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wayoflife
10-18-2012, 05:38 PM
When word got out that the Little Sluice was going to be altered from the state it had been in for almost 20 years, people were in an uproar. And, truth be told, I can't say I was exactly thrilled by the news either. However, while the recent transformation of the Little Sluice was big news, it was only significant because it was an iconic obstacle on the Rubicon Trail. The sad thing is, there have been work crews on the Rubicon quietly filling in rock gardens with crushed rocks, removing massive boulders, chopping down trees and closing off obstacles from end to end for quite some time now. Many of these changes have occured in just the last 5 years and surprisingly, with little to no resistance. While I understand these changes are being made with good intensions, it sure has been a tough pill to swallow. Looking through some of our old photos, I was surprised to see just how much has changed and thought that some of you might be interested in seeing them as well.

The Gatekeeper
Up until about 2005, the very first 100 yards or so of the Rubicon Trail's Loon Lake entrance was strewn with large boulders and was given the name, The Gatekeeper. As the name implies, if you couldn't get through this first section of trail, it'd be in your best interest to turn around and head back home. Even after the biggest rocks were cleared, the Gatekeeper still offered some challenge up unti about 2010. After that time, work crews came in to crack up more of the big boulders and fill in the rest of the voids with crushed rock.

Gatekeeper Before (2010)
http://project-jk.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=198459

Gatekeeper After (2011)
http://project-jk.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=248045

The Trough
There used to be a length of trail just past Ellis Creek that split off in two with one side requiring you to climb a large granite boulder to the left, and the other having you work your way through a boulder and log strewn trench to the right. I don't know if this lower section of trail had an official name but, we always referred to it as "The Trough". As of 2011, this lower section has been permanently closed off.

The Trough Before (2009)
http://project-jk.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=310139

The Trough After
Unfortunately, I don't have any photos of what it looks like now as it has been closed.

Quarter Panel Rock
Up until about 2009, there used to be a large boulder that was situated about half way between Ellis Creek and the Soup Bowl. In a small, short wheel base Jeep like a TJ or CJ, it was easy enough to get around but, doing it in a wide and long 4-door JK did take some effort. Well, that is, assuming you didn't want to take out your driver side rear quarter panel anyway. Unfortunately, this obstacle has been completely removed.

Quarter Panel Rock Before (2009)
To get by in a 4-door JK, you had to come up high on the passenger side rock wall...
http://project-jk.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=310136

http://project-jk.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=310130

Quarter Panel Rock After (2012)
Here you can see that the boulder is completely missing and the trail is now super wide here...
http://project-jk.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=309204

Snorkel Eater
Just past Quarter Panel Rock, there used to be a significantly off camber length of trail that wasn't actually scary to traverse as the most that would happen is that you'd tip your passenger side windshield header into a rock and earthen wall. Moving through this obstacle slowly, that was easy enough to do but, if you had a snorkel, the odds of you taking it out here were pretty good. Sometime before the summer of 2011, sky cranes dropped large boulders into the trench effectively eliminating it.

Snorkel Eater Before (2010)
http://project-jk.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=310114

http://project-jk.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=310118

Snorkel Eater After (2012)
http://project-jk.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=249098

http://project-jk.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=309213

Cell Phone Rock
Just past Walker Hill, there used to be a large boulder on the exposed side of a shelf section of trail and, it was here that AT&T users could get one last hit of 3G phone service - hence, why we always called it Cell Phone Rock. Honestly, why this boulder was removed is beyond me but, as of the summer of 2012, it was no longer there.

Cell Phone Rock Before
http://project-jk.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=310159

Cell Phone Rock After (2012)
http://project-jk.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=309237

Soup Bowl
The Soup Bowl was always one of those big enough and crazy enough obstacles that most would drive by and not even realize it was something people took on. Back in the day, there used to be a big boulder that made starting your approach difficult. The best you could do is wiggle your way in a bit and then back right into the rock to get yourself lined up. For a lot of rigs, this meant smashing a tail light and there was always plenty of evidence of that. Unfortunately, that rock has since been removed and, while it's still a challenging obstacle to climb, it's just not the same without that menacing tail light crusher in the way.

