class A motorhome that you can get in the National Parks

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Iím sure youíre right. When I hear class a I think 40í bus rv. Our next plan is to visit our local rv/camper show in February/March. We have not stepped foot in a class a or c as of yet.

notnalc68
09-16-2019, 02:17 AM
Iím not a fan of the slides. My brother has something similar, but smaller and has had issues. His words ďI will never buy another trailer with slidesď. We did look at a few since we have a Camping World in our town, but weíre not digging the ďhomeĒ feel from these types of campers. Itís like they are styled to be just like home. When we looked at Airstreams we liked that they were styled like campers, if that makes sense?

Iíll never buy one without a slide. That goes for a motorhome, too.


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Dale72
09-16-2019, 02:25 AM
Thanks for the input!



Iím sure youíre right. When I hear class a I think 40í bus rv. Our next plan is to visit our local rv/camper show in February/March. We have not stepped foot in a class a or c as of yet.For the National Parks it can't be over a certain length. You just have to go to the website for the National Parks

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Jaybird 11
09-16-2019, 02:32 AM
Nice setup! Could you imagine living out of it for months as a time? I do like the idea of still bringing the Jeep along for the ride!Yeah i could. Spent 9 days in it on the road. Some parks have laundry and showers witch make it easy.

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Dale72
09-16-2019, 02:33 AM
When you decide to get one June 1st is when the next year models and floor plans come out wait until about August or September and you can get last year's models around dealers cost

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wjtstudios
09-16-2019, 12:26 PM
Here is my set up.334748334749

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Nice Renegade! And the RV too..


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Jaybird 11
09-16-2019, 01:39 PM
Thanks. Dont look to close at the cj lol. It needs alot of love still.

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wjtstudios
09-16-2019, 01:41 PM
Thanks. Dont look to close at the cj lol. It needs alot of love still.

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Iím glad your keeping it alive


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Jaybird 11
09-16-2019, 02:38 PM
Hope to do the same thing as you are with your scrambler some day.

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highoctane
09-18-2019, 03:30 PM
So do Raptors and Gladiators run about the same price now?

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Sort of, but not really. My Gladiator stickered for $63,497. I was very close to getting a Raptor mega cab (whatever they call the bigger cab truck) and my local Ford dealer had three on the lot. One was pretty basic and had a sticker of $58k and change. It didnít have the keyless touch and go door handles, no push button start, and didnít have the technology package. Was missing a lot of what I wanted in a Raptor. The other two were pretty well equipped trucks that had a sticker price of $78k and $76k. Both had nice options, dual panoramic sunroof, the expensive Raptor decals, and one had the fancy tailgate step. I paid under MSRP for my Gladiator, but youíd be hard pressed to find a similar deal on a new Raptor. For its have cost me $20k more for a Raptor with comparable options to my Gladiator.


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MericaMade
09-18-2019, 03:36 PM
Sort of, but not really. My Gladiator stickered for $63,497. I was very close to getting a Raptor mega cab (whatever they call the bigger cab truck) and my local Ford dealer had three on the lot. One was pretty basic and had a sticker of $58k and change. It didnít have the keyless touch and go door handles, no push button start, and didnít have the technology package. Was missing a lot of what I wanted in a Raptor. The other two were pretty well equipped trucks that had a sticker price of $78k and $76k. Both had nice options, dual panoramic sunroof, the expensive Raptor decals, and one had the fancy tailgate step. I paid under MSRP for my Gladiator, but youíd be hard pressed to find a similar deal on a new Raptor. For its have cost me $20k more for a Raptor with comparable options to my Gladiator.


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HighwayTrout
09-18-2019, 04:20 PM
So a JT is capable off towing a JKU on a flatbed

This thread is 12 pages long of reasons why thatís probably not a good idea.

MericaMade
09-18-2019, 04:27 PM
This thread is 12 pages long of reasons why thatís probably not a good idea.Lol, I'll go back and read again. My bad.

Edit....thanks found all my answers pretty quick.

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wjtstudios
09-19-2019, 01:02 AM
Good info thank you. I haven't even bothered to look a JT but I am going to take a look. So a JT is capable off towing a JKU on a flatbed comfortably?

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An unmodified stock JKU on a light weight trailer, sure. But who wants to tow that. As soon as you build up a Jeep and push 6k, itís too heavy.


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MericaMade
09-20-2019, 12:30 AM
An unmodified stock JKU on a light weight trailer, sure. But who wants to tow that. As soon as you build up a Jeep and push 6k, itís too heavy.


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1985 CJ8 ScramblerWell then a Raptor it is.......maybe.

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wjtstudios
09-20-2019, 12:33 AM
Well then a Raptor it is.......maybe.

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I pondered it before I bought my Ram. There was just way too much potential to start another build on that platform. I donít think I would have left it stock for long and that would have cut into the Jeep budget


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MericaMade
09-20-2019, 01:28 AM
I pondered it before I bought my Ram. There was just way too much potential to start another build on that platform. I donít think I would have left it stock for long and that would have cut into the Jeep budget


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1985 CJ8 ScramblerI'm with you there. My buddies have a lot of money in their Raptors as well. I have a lot I want to do to my jeep still and can see the Raptor sucking some of that up.

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