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Torqt JK
11-05-2015, 04:04 AM
So i'm in the preliminary stages of an upgrade from 35's to 37's and I want to do it right. Currently running the 4" EVO enforcer w/ king 2.5, front 1310 DS, Stock rear DS, D44's that are gusseted. The plan, as I see it, is regear to 5.13's, rear DS, and possibly axle shafts. What am I missing?

1. Can I run a 1350 in rear and keep 1310 in front? or do both have to be same
2. Do i need to make changes to suspension? (bump stops or anything else)
3. Are axle shafts necessary? I know it would be smart to go with a ProRock, but that shits expensive :doh:

I appreciate any input or opinions you guys have

Skid_Kid
11-05-2015, 04:12 AM
When you bought the Enforcer, did you read what it was capable of for the configuration?

With use of 2.5 Diameter shocks, EVO-1113B EVO Front Shock relocation kit is recommended
* Please specify below if you would like the 35 tire or 37 tire clearance package.
* Cutting and grinding is required to complete the installation of the rear roll center correction trackbar bracket.
* Wheel spacers or aftermarket wheels with are required for a complete installation
* Aftermarket CV drivelines are recommended

Torqt JK
11-05-2015, 04:17 AM
When you bought the Enforcer, did you read what it was capable of for the configuration?

With use of 2.5 Diameter shocks, EVO-1113B EVO Front Shock relocation kit is recommended
* Please specify below if you would like the 35 tire or 37 tire clearance package.
* Cutting and grinding is required to complete the installation of the rear roll center correction trackbar bracket.
* Wheel spacers or aftermarket wheels with are required for a complete installation
* Aftermarket CV drivelines are recommended

Ha, Of course I've read that. This is kinda my question. Since I had it configured for 35's, what do i need to do now in order to run 37's?

Skid_Kid
11-05-2015, 04:21 AM
Ha, Of course I've read that. This is kinda my question. Since I had it configured for 35's, what do i need to do now in order to run 37's?

Since you are already running the 4" plush rides, no change there. What bump stops do you have?

Torqt JK
11-05-2015, 04:25 AM
Since you are already running the 4" plush rides, no change there. What bump stops do you have?

The one that came in the 4" kit from evo.

Skid_Kid
11-05-2015, 04:29 AM
The one that came in the 4" kit from evo.

Well I suggest to find out what you bought before going and buying other parts. You might need bump stops. Would not hurt to upgrade your driveshafts if you are going to wheel a lot.

Torqt JK
11-05-2015, 04:35 AM
Well I suggest to find out what you bought before going and buying other parts. You might need bump stops. Would not hurt to upgrade your driveshafts if you are going to wheel a lot.

Just measured bumpstops and looks like 2" in front, 3" rear. Think those have to be swapped out in order to run 37"

JAGS
11-05-2015, 04:41 AM
What skid kid said. Especially the relocation brackets up front with the 2.5s.

The 1310 will be fine till its not. Then consider a 1350 front. You can get by with a stock rear. I'm on my second stock rear in about 18 months.

I'm guessing you have extended brake lines and all the other goodies that came with the kit? How long ago did you get it?

With 37s you may also find issues with clearance. So my question on that is how trimmed are you pinch seams and what BS are your current wheels?

Something else to consider is tire carrier for a 37. You want something serious here as that's a lot of weight. Especially if you plan to wheel. I've seen you sign up for several runs so pretty sure this is for show AND go.

Might be missing something,but that's a good start.

JAGS
11-05-2015, 04:42 AM
Just measured bumpstops and looks like 2" in front, 3" rear. Think those have to be swapped out in order to run 37"

Yup, you need to get the ones for 37s and 4". Give drew a call and he'll hook you up. [emoji106]

Torqt JK
11-05-2015, 04:51 AM
What skid kid said. Especially the relocation brackets up front with the 2.5s.

The 1310 will be fine till its not. Then consider a 1350 front. You can get by with a stock rear. I'm on my second stock rear in about 18 months.

I'm guessing you have extended brake lines and all the other goodies that came with the kit? How long ago did you get it?

With 37s you may also find issues with clearance. So my question on that is how trimmed are you pinch seams and what BS are your current wheels?

Something else to consider is tire carrier for a 37. You want something serious here as that's a lot of weight. Especially if you plan to wheel. I've seen you sign up for several runs so pretty sure this is for show AND go.