Soup Bowl Before (2010)
http://project-jk.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=211219

Soup Bowl After (2012)
http://project-jk.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=309408

Little Sluice
Of course, what would a before and after photo essay on the Rubicon Trail be without a few shots of the Little Sluice. I should note that the before shots represent what the Little Sluice looked like since about 1994. I've been told by well respected old timers that before then, it was just another 100 feet along the Rubicon Trail. Even after it's recent transformation, they've assured me that it's still a lot harder than it was.

Little Sluice Before
http://project-jk.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=310147

Little Sluice After (Oct 2012)
http://project-jk.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=309300

Little Sluice Before
http://project-jk.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=310140

Little Sluice After (Oct 2012)
http://project-jk.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=309327

Little Sluice Before
http://project-jk.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=310108

Little Sluice After (Oct 2012)
http://project-jk.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=309369

Thousand Dollar Hill
Just past the Little Sluice, there used to be a rocky descent called Thousand Dollar Hill. As the saying went, "it'd cost you a thousand dollars everytime you went down it" or, something to that extent. It's been my recent understanding that this section of trail actually crossed over private property and because of it, has since been closed. As of the summer of 2012, you can no longer access it.

Thousand Dollar Hill Before
http://project-jk.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=211481

Thousand Dollar Hill After
Being that this section of trail is closed, I do not have a current photo of what it looks like now.

Thousand Dollar Hill - Alternate Route
While this alternate route down Thousand Dollar Hill may have at one time been a bypass for the main descent, years of harsh winters did a good job of chewing it up and, in my opinion, made it a lot more technical and challenging. With the main route closed off, this alternate route has been cleared of it's boulders and level to the point where no challenge is present today.

Thousand Dollar Hill - Alternate Route Before
http://project-jk.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=211515

Thousand Dollar Hill - Alternate Route After (Oct 2012)
http://project-jk.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=309588

The Big Sluice
Unlike the Little Sluice, the Big Sluice was a section of trail that couldn't be bypassed. Coming down and around the switchback, most people had to stop regardless of how built up their rig was just so that they could size up the boulders and pick a good line through them. More times than not, lesser rigs would end up getting high centered here and required a strap or a winch off the rocks and, there have even been a few people who've put their rigs on their lid here. While there had been some minor modification made to the top of the Big Sluice in recent years, as 2012, it's become a super highway complete with retaining walls. Of all changes made on the Rubicon, this one is at top of the list of being is a real disappointment.

The Big Sluice Before
http://project-jk.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=310075

The Big Sluice After (Oct 2012)
http://project-jk.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=309681

The Big Sluice Before
http://project-jk.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=310083

The Big Sluice After (Oct 2012)
http://project-jk.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=309894

The Big Sluice Before
http://project-jk.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=310079

The Big Sluice After (Oct 2012)
http://project-jk.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=309900

The Off Camber Squeeze
Being as tough as it was and, being something that pretty much everyone had to do, the Off Camber Squeeze was probably one of the most well known obstacle on the entire Rubicon Trail. Located about half way down the Big Sluice, this obstacle was essentially a big rock, split in half by a tree growing out of it and, one that was planted right in the middle of the trail. While you could go around on either side of this rock, the most common side forced you to climb very high on a parallel slab and lean you dangerously close to it. While certain death was far from eminent, taking out a mirror, busting out a window or, laying some deep scratches in your body was always a real possibility. As of September 2012, this obstacle has been removed.

The Off Camber Squeeze Before
http://project-jk.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=310090

The Off Camber Squeeze After (Oct 2012)
http://project-jk.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=309723

The Tree Squeeze
Immediately after the Off Camber Squeeze, there used to be another rock planted squarely in the middle of the trail and, if you had the articulation and clearance, you could go around it to the left. For everyone else, going around it on the right was simple enough and only required that you carefully squeeze between it and two small trees. As of September 2012, those two trees have been removed.

The Tree Squeeze Before
http://project-jk.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=310060

The Tree Squeeze After (Oct 2012)
http://project-jk.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=309729

Cadillac Hill Boulder Squeeze
Named after an old Cadilla that sat for years abandoned at the top of this rocky climb, this last stretch of trail connecting Rubicon Springs to Lake Tahoe has always been known for breaking down rigs. On a busy weekend, it's not uncommon to be stuck for hours waiting for a rig to get fixed and or pulled to a point where others can pass. One of the toughest spots along the way used to be soon after leaving Rubicon Springs and just past the first switchback. At this point, there used to be two large boulders that sat just wide enough apart that you could wiggle a small TJ though in between them but, in a much wider and longer 4-door JK, you had to really put your rocker guards to the test. As of the summer of 2012, one of the two boulders has been removed and this is no longer an obstacle.

