Recent Shooting and Discussion

[OverlanderJK]

Wow, whatever man! I guess what I did serving my country and sacrificed for your freedoms and safety mean nothing, same thing for every other first responder that puts their life on the line every day. I was hit by an RPG in Afghanistan, I have had 12 hip surgeries, Shoulder surgeries and others. My son who is a Marine suffered three head trauma’s while serving and developed seizures and has been medically retired from the Marines. My daughter in law is also a wounded vet, she was Military Police and hit by an IED during a convoy from Kabul. I really take offense to your statement as if we a freeloading off taxpayers, you really take the cake bud. No different for all the Firefighter's and Police officers that have lost their lives, especially those during 9-11 that went into a burning building to rescue Americans trapped in the Twin Towers without thinking about their own safety. What a piece of shit you are for even making that comment.

You volunteered for that.


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[Abntroop]

You volunteered for that.


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That may be the case, it doesn’t change that it’s a voluntary civil duty with pretty heavy ramifications. Don’t knock being willing to put your head through the noose for the sake of your nation. The least this country can do is pony up to take care of folks willing to put their life on the line for their country. Especially with as many free handouts as I saw going to lazy homeless millennials in Portland and Seattle who just couldn’t be bothered to be anything other than a sack of shit. Vets, Cops, Fire.. those are dangerous jobs for the country man. Does your conscience not twinge at all making a knee jerk comment like that implying “well you chose it, and your country sent you off to some 3rd world shithole and you got fucked up, that’s on you”
You do realize, that after enlistment you have in effect given up your civil rights right? The military isn’t a fucking democracy where we all sit around in a circle and raise our hands to vote on whether we feel like being deployed somewhere. You go where you are told. You do what you are told. The sacrifice and commitment seems to be something you do not grasp or appreciate.


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[OverlanderJK]

That may be the case, it doesn’t change that it’s a voluntary civil duty with pretty heavy ramifications. Don’t knock being willing to put your head through the noose for the sake of your nation. The least this country can do is pony up to take care of folks willing to put their life on the line for their country. Especially with as many free handouts as I saw going to lazy homeless millennials in Portland and Seattle who just couldn’t be bothered to be anything other than a sack of shit. Vets, Cops, Fire.. those are dangerous jobs for the country man. Does your conscience not twinge at all making a knee jerk comment like that implying “well you chose it, and your country sent you off to some 3rd world shithole and you got fucked up, that’s on you”
You do realize, that after enlistment you have in effect given up your civil rights right? The military isn’t a fucking democracy where we all sit around in a circle and raise our hands to vote on whether we feel like being deployed somewhere. You go where you are told. You do what you are told. The sacrifice and commitment seems to be something you do not grasp or appreciate.


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There are plenty of freeloaders who have served that are taking advantage of the benefits that are in place for those that actually need it. Tell me how an 80% disabled veteran can get 80% disability but yet also work full time jobs. You’re ether disabled or your not.

The argument of people taking advantage of benefits can be made for all walks of life.


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[monstrousmac]

You volunteered for that.


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I would do again over and over, my problem was the comment that I am leeching off of taxpayers. Like I didn't deserve my pension or disability.

The actual quote is-

"I know or observe are current and former military, LEO, firemen, and other sundry government employees whose incomes come from taxpayers and who are biding their time until they can take a taxpayer-funded pension, all the while railing against the perceived creep of socialism while being beneficiaries of socialism. "

Yea, people who put their lives on the line are nothing but leeches.

 

[OverlanderJK]

I would do again over and over, my problem was the comment that I am leeching off of taxpayers. Like I didn't deserve my pension or disability.

The actual quote is-

"I know or observe are current and former military, LEO, firemen, and other sundry government employees whose incomes come from taxpayers and who are biding their time until they can take a taxpayer-funded pension, all the while railing against the perceived creep of socialism while being beneficiaries of socialism. "

Yea, people who put their lives on the line are nothing but leeches.

You have a shop and can work on your own Jeep, are you actually disabled? That can be argued.


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[Abntroop]

There are plenty of freeloaders who have served that are taking advantage of the benefits that are in place for those that actually need it. Tell me how an 80% disabled veteran can get 80% disability but yet also work full time jobs. You’re ether disabled or your not.

The argument of people taking advantage of benefits can be made for all walks of life.