Might be missing something,but that's a good start.

Im running the 2.5 shocks now, is there a different relocation bracket needed for 37"?

I have the extended break lines, Kit was installed probably little over two years ago.

I still need to trim the pinch seams. My wheel BS im cant remember, but i have no rubbing in my current setup, no spacers needed.

LoD bumper tire carrier, so im good there

Torqt JK
11-05-2015, 04:59 AM
4.5" backspace

Skid_Kid
11-05-2015, 04:59 AM
Im running the 2.5 shocks now, is there a different relocation bracket needed for 37"?

I have the extended break lines, Kit was installed probably little over two years ago.

I still need to trim the pinch seams. My wheel BS im cant remember, but i have no rubbing in my current setup, no spacers needed.

LoD bumper tire carrier, so im good there

Why do you need to trim the pinch seams? Where did you buy your lift?

Torqt JK
11-05-2015, 05:01 AM
Why do you need to trim the pinch seams? Where did you buy your lift?

Bought and instaled at offroad evolution. 2012 pinch seams stick out farther than the newer models. I would need to trim to run 37', i barely clear now with 35"

Skid_Kid
11-05-2015, 05:03 AM
Bought and instaled at offroad evolution. 2012 pinch seams stick out farther than the newer models. I would need to trim to run 37', i barely clear now with 35"

Are you 100% sure you have 4" springs.....

Torqt JK
11-05-2015, 05:06 AM
Are you 100% sure you have 4" springs.....

LOL yea im sure, 4" springs gave me 4 1/8" lift. Why do you ask?

Skid_Kid
11-05-2015, 05:07 AM
LOL yea im sure, 4" springs gave me 4 1/8" lift. Why do you ask?

Cause you should have no issues with pinch seams at all. Doesn't matter what year your JK is.

dwvninety
11-05-2015, 05:07 AM
Why do you need to trim the pinch seams? Where did you buy your lift?

Per Eddie:

Q: What size lift do I need to get in order to fit 35" Tires?
A: You can practically run 35" tires stock but, you will need to run flat fenders or trim your factory set down. You will also need to trim your pinch seams to prevent them from digging into your rear tires when articulating. I personally would recommend a minimum of a 2.5" budget boost with a 1" body lift to do this with stock fenders but, a 3" lift would be a better way to go.

Skid_Kid
11-05-2015, 05:09 AM
Per Eddie:

Q: What size lift do I need to get in order to fit 35" Tires?
A: You can practically run 35" tires stock but, you will need to run flat fenders or trim your factory set down. You will also need to trim your pinch seams to prevent them from digging into your rear tires when articulating. I personally would recommend a minimum of a 2.5" budget boost with a 1" body lift to do this with stock fenders but, a 3" lift would be a better way to go.

Good job! You quoted Eddie for running 35's from taking it off the dealer lot. Your a friggin winner!

Torqt JK
11-05-2015, 05:09 AM
Trust me I would need to trim the pinch seam to run a bigger tire.

JAGS
11-05-2015, 05:09 AM
Im running the 2.5 shocks now, is there a different relocation bracket needed for 37"?

I have the extended break lines, Kit was installed probably little over two years ago.

I still need to trim the pinch seams. My wheel BS im cant remember, but i have no rubbing in my current setup, no spacers needed.

LoD bumper tire carrier, so im good there

Two years ago = no relation bracket. Not a must, but sooner is better than later. It's $70 add on and extends life of shock.

You'll want to confirm BS or just get wheel spacers to be safe. If you are running beadlocks, you'll be fine.

LoD is a quality set up, so should be fine there.

Gears at 5:13 will be appreciated with the 37s. ORE has the best price on that. And I've been nothing but thrilled with the service and work done there.

If you are running a Rubi, you will be fine on axle shafts, again until your not. Im still running stock fronts for now (56k and about 30k of that on 37s) had to replace rear shafts (after about 50k, 25k on the 37s). I've put 30k on the jeep since about a year and half since the lift and 37s. Lots of road miles and quite a few moderate/heavy wheeling trips. Just to give you an idea.

Since you've already the enforcer a couple years, might not be a bad time to have the shocks serviced and see if ORE recommends anything else from a maintenance standpoint.

10frank9
11-05-2015, 05:10 AM
Cause you should have no issues with pinch seams at all. Doesn't matter what year your JK is.