Cadillac Hill Boulder Squeeze Before
http://project-jk.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=251399

Cadillac Hill Boulder Squeeze After (2012)
http://project-jk.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=286595

While there have been plenty of other changes made to the trail, these are the only ones that I had photos of. With any luck, an update to this thread will not be necessary in the future.

wayoflife
10-18-2012, 06:20 PM
Please note that I just added a couple more photos to the thread and they show a before and after comparison of the Soup Bowl. If you've already looked at all the pics, you might want to hit refresh and give it another look.

matt1171
10-18-2012, 06:42 PM
This is still on my Off-Road bucket list. Since I've never been on the Rubicon before it will still be an adventure for me.

Blonda
10-18-2012, 06:59 PM
Wow, I agree with you, the Big Sluice looks like the biggest disappointment of all :grayno:

RockyJk
10-18-2012, 07:26 PM
This is still on my Off-Road bucket list. Since I've never been on the Rubicon before it will still be an adventure for me.

Same here its a shame that all those changes have been done but its a trail i gotta do before i die hahaha

metalic
10-18-2012, 07:30 PM
Are they changing the name to The X/Sport Trail? lol

I will never have a rig to take on the old obstacles it's still sickening to see money wasted on destroying nature.

rinkishjk
10-18-2012, 07:32 PM
Wow your comparison pics really tell a story.. I remember watching your maple run with the canucks and u guys going down big sluice, and from ur pics I saw it looks nothing like it did on the video.
I still jam to volbeat and that song when he pops his spare on the wag bag I think it's called. One of my favorite videos u guys made!

JKAnimal
10-18-2012, 07:39 PM
WOW those are great before and after pics! It is amazing how much "damage" the county can to to a trail!! What ever happened to keeping it "natural"?

Hopefully they won't keep dumming it down. There are alot of us out here who would like to have a turn at some really challenging trails!

PlenaBarba
10-18-2012, 07:56 PM
Wow, that is quite a change. Still on the bucket list for sure, but I think I better get there sooner rather than later. . .

wayoflife
10-18-2012, 08:08 PM
Wow, I agree with you, the Big Sluice looks like the biggest disappointment of all :grayno:

what we've always liked about the big sluice was that there were no bypasses on it. on some years, it was the one section of trail that took the longest to get through and really, that's where some of the best experiences occured. there are still lines that you can take that are tough but now, they are optional.

wayoflife
10-18-2012, 08:10 PM
Are they changing the name to The X/Sport Trail? lol

I will never have a rig to take on the old obstacles it's still sickening to see money wasted on destroying nature.

what frustrates me the most is that you could have done the rubicon in a stock x/sport before. sure, it took a lot more work to do but, i have seen it done before and it's amazing.

wayoflife
10-18-2012, 08:13 PM
Wow your comparison pics really tell a story.. I remember watching your maple run with the canucks and u guys going down big sluice, and from ur pics I saw it looks nothing like it did on the video.
I still jam to volbeat and that song when he pops his spare on the wag bag I think it's called. One of my favorite videos u guys made!

LOL!! that was definitely one of our all time favorite trips on the con :honey:


It is sad to see but understandable in some ways! :yup:

oh, i totally understand their reasons for doing what they're doing, i just don't know if i agree with them. you make it easier for people to run, you'll have a lot more people running it and with more people comes more problems. but, that's just me.

Mikes Offroad
10-18-2012, 08:43 PM
It's sad to see it change that much, It is also on my bucket list to do. It's just another long drive from the north thats all.

nmwranglerx
10-18-2012, 11:00 PM
Nice comparison photos. Really gives one a sense of the changes made. Like most everyone who has posted, the Rubicon is on my list but seems a bit less exciting now that I've seen the changes. The big sluice indeed looks most disappointing. I guess if they want more traffic on the trail then they're certainly making it less daunting and hence more appealing. I personally don't agree with it but, hey, nobody asked me.