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I don’t think those Vets are taking advantage of the system. You should probably research how the VA rates disabilities. That 80% can be a culmination of multiple issues from hearing loss to knees to PTSD and associated mental issues, to back pain, etc. Military time, again, because you have no choice but to do what you are told, even in a non combat environment can be very hard on the body. The military has no problem taking young 17-19 year olds and running their bodies into the ground. It was only through shear pressure from the civilian populace that the government has been forced to acknowledge that these traumas stay with vets for the rest of their lives. So yeah, it may be voluntary, but I don’t think it’s too much to ask for this country to show some support for those who have been willing to make that ultimate commitment. That money is not just given away easily, the process for benefits is convoluted and time consuming. Over 60% of veterans are denied on their initial claim. Not because they don’t deserve it, but because the paperwork isn’t juuuust right or any other of a long list of trip ups. You obviously haven’t served, and you obviously haven’t dealt with the VA, so in this instance here’s your uninformed armchair QB award, and with that comes the unspoken small print that says congrats! You really don’t know what the hell you are talking about so you should do some research or stfu. [emoji482]


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[fiend]

I would do again over and over, my problem was the comment that I am leeching off of taxpayers. Like I didn't deserve my pension or disability.

The actual quote is-

"I know or observe are current and former military, LEO, firemen, and other sundry government employees whose incomes come from taxpayers and who are biding their time until they can take a taxpayer-funded pension, all the while railing against the perceived creep of socialism while being beneficiaries of socialism. "

Yea, people who put their lives on the line are nothing but leeches.

First, my comment was not directed to you personally. That should be pretty evident from the context.

Second, I said nothing about people being leaches. You should read the printed words rather than reading things in that aren’t there. And again, I don’t know you. Whether you’re a leach or not, I can’t say.

Third, my point is that I see many people who are beneficiaries of an essentially socialist system railing against socialism and failing to see that a least some degree of socialism is necessary, at least to keep their personal benefits flowing.

So in sum, my comment was directed to hypocritical morons. Unless you’re a hypocritical moron, you have no call to be so defensive.


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[Sharkey]

I fully believe that our country should do everything it can to help combat vets who suffer injuries in the line of duty. That said, I'm not about to brush with broad strokes and say that everyone who serves as a police officer or as a firefighter puts their lives at risk to protect the ideals of this country and therefore deserves a retirement funded by the taxpayers. There are plenty of those people whose jobs are far safer than mine. I also spend most of my days protecting and upholding the Constitution and its principles. Strangely though, I don't think many people would be ok with their taxes being used to fund my retirement.

 

[Edwrds]

LOL - 125 pages with over 1200 posts and exactly ZERO minds have been changed! :cheesy: :cheesy: :cheesy:

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[OverlanderJK]

I don’t think those Vets are taking advantage of the system. You should probably research how the VA rates disabilities. That 80% can be a culmination of multiple issues from hearing loss to knees to PTSD and associated mental issues, to back pain, etc. Military time, again, because you have no choice but to do what you are told, even in a non combat environment can be very hard on the body. The military has no problem taking young 17-19 year olds and running their bodies into the ground. It was only through shear pressure from the civilian populace that the government has been forced to acknowledge that these traumas stay with vets for the rest of their lives. So yeah, it may be voluntary, but I don’t think it’s too much to ask for this country to show some support for those who have been willing to make that ultimate commitment. That money is not just given away easily, the process for benefits is convoluted and time consuming. Over 60% of veterans are denied on their initial claim. Not because they don’t deserve it, but because the paperwork isn’t juuuust right or any other of a long list of trip ups. You obviously haven’t served, and you obviously haven’t dealt with the VA, so in this instance here’s your uninformed armchair QB award, and with that comes the unspoken small print that says congrats! You really don’t know what the hell you are talking about so you should do some research or stfu. [emoji482]


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I don’t need to have served to have first hand experience with the VA. My brother has and has gone through the ringer. But what is funny is you jumped down the throats of free loaders in Portland but can’t acknowledge that your comrades are doing the same. Carry on with your night as this clearly won’t go anywhere with you.


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[Abntroop]

I don’t need to have served to have first hand experience with the VA. My brother has and has gone through the ringer. But what is funny is you jumped down the throats of free loaders in Portland but can’t acknowledge that your comrades are doing the same. Carry on with your night as this clearly won’t go anywhere with you.


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Jesus [emoji849] you still talkin out your ass? [emoji23][emoji1589] your brother going through the ringer = you having SECOND hand experience.

At least one of you had the balls to step up to plate. Surprise! the one who didnt is the “hey everyone look at my opinion hole one” [emoji23][emoji23]


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[USMC Wrangler]

For now, we’ll see how much longer that holds true with the influx of Californians running from a system they hate only to begin pushing for similar legislation here...


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Same shit is happening in AZ. They flee the high taxes and cost of living just to vote for it here. It’s infuriating.

PS - No firearm registry or CCW requirement (in most cases) here in Arizona also.