No true. Prior to '13 the pinch seams need to be trimmed to clear 37's and some 35's.

Torqt JK
11-05-2015, 05:12 AM
Two years ago = no relation bracket. Not a must, but sooner is better than later. It's $70 add on and extends life of shock.

You'll want to confirm BS or just get wheel spacers to be safe. If you are running beadlocks, you'll be fine.

LoD is a quality set up, so should be fine there.

Gears at 5:13 will be appreciated with the 37s. ORE has the best price on that. And I've been nothing but thrilled with the service and work done there.

If you are running a Rubi, you will be fine on axle shafts, again until your not. Im still running stock fronts for now (56k and about 30k of that on 37s) had to replace rear shafts (after about 50k, 25k on the 37s). I've put 30k on the jeep since about a year and half since the lift and 37s. Lots of road miles and quite a few moderate/heavy wheeling trips. Just to give you an idea.

Since you've already the enforcer a couple years, might not be a bad time to have the shocks serviced and see if ORE recommends anything else from a maintenance standpoint.

Good point, I should probably do that. Thx for the input :beer:

Skid_Kid
11-05-2015, 05:12 AM
No true. Prior to '13 the pinch seams need to be trimmed to clear 37's and some 35's.

Actually it is 13.5 and it only in the front of the rear tire. You were there when I did mine.

10frank9
11-05-2015, 05:13 AM
Actually it is 13.5 and it only in the front of the rear tire. You were there when I did mine.

Like I said '13 BROTHER

dwvninety
11-05-2015, 05:13 AM
Good job! You quoted Eddie for running 35's from taking it off the dealer lot. Your a friggin winner!

You would think that if you needed to trim the pinch seam for 35" tires running a 37" tires would need it. But what would I know :crazyeyes:

Skid_Kid
11-05-2015, 05:16 AM
Like I said '13 BROTHER

Really didn't consider that 1" non needed piece a pinch seam. Lol. Since a rig bought 4 months after I bought mine didn't come with it...

Torqt JK
11-05-2015, 05:17 AM
Actually it is 13.5 and it only in the front of the rear tire. You were there when I did mine.

So why were you asking why i needed to trim mine?

Skid_Kid
11-05-2015, 05:18 AM
You would think that if you needed to trim the pinch seam for 35" tires running a 37" tires would need it. But what would I know :crazyeyes:

You quoted what it would take to run 35's at stock height. He is running the same lift as you. So instead of quoting something that has no relevance, why don't you chime in what your rig needed for 37's.

dwvninety
11-05-2015, 05:19 AM
Really didn't consider that 1" non needed piece a pinch seam. Lol. Since a rig bought 4 months after I bought mine didn't come with it...

Had to trim mine running 37" glad I'm one of those friggin winner that did it....

JAGS
11-05-2015, 05:19 AM
On last thing, if you didn't do the drag link flip with your current set up, highly consider it now.

Torqt JK
11-05-2015, 05:21 AM
On last thing, if you didn't do the drag link flip with your current set up, highly consider it now.

Yea I did it already, thx again

dwvninety
11-05-2015, 05:21 AM
No true. Prior to '13 the pinch seams need to be trimmed to clear 37's and some 35's.

So I guess Frank is wrong too?

You quoted what it would take to run 35's at stock height. He is running the same lift as you. So instead of quoting something that has no relevance, why don't you chime in what your rig needed for 37's.

JAGS
11-05-2015, 05:22 AM
Actually it is 13.5 and it only in the front of the rear tire. You were there when I did mine.

Sawzalls are scary!!

Skid_Kid
11-05-2015, 05:24 AM
Sawzalls are scary!!


Not at all...

172407

Torqt JK
11-05-2015, 05:25 AM
Sawzalls are scary!!

Now that I think about it, What did you seal the cut with to prevent rust and such?

Skid_Kid
11-05-2015, 05:26 AM
Now that I think about it, What did you seal the cut with to prevent rust and such?

JB weld, nice and thick. Sand down smooth, prime, paint.

dwvninety
11-05-2015, 05:27 AM
Now that I think about it, What did you seal the cut with to prevent rust and such?

I used this http://www.homedepot.com/p/GREAT-STUFF-16-oz-Gaps-and-Cracks-Insulating-Foam-Sealant-162848/100003351

Torqt JK
11-05-2015, 05:28 AM
haha nice and thick

JAGS
11-05-2015, 05:29 AM
Not at all...