Robar
10-18-2012, 11:52 PM
I hate to see too many changes. I think it should be left as natural as possible when possible, but that won't keep me from running the trail when I get a chance.

wayoflife
10-19-2012, 02:08 PM
while there have been a lot of changes to the rubicon, it is still first and foremost a beautiful trail. and, i should note that there are still plenty of hard lines that you can choose to take - there just aren't as many hard lines that you "have" to take. and, if you're in a rig with 35's or smaller, i think you'll find it to be tough enough :yup:

MTG
10-19-2012, 03:04 PM
I hate to see too many changes. I think it should be left as natural as possible when possible, but that won't keep me from running the trail when I get a chance.

Agreed. This is definitely on the priority list.

silverbackjk
10-21-2012, 12:15 AM
while there have been a lot of changes to the rubicon, it is still first and foremost a beautiful trail. and, i should note that there are still plenty of hard lines that you can choose to take - there just aren't as many hard lines that you "have" to take. and, if you're in a rig with 35's or smaller, i think you'll find it to be tough enough :yup:

Eddie, i have a 4 door jk sport with a 3.5 inch rock krawler lift and 35's would that be ok to run the trail? I only have a lsd in the rear and open dana 30 front.

Thanks, James

Robar
10-21-2012, 12:24 AM
Eddie, i have a 4 door jk sport with a 3.5 inch rock krawler lift and 35's would that be ok to run the trail? I only have a lsd in the rear and open dana 30 front.

Thanks, James

This is from another thread:



Minimum Vehicle Requirements:

• Recoery Points Front & Back
• Rocker Guards
• 35" M/T or AT Tires
• 2.5" of Lift or Higher
• Lockers are Highly Recommended
• Recovery Straps & Gear
• CB Radio

silverbackjk
10-21-2012, 12:27 AM
This is from another thread:

It looks like i have everything but the lockers mine only has the limited slip in the rear. The trail does look much easier than past photos I've seen. Might give it a shot when is the last time to run it before it is snowed in?

FoxC
10-21-2012, 05:42 AM
From the pics, it looks like that minimum requirment list can be reduced some now...:grayno:

wayoflife
10-21-2012, 02:12 PM
Eddie, i have a 4 door jk sport with a 3.5 inch rock krawler lift and 35's would that be ok to run the trail? I only have a lsd in the rear and open dana 30 front.

Thanks, James

as has been pointed out, the main route on the trail is a lot easier now but even before, you could have taken a stock jeep through. sure, it would have taken a lot of work but, i have seen it done. having said that, you shouldn't have any problems getting through the rubicon with your current setup. the only thing that might make it hard for you is if the winter before was harsh, long and if you go too early in the season. in that case, you would encounter big snow drifts and deep water crossings.

naysjp
10-22-2012, 01:40 AM
That is ALOT of changes for one trail. What did they do go in with random sticks of dynamite to different parts of the trail? Wow! I still want to go at least once in my life because it is the Rubicon but that is alot of changes at once. Although I should be happy that my open diff X on 33s will probably go through this trail, I didn't want that opportunity at the expense of tearing down the trail this much.

TeamFaust
10-22-2012, 04:12 AM
Thanks for all of the before and after pics Edie, really helps to tell the story. They really put some time and I am guessing $$ into the trail work.

wayoflife
10-22-2012, 02:17 PM
That is ALOT of changes for one trail. What did they do go in with random sticks of dynamite to different parts of the trail? Wow! I still want to go at least once in my life because it is the Rubicon but that is alot of changes at once. Although I should be happy that my open diff X on 33s will probably go through this trail, I didn't want that opportunity at the expense of tearing down the trail this much.

trust me, there was nothing random about it. they were very specific in what they targeted. it's still a great trail and with 33's, it'll still be tough. if you want tougher, there are lines that you still take... for now anyway. it's just the main route that's been changed.


Thanks for all of the before and after pics Edie, really helps to tell the story. They really put some time and I am guessing $$ into the trail work.

honestly, i can't even imagine how much money has gone into this. we've seen work crews on the rubicon all summer for the last 3 or 4 years slowly doing their thing and with heavy equipment and helicopters. still, i suppose it could be worse - they could have just closed the trail and i know that if the tree huggers had their way, that's what would have been done just like they did this year with the other 42 trails in the area. :naw:

Jkzinger
10-22-2012, 02:53 PM
Eddie, i have a 4 door jk sport with a 3.5 inch rock krawler lift and 35's would that be ok to run the trail? I only have a lsd in the rear and open dana 30 front.

