Mikes Offroad
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Artec truss installed on my 44 alignment done before and after with no changes to anything. I gues I am awesome, just as I always thought.
Artec truss and gussets
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NFRs2000NYC
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Nice job with the bait post. Im sure it will go over well.
Again, never said that it couldn't be done. Not that I don't believe you but, how about you prove it. Post up your before and after alignment results. If you really did get it on with NO change to anything, clearly, you are awesome.
Mikes Offroad
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Not intended as a bait post just stating a fact, but take it however you want.
Mikes Offroad
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Eddie if I thought I had to prove anything, then yes I would have gotten the print offs.
Mike, you only have to prove something if you're going to make a statement like it's fact.
Mikes Offroad
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Same as the statments that are made on the other side, where are all the bend housing that are out there. you keep saying that damn near everyone gets warped. If they bent that easily why are there so many suspension companies make weld on truss for control arm mounts. I am not saying that they will not bend if you go balls out with the heat, but common sense has to come into play. A friend of mine is having a Tand T truss welded on his JK right now by Trail Jeep should he be worried then about them bending his housing?
piginajeep
The Original Smartass
I had a professional shop install mine. I watched it get welded on. It's bent !
piginajeep
The Original Smartass
If I get a scrap D44 sitting around locally and am bored, I can surely try itI love good, comparable evidence! :thumb:
On a separate note, I feel compelled to voice something at this point. A frustrating thing that I've noticed and is kinda disheartening to see is the overwhelming pessimism often displayed by forum members (on any forum) towards those of us 'amateurs' (myself included) who try to tackle a problem themselves that may usually be addressed only by the more experienced members, or those with deeper pockets. When a person, for example, does their own truss, or fabs their own bumper, or simply seems to have been able to persevere and do something themselves that most have to bring their rig to a shop to do, there are always some very blunt, vocal replies that seem to try to either discredit, belittle, or take the fun out of the original post. Instead of the "attaboy! " or "good job" or "that's great to see that you were able to tackle that in your garage!" that is more appropriate, the member is discouraged with a bunch of "I call bullshit on that"-type replies. It's great to share experiences and opinions, but I hate seeing so many pessimistic replies... Us 'amateurs' look up to the guys that have been doing this for a long time, but too often seem to be the target of such replies. Just an observation...
If I get a scrap D44 sitting around locally and am bored, I can surely try it
On a separate note, I feel compelled to voice something at this point. A frustrating thing that I've noticed and is kinda disheartening to see is the overwhelming pessimism often displayed by forum members (on any forum) towards those of us 'amateurs' (myself included) who try to tackle a problem themselves that may usually be addressed only by the more experienced members, or those with deeper pockets. When a person, for example, does their own truss, or fabs their own bumper, or simply seems to have been able to persevere and do something themselves that most have to bring their rig to a shop to do, there are always some very blunt, vocal replies that seem to try to either discredit, belittle, or take the fun out of the original post. Instead of the "attaboy! " or "good job" or "that's great to see that you were able to tackle that in your garage!" that is more appropriate, the member is discouraged with a bunch of "I call bullshit on that"-type replies. It's great to share experiences and opinions, but I hate seeing so many pessimistic replies... Us 'amateurs' look up to the guys that have been doing this for a long time, but too often seem to be the target of such replies. Just an observation...
I said, I raise the terd flag, but close enough. Seems like you're an attention whore for even bringing this up.
You are giving the average JK home mechanic hope they can do this at home and not bend their axle tubes. If you really gave a shit about them and not cared about giving yourself a pat on the back. You would tell them not to install a truss or let anyone install one on their jeeps. After all, if you really had to go through all this to make sure it's not bent, do you really think anyone could do this or know how?
If someone is sold on beefing up the tubes, install a sleeve. It's simple and is almost idiot proof.
It reads to me that it's not a axle truss thing.... Its a general complaint. I don't think it's fair to make it all about the truss when addressing his rant. But thats just my observation
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Mikes Offroad
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Sorry to hear that you ended up with a bend housing. Just because it is a proffesional shop does not mean that the people employed there are the best of the best.
There are varying degrees of bent and some are a lot more visible than others. Of course, most guys who just got done spending the money to get a truss welded on are the first to say how awesome it is even if you can clearly see camber in their wheels. You want proof, look at the orange Jeep on the far left of this photo. I know it's small but I think you can still see camber in the wheels...
Please note that this was a brand new 2012 JK that just had a truss installed on it. I'll see if I can find others but, being that most were slight bends, they're harder to see in photos.
Umm, maybe you don't have this in Canada but, it's called the laws of supply and demand. People like you want this stuff and so manufacturers make and sell it to you.
And I'm not saying that it can't be done with out bending or, at least not so much that it's noticeable but, even if you take your time and use common sense, you are still more likely than not to BEND an axle by installing a truss. Most guys don't know to even care to look and really, the truss will help prevent further bending so maybe it's all good for them. For me, I don't see the point in throwing any money into a factory front axle. For me, I would recommend that you just play with what you've got and save up for a day that you can upgrade to something better. Some people may never even get to a point where it's needed. But then, that's just me.
I don't know, I suppose it depend on whether or not they take the necessary steps to help prevent bending during installation.
Oh please, I know the shop and the personally know the guy who did the welding. I can assure you that he is on the up and up. The axle is still bent.
Sudz
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Mikes Offroad
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My apologize then Ed, piginajeep never stated that you personally know the guy that welded it and that he is on the up and up. I do under stand the laws of supply and demand, I work at diamond mine if it was not for the demand from women I would not be in a job. All people will have different opinons and that is fine, that is what makes everybody different and why not everybody drives a blue car or a Dodge. You can have your opinon about trusses and I can have mine. I know mine turned out great, maybe I am that one in a thousand that works who knows. Or maybe I just got lucky. I have installed three sets of Evo sleeves and just wanted to try something else out. When the front end does fall apart yes I do have a plan to replace with a 60 but am going to make this thing last as long as I can, even if that means spending a whole $124 for a truss.
So I gotta question for you. Are you saying that you installed a truss on an axle that already had sleeves?
piginajeep
The Original Smartass
$124 ruins a $3,000 axle? Is it really worth the risk??
It is the perfect product, it looks cool and people know you wheel your jeep if you have one.
Sleeves? You can't see them and they work 100% of the time. But they don't have the cool factor.
Mikes Offroad
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No Eddie what I did was sell the axles that were under my Jeep for JKX 2012 which had the sleeve. I then purchased another set of axles out of a 2012 rubicon which had a Tereflex big brale kit as well as 5:13 installed. After selling my diffs total cost out of my pocket was $1000. I figured for that price I could not go wrong. Before I installed the new diffs, that is when i installed the truss. Hope that makes sense (it does in my head while I am writting it)
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Mikes Offroad
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Thats right I am all about the cool factor. I bought it because trusses work not because they look cool as you stated. Funny you seem to be able to read me and you do not have a friggen clue who I am. Funny I read you to and I have come to my own conclusion.