 

[Sharkey]

At least one of you had the balls to step up to plate.

Really? Are you seriously of the mindset that those who serve(ed) in the military are more valuable in society or are in some way inherently better than people who chose a different career path?

Edit: and another point. The fact that you seem to believe someone cannot have an opinion (much less any knowledge) about the VA unless they have been through it is interesting. I guess that means you don’t have the right to have an opinion about abortion, transsexualism, homosexuality, slavery, etc., etc., etc.


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[Abntroop]

Really? Are you seriously of the mindset that those who serve(ed) in the military are more valuable in society or are in some way better than people who chose a different career path?


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Yeah. Most of us are. I’m not an avid in your face about it guy, but when shitty agendas (like above) get pushed, your damn right. The difference between prior service and civilian is always noticeable. And not usually in a good way. Military service is a right of passage gentlemen and though most folks won’t say it, the fact you dodged it says a little something about you as a man. I have friends who haven’t served, they are fine, upstanding guys, but even they know they just didn’t have the stones at the end of the day and they always have an excuse for why they didn’t serve when in the company of veterans. You can play it off like it’s not important, no big deal, but this is not an everyone gets a trophy scenario. You made your choice and hey! Fuck it right? Who gives a shit if somebody thinks less of you. This forum regularly laughs and touts just how big of dickheads folks can be under the guise of brutal honesty, well there it is, me being a brutally honest dickhead. Glad to be a part of the group! Cheers! [emoji482]


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[JAGS]

Now we are cooking with gas. One thing this thread doesn’t do is lack in entertainment value.

If overlander chimes in, you know shit is getting real.

 

[Abntroop]

Edit: and another point. The fact that you seem to believe someone cannot have an opinion (much less any knowledge) about the VA unless they have been through it is interesting. I guess that means you don’t have the right to have an opinion about abortion, transsexualism, homosexuality, slavery, etc., etc., etc.


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Don’t have or need an opinion on any of the above because I genuinely couldn’t give a flying rats ass about any of those issues. I’m not saying don’t have an opinion on the Va, I’m saying use your dick beaters to do a quick google search and at least show you have done a 5 min read to try and somewhat educate yourselves to just what Va disability means.



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[Ddays]

Yeah. Most of us are. I’m not an avid in your face about it guy, but when shitty agendas (like above) get pushed, your damn right. The difference between prior service and civilian is always noticeable. And not usually in a good way. Military service is a right of passage gentlemen and though most folks won’t say it, the fact you dodged it says a little something about you as a man. I have friends who haven’t served, they are fine, upstanding guys, but even they know they just didn’t have the stones at the end of the day and they always have an excuse for why they didn’t serve when in the company of veterans. You can play it off like it’s not important, no big deal, but this is not an everyone gets a trophy scenario. You made your choice and hey! Fuck it right? Who gives a shit if somebody thinks less of you. This forum regularly laughs and touts just how big of dickheads folks can be under the guise of brutal honesty, well there it is, me being a brutally honest dickhead. Glad to be a part of the group! Cheers! [emoji482]


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Ummm, wow. I can assure you I have zero issues being in the presence of veterans nor do I have any remorse or guilt that I haven't served. Sounds like someone needs to get over themself.
LOL, congrats. This may be the most arrogant post of all time. :grayno:

 

[Abntroop]

Ummm, wow. I can assure you I have zero issues being in the presence of veterans nor do I have any remorse or guilt that I haven't served. Sounds like someone needs to get over themself.
LOL, congrats. This may be the most arrogant post of all time. :grayno:

I don’t care man. And yup, it just may be [emoji23]


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[notnalc68]

Yeah. Most of us are. I’m not an avid in your face about it guy, but when shitty agendas (like above) get pushed, your damn right. The difference between prior service and civilian is always noticeable. And not usually in a good way. Military service is a right of passage gentlemen and though most folks won’t say it, the fact you dodged it says a little something about you as a man. I have friends who haven’t served, they are fine, upstanding guys, but even they know they just didn’t have the stones at the end of the day and they always have an excuse for why they didn’t serve when in the company of veterans. You can play it off like it’s not important, no big deal, but this is not an everyone gets a trophy scenario. You made your choice and hey! Fuck it right? Who gives a shit if somebody thinks less of you. This forum regularly laughs and touts just how big of dickheads folks can be under the guise of brutal honesty, well there it is, me being a brutally honest dickhead. Glad to be a part of the group! Cheers! [emoji482]


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If only we could all be as bad assed as you.


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If only we could all be as bad assed as you.


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Thems the breaks. Sorry bud. [emoji23]


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