Thanks, James

You should have ran it with us last weekend! We had 5 rigs with 2 with no lockers and worked our way through it no problem.

wayoflife
10-23-2012, 02:06 AM
You should have ran it with us last weekend! We had 5 rigs with 2 with no lockers and worked our way through it no problem.

how was the weather when you were up there? should be getting kinda frosty about now i would imagine.

wayoflife
11-07-2012, 06:40 PM
Looking through some old pics, I came across these and thought it would be appropriate to add them to the mix. The first set of pics are of a really big and old Juniper tree that stood sentinel at the entrance of the Little Sluice for centuries. It was an impressive arbor and one that offered shade to spectators on a hot summers day. Some time during the winter of 2011/12, there was a storm that proved to be a bit too much for this old friend and it finally came crashing down. This is what it had looked like when it was still standing...

http://project-jk.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=146528

http://project-jk.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=249467

And, this is all that's left of it today...
http://project-jk.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=286154

http://project-jk.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=286148

http://project-jk.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=309549

I can honestly say that I never gave it much thought until it was gone but, there used to be another old Juniper tree that stood at the top of Cadillac Hill and we'd often spend some time cooling off under it's shade on one of our many banzai runs to the top. Sometime during the summer of 2012, someone decided that it needed to be chopped down. Unfortunately, I don't think I've ever taking a straight shot of this tree but, it's the tall one providing shade on the right side edge of the photo...
http://project-jk.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=202107

This is all that remains today...
http://project-jk.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=310020

http://project-jk.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=320773

Moochie
11-07-2012, 07:14 PM
I wonder why? I have also spent time beneath the shade of that tree. Tessa enjoyed the shade too. :grayno:

JKRay
11-07-2012, 07:28 PM
Its sad to see something so beautiful not be there, lets hope that it was a sincere reason that it was cut down. :naw:

2000TJDude
11-14-2012, 10:33 PM
Glad I got a chance to run it before all the changes were made. I went through in a TJ on 33's with selectable lockers front and rear with no problems and never even touched the winch. (we did bypass Little Sluice obviously)

Thanks for the great pics and comparisons WOL.

TrailRidden
01-13-2013, 09:07 PM
Holy crap. they rele have made it easier. im surprised they broke so much up and filled so much in.

Tackerdown
01-13-2013, 09:29 PM
should a just bought a liberty.

MikeD
01-15-2013, 02:05 PM
So if making it easier will bring the masses and they will bring the garbage, wear and tear, crime, etc do you California guy's see the trail eventually being closed?

Growing up in the northeast, you dream of wheeling in the amazing places you read about in "mags" and now websites that exist in the western half of the country but I fear it will eventually be like in the east where it's pretty much all closed. We only wheel private land here in NY, there is no public land accessable to us that I know of. Admittedly well meaning but unfortunately poorly informed eco groups and liberals have pretty much complete control of this area and we are locked out of anything we don't privately own, even on private land you can face issues if it becomes public knowledge that you use it for wheelin. Keep fighting for your trails guys, the rest of us still dream of getting out there someday.

Hatewagon
01-15-2013, 03:17 PM
Wow. Thanx for the write up. As sad as the changes are it is still on my bucket list to run.

Smokinjoe
01-15-2013, 04:41 PM
Eddie,

Thanks for the pictures :) My plan is to run Rubicon this year as said earlier it's on my bucket list.

sj

Mad Dog
01-15-2013, 08:10 PM
This makes me sick. It is not a Highway. Why pave it? I was going to hit this trail but now I will not waste my time. Why are we not doing anything to make the state leave our trails alone? They are ether closing trails or paying them.

OverlanderJK
01-15-2013, 08:12 PM
This makes me sick. It is not a Highway. Why pave it? I was going to hit this trail but now I will not waste my time. Why are we not doing anything to make the state leave our trails alone? They are ether closing trails or paying them.

Well its not paved and its not easy. It's easier yes but its still not easy. To say your not going to do it now because its paved is a little bit of an exaggeration.

wayoflife
01-15-2013, 09:29 PM
The Rubicon Trail has been and always will be one of the most beautiful trails that we've ever run. It is the reason why we love it as much as we do. The fact that you get to wheel it has always just been icing on the cake. While I don't like or agree with what's being done, the people responsible for it do believe they are doing what is necessary to keep it open for everyone to enjoy. I should note that even though the main route has been made easier, the trail as a whole is still a challenge for most Jeeps and there are still a few tought optional obstacles that you can still take on... for now anyway. Of course, mother nature has a way of rearranging things too.

