Long arm kit ?

wayoflife

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While I do like the standard Clayton lift kit with factory length short arms and, while I do think they make a quality product, I am no fan of radius arms and for the reasons stated. If all you're doing is pavement driving or even bombing through the desert, radius arms are fine but, when it comes to flex, they will immediately be in a state of bind. As piginajeep pointed out, radius arms were first utilized on a TJ to help solve the problem of what to do with the front upper control arms as it was cheap and easy to do and that's it. Having said all that, the factory length arms are way longer than the old TJ and because of it, I personally am reluctant to refer to them as being "short". While longer arms are nice at 3.5"-up of lift, they are far from necessary.

Did you know long arm kits hang low as well. I've installed a quite a few AEV kits and yeah they scrape, as much as everything scrapes when a person rock crawls. If someone is really concerned on scraping especially even with long arm is to do the Evo high clearance setup

Agreed, long arms hang down low as well BUT, unlike overpriced drop brackets that flex and can contribute to the tearing off of the factory mount from the frame, they provide real benefits like strong construction that can take big hits, bind free heavy duty joints, new solid frame mounts and matching rear benefits as well. Just trying to put things into perspective.

How does a mid arm kit work?

Mid arm is just fancy name for factory length arms.

What piginajeep said. The term "mid" would suggest something half way between stock and long arm but the reality is, so called "mid arms" are only 1" longer than stock whereas long arms are typically 10" longer or more. Need I say, a far cry from "mid" and truth be told, nothing more than being 1" too long. This extra length will cause rear spring bow and to the point where your rear track bar can rub up against it and up front, can cause rubbing of your swaybar on the driver side. Not something I personally would recommend.
 

Ant's JK

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I want to run 37s in the future and possibly go to 4-4.5" lift

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olram30

Not That Kind of Engineer
You can fit 37" tires just fine with 3" plush rides on a 2 door with flat fenders
 

snopro

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I want to run 37s in the future and possibly go to 4-4.5" lift

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Check out rebel off-road. They have a two door low center of gravity thread using different lifts and tire sizes using short-arm and now installing longarm and running different tires.
 

olram30

Not That Kind of Engineer
Check out rebel off-road. They have a two door low center of gravity thread using different lifts and tire sizes using short-arm and now installing longarm and running different tires.

I had no idea they knew about lcg. Everything I've seen from them looks sky high. Kinda like that 80's jacked up look.
 

cozdude

Guy with a Red 2-Door
I want to run 37s in the future and possibly go to 4-4.5" lift

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You can fit 37" tires just fine with 3" plush rides on a 2 door with flat fenders

what olram said! a perfect example is Hinrichs jeep. he runs 3" plush rides (yeilds about 3.5" with aftermarket bumpers) and fits 37's under there perfectly with flat fenders. its a beautiful site :yup:
 

snopro

Banned
I had no idea they knew about lcg. Everything I've seen from them looks sky high. Kinda like that 80's jacked up look.

They installed a 1.5 rock Krawler coil lift on a two door = 2.5
When I spoke with RK a few weeks ago before installing a lift on neighbors 2013 2Dr Rubicon and they make a 1.5 coil for 4 door which= 2.5 on two door.
 

olram30

Not That Kind of Engineer
They installed a 1.5 rock Krawler coil lift on a two door = 2.5
When I spoke with RK a few weeks ago before installing a lift on neighbors 2013 2Dr Rubicon and they make a 1.5 coil for 4 door which= 2.5 on two door.

Ok, now I can see if you put a coil that's closer to 3 inches. Rk and their weird sizes.
I thought you meant rebels coil over kit. I would be scared to run that kit on a 2 door and have to make any turns. Might flop it on its side.
 

wayoflife

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I want to run 37s in the future and possibly go to 4-4.5" lift

Sure is a lot of lift just to clear 37's. I run 40's on my white JK with only 3.5" :idontknow:

You can fit 37" tires just fine with 3" plush rides on a 2 door with flat fenders

With a little extra trimming, you can do it on a 4 door too. It's a much better setup in my opinion.

Check out rebel off-road. They have a two door low center of gravity thread using different lifts and tire sizes using short-arm and now installing longarm and running different tires.