JAGS
01-15-2013, 09:37 PM
The Rubicon Trail has been and always will be one of the most beautiful trails that we've ever run. It is the reason why we love it as much as we do. The fact that you get to wheel it has always just been icing on the cake. While I don't like or agree with what's being done, the people responsible for it do believe they are doing what is necessary to keep it open for everyone to enjoy. I should note that even though the main route has been made easier, the trail as a whole is still a challenge for most Jeeps and there are still a few tought optional obstacles that you can still take on... for now anyway. Of course, mother nature has a way of rearranging things too.

I have to agree with Eddie on this. Most of the trails I've run I do for purpose of exploring new areas. The Rubicon trail is on my bucket list. I hear it is a great experience regardless of difficulty.

I'll be planning my run just as soon as I upgrade from stock.

bubblegoose1
01-16-2013, 03:57 PM
Rubicon should be on everyone's bucket list, transformed our not. It is JEEP. :cool:

UndeadJeeper
08-26-2013, 07:14 PM
The Rubicon Trail has been and always will be one of the most beautiful trails that we've ever run. It is the reason why we love it as much as we do. The fact that you get to wheel it has always just been icing on the cake. While I don't like or agree with what's being done, the people responsible for it do believe they are doing what is necessary to keep it open for everyone to enjoy. I should note that even though the main route has been made easier, the trail as a whole is still a challenge for most Jeeps and there are still a few tought optional obstacles that you can still take on... for now anyway. Of course, mother nature has a way of rearranging things too.

I have to agree. I've never been on the Rubicon trail, but I've seen enough pictures that the sights you can see from on this trail are one of the reasons I bought my Jeep. In fact, some of the videos of the WAYALIFE Rubicon rides were among the things that inspired me to take the plunge, ditch my BMW, and get the Jeep. To me, regardless of how difficult the trail is, the simple idea that I can take a Jeep to get to such a beautiful place with such beautiful views will keep that trail on my bucket list forever.

MTG
08-26-2013, 07:40 PM
I was going to hit this trail but now I will not waste my time.

Sweet! Once less "hardcore" wheeler for me to worry about. :rock:

Sudz
05-11-2016, 09:06 PM
bump, i wonder how much more has been paved since this thread :shakinghead:

Clifford33
05-12-2016, 01:01 AM
Aww man that really sucks but I'm still wanting to go on the rubicon some day.

OverlanderJK
05-12-2016, 01:28 AM
bump, i wonder how much more has been paved since this thread :shakinghead:

I don't think it's gotten any easier over the last two years. It'll be interesting to see what it looks like this year.

Dalton gang
05-12-2016, 02:34 AM
Wow, nice thread man! Im kinda bummed out ill never get a chance to take on the original trail, but im sure ill still have a blast.

GraniteCrystal
05-12-2016, 03:31 AM
Lame! Just read this thread for the first time. Makes the whole idea of each new Rubicon model having to make it through the trail a lil less cool.

WJCO
05-12-2016, 03:36 AM
Lame! Just read this thread for the first time. Makes the whole idea of each new Rubicon model having to make it through the trail a lil less cool.

It does kinda suck. Have you done Middle St Vrain ? Every year, people pull the entrance rocks to make it easier and every year local 4x4 clubs re-build it. Same concept, if you can't make it past the entrance, you shouldn't be on the trail.

OverlanderJK
05-12-2016, 03:39 AM
Lame! Just read this thread for the first time. Makes the whole idea of each new Rubicon model having to make it through the trail a lil less cool.


It does kinda suck. Have you done Middle St Vrain ? Every year, people pull the entrance rocks to make it easier and every year local 4x4 clubs re-build it. Same concept, if you can't make it past the entrance, you shouldn't be on the trail.

You guys are kidding yourself if you think this is an easy trail because of the changes.

WJCO
05-12-2016, 03:42 AM
You guys are kidding yourself if you think this is an easy trail because of the changes.

Never been there. Couldn't say.

OJK12
05-12-2016, 03:45 AM
Lame! Just read this thread for the first time. Makes the whole idea of each new Rubicon model having to make it through the trail a lil less cool.

I don't think jeep has used the actual rubicon trail for a while now. I think they built their own version of it at their testing grounds that's built to resemble it that they use for the trail rated jeeps.

Heholua
05-12-2016, 03:58 AM
You guys are kidding yourself if you think this is an easy trail because of the changes.