LOL!! Maybe it's just me but I'm not sure I'd want to spend that kind of money on a lift assembled by a shop using pieces from "different lifts". But hey, that's just me.

I had no idea they knew about lcg. Everything I've seen from them looks sky high. Kinda like that 80's jacked up look.

:cheesy: Trust me, I used to live by these guys and this is no joke :crazyeyes:
 

snopro

Banned
Ok, now I can see if you put a coil that's closer to 3 inches. Rk and their weird sizes.
I thought you meant rebels coil over kit. I would be scared to run that kit on a 2 door and have to make any turns. Might flop it on its side.

Yeah not a coil-over. Go on their FB page and check it out. They installed three different lifts and went from 35's to 40's and compared flex and bumpstop heights as they went through each one. Then recently install in a long arm and dropping back down to a 37 tire
 

wayoflife

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They installed a 1.5 rock Krawler coil lift on a two door = 2.5
When I spoke with RK a few weeks ago before installing a lift on neighbors 2013 2Dr Rubicon and they make a 1.5 coil for 4 door which= 2.5 on two door.

But, the whole point of going long arm is to IMPROVE the quality of your ride. To this day, I have yet to ride in a JK with RK coils that offer a decent ride. Of course, ride quality is 100% subjective and that is just my opinion. :yup:
 

snopro

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LOL!! Maybe it's just me but I'm not sure I'd want to spend that kind of money on a lift assembled by a shop using pieces from "different lifts". But hey, that's just me.

:cheesy: Trust me, I used to live by these guys and this is no joke :crazyeyes:

It's actually Rock Krawler. They started with a 4 inch rough country and 35's and checked flex then removed it and installed a 1.5 RK 4 door coil and tested it, then did flats and 37's and check it
Eco ect
Not a bunch of lifts combined
 

Ant's JK

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Thank you for that info I'll probably stay at 3.5" then and get flat fenders and just get adjustable short arms. Another question is what options do I have with the pinch seam to run 37s?

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snopro

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But, the whole point of going long arm is to IMPROVE the quality of your ride. To this day, I have yet to ride in a JK with RK coils that offer a decent ride. Of course, ride quality is 100% subjective and that is just my opinion. :yup:

As I stated recently they removed the 40's and installed a long arm and 37's
My point was not saying This lift or that. But they show different options and tire sizes and seemed like good information.
 

snopro

Banned
Thank you for that info I'll probably stay at 3.5" then and get flat fenders and just get adjustable short arms. Another question is what options do I have with the pinch seam to run 37s?

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I personally won't not run more than a 2.5-3 inch on a two door.
I am running 39's and have a 3.5 using Evo bolt on coilovers and flats
 

wayoflife

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It's actually Rock Krawler. They started with a 4 inch rough country and 35's and checked flex then removed it and installed a 1.5 RK 4 door coil and tested it, then did flats and 37's and check it
Eco ect
Not a bunch of lifts combined

:cheesy: They started with Rough Country and then move over to RK? That's all I needed to hear. :crazyeyes:

Don't get me wrong but it's one thing to clear 37's and it's another to offer a good ride that performs well on the trail. Being that the OP was inquiring about long arms, I would think that is more important to him than a shop assembled kit that can clear 37's but hey, that's just me. :yup:

As I stated recently they removed the 40's and installed a long arm and 37's
My point was not saying This lift or that. But they show different options and tire sizes and seemed like good information.

Sorry, I must have missed the tire swap part of what you said. I know Rebel and have no confidence in them. In fact, back when I used to own JKF, they wanted to advertise with us and I wouldn't take their money. In they end, they are still just a shop looking to sell you stuff.
 

wayoflife

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Thank you for that info I'll probably stay at 3.5" then and get flat fenders and just get adjustable short arms. Another question is what options do I have with the pinch seam to run 37s?

The rear will need to be trimmed for sure and quite a bit. Depending on how you have your axle positioned, you may need to trim the rear of your wheel well as well.
 

Ant's JK

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Any recommendations for cutting it? Or the best way to go about it ?

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snopro

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All I know is what I myself personally install on my jeep, which has been several different lifts as well as the other 10-12 lifts per year I install on others. Our group are not by any means heavy hardcore rock bashers. We are all mostly daily drivers and trail riders with a somewhat medium level of income.
So most of the jeeps I build do very well.
 
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