So true, even with the changes, the weather changes the trail every year. The snow erodes new challenges throughout the trail.

Ginz
05-12-2016, 04:46 AM
So true, even with the changes, the weather changes the trail every year. The snow erodes new challenges throughout the trail.

I would say that's the whole point. Seeing how far you can get, not necessarily always being able to get anywhere. I'm a new jeep owner, and only been wheeling once as a passenger. But I know how you guys feel. Its like if tomorrow they decided to straighten out the tail of the dragon, every biker's dream ride. Hopefully sometime in my life I can wheel the rubicon and ride the dragon.

Rockbottom
05-12-2016, 05:30 AM
I'm going in July for my birthday I'll let you know how it is [emoji3]

MTG
05-12-2016, 05:31 AM
I don't think it's gotten any easier over the last two years. It'll be interesting to see what it looks like this year.

Think the Subie will make it through? :crazy eyes:

Funny to see that it was one of my posts that apparently killed the thread until today.

Desert Crawler
05-12-2016, 08:36 PM
While I don't agree making things easier for less adventurous, the bottom line is there will always be yearly work done on the Rubicon mainly to ensure accessibility. My club is involved in some of the work coming up this month. While it does cost quite a bit of money getting supplies to where they're needed (at times by helicopter), most of the trail work is all done by volunteers. If you can stay up to date with the work being done by checking out the Rubicon Trail Foundation or Friends of the Rubicon websites.

aTX427
08-04-2017, 01:48 AM
I find it interesting that they were concerned with the tree at Tree Squeeze being damaged, so they cut it down. Still want to run the trail though.

Mybadjk
08-04-2017, 02:08 AM
Man it looks like they took all the fun big rocks out!!


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wayoflife
08-04-2017, 02:41 PM
LOL!! Been a while since I've seen this thread.

There's still fun to be had on the Rubicon but it's a far cry from being what it once was. I get that people are doing what they need to "keep it open" but I'm not real fond of the way a lot of them start to act like they own the trail. This goes for a lot of the trails that are "adopted" by clubs.

2011jk
08-04-2017, 02:46 PM
Never been there. Couldn't say.

Yep....NOTHING is easy about the Rubicon trail been going since 2003.

What makes it "easier" is technology improvements, skill and 40's

jesse3638
08-07-2017, 05:29 AM
LOL!! Been a while since I've seen this thread.

There's still fun to be had on the Rubicon but it's a far cry from being what it once was. I get that people are doing what they need to "keep it open" but I'm not real fond of the way a lot of them start to act like they own the trail. This goes for a lot of the trails that are "adopted" by clubs.
Just do it on 35's with 1310's. It'll be plenty challenging...haha.

I can agree to closing off things if it's on private property, doing significant damage, or forcing people to make "new" lines. What I don't agree with is simply changing it to allow for more people with seemingly lesser skill or ill equipped vehicles to run it. The trail is synonymous with Jeep and iconic. To "open" it up to others is a big injustice. That being said I had an absolute blast last year on the Rockin' Rubicon Run and can't wait to do it again.

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Brute
08-12-2017, 10:15 PM
I'll be in South Lake Tahoe tomorrow afternoon, and on the Rubicon Monday morning...


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VeruGE*144
08-12-2017, 10:20 PM
I'll be in South Lake Tahoe tomorrow afternoon, and on the Rubicon Monday morning...


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Man, You are just everywhere. Enjoy [emoji106]

MTG
08-12-2017, 10:20 PM
I'll be in South Lake Tahoe tomorrow afternoon, and on the Rubicon Monday morning...


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Nice! Let me know if you make it to Reno.


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Brute
08-13-2017, 01:39 PM
Nice! Let me know if you make it to Reno.


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I actually go thru Reno on the 580 this morning...


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Sharkey
08-13-2017, 03:26 PM
If you are stopping for breakfast in Reno, I highly recommend Peg's Glorified Ham & Eggs. (The downtown location will be slammed because of Hot August Nights, but you could get into the South Meadows location).

MTG
08-13-2017, 09:17 PM
I actually go thru Reno on the 580 this morning...


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Missed this. But I did see a large motorhome pulling a nice red 4 door behind it. Anyone from your group?

Brute
08-13-2017, 11:48 PM
Not us...I did see a lot of vintage rods in Susanville heading to Reno for Hot August Nights...


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