172407

Ha ha. Was speaking of myself. [emoji6] I remember cutting the front supports and was the first time I had ever used one.

Also remember drew being pissed about the dirt. Lol. That was actually kind of funny now looking back. How the fuck was I supposed to know Sedona/Azusa cyn dirt was still in there more than year later. Lol.

Skid_Kid
11-05-2015, 05:30 AM
haha nice and thick

Lol. Make sure to take off some factory paint around the cut first, or at least scuff with sand paper. Helps bond better.

dwvninety
11-05-2015, 05:31 AM
Lol. Make sure to take off some factory paint around the cut first, or at least scuff with sand paper. Helps bond better.

^^^ second that.

10frank9
11-05-2015, 05:32 AM
So I guess Frank is wrong too?

Negative. SkidMarc is talking out of turn. But for the record #overlandersalwaysright :cheesy:

Torqt JK
11-05-2015, 05:33 AM
Lol. Make sure to take off some factory paint around the cut first, or at least scuff with sand paper. Helps bond better.


^^^ second that.

Cool, thx for the tip.

haha tip

Skid_Kid
11-05-2015, 05:33 AM
Also if you are going the foam route, which is not a bad thing. Do a test on something first to let the foam dry, then shoot it with the paint your using. Some paints will break down the foam.

JAGS
11-05-2015, 05:34 AM
Negative. SkidMarc is talking out of turn. But for the record #overlandersalwaysright :cheesy:

[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23] lol.

Skid_Kid
11-05-2015, 05:37 AM
Negative. SkidMarc is talking out of turn. But for the record #overlandersalwaysright :cheesy:

Can I use that hashtag?

10frank9
11-05-2015, 05:41 AM
Can I use that hashtag?

You can cause 60% of the time he's right all the time.

MTG
11-05-2015, 02:06 PM
I did not change bump stops when going from 35s to 37s on this set up.

Torqt JK
11-05-2015, 04:06 PM
I did not change bump stops when going from 35s to 37s on this set up.

🤔 I need to call drew

Crystaliner
11-11-2015, 03:42 AM
I used this http://www.homedepot.com/p/GREAT-STUFF-16-oz-Gaps-and-Cracks-Insulating-Foam-Sealant-162848/100003351

Great stuff is open cell foam.....

Crystaliner
11-11-2015, 03:52 AM
So....did u talk with ORE. What was their advise for your set up?

Torqt JK
11-11-2015, 05:54 AM
So....did u talk with ORE. What was their advise for your set up?

I haven't talked to them yet. Just getting ideas from Wayalifers about their experiences and knowledge. There is so much I want to do but I want to make sure I go about it the right way. Do it right the first time or at least take the right step along the way.

I have been really happy with the Enforcer lift, It's handled every trail and obstacle I have thrown at it really well. I just cant help but wonder how much better of a performance with coilovers and 37" it would be. Nothings cheap tho :crazyeyes:

DWiggles
11-11-2015, 02:01 PM
I haven't talked to them yet. Just getting ideas from Wayalifers about their experiences and knowledge. There is so much I want to do but I want to make sure I go about it the right way. Do it right the first time or at least take the right step along the way.

I have been really happy with the Enforcer lift, It's handled every trail and obstacle I have thrown at it really well. I just cant help but wonder how much better of a performance with coilovers and 37" it would be. Nothings cheap tho :crazyeyes:

I just had the bump stop conversation with them about a month ago, with the 4" springs, you can run 37" tires on the "35" tire package Bump stops" WITH flat/trimmed fenders, the 37" bump stop package allows you to run your factory fenders untrimmed.

When I ordered my kit, I went with the 35" inch tire package for the additional up travel only. Knowing full well, I was putting 37s under the jeep straight away. Hope that helps. :thumb:

Torqt JK
11-11-2015, 05:57 PM
I just had the bump stop conversation with them about a month ago, with the 4" springs, you can run 37" tires on the "35" tire package Bump stops" WITH flat/trimmed fenders, the 37" bump stop package allows you to run your factory fenders untrimmed.

When I ordered my kit, I went with the 35" inch tire package for the additional up travel only. Knowing full well, I was putting 37s under the jeep straight away. Hope that helps. :thumb:

Oh good to know. I should be good then. Do you know if front shock relocation kit is necessary or just recommended with my king 2.5?

DWiggles
11-11-2015, 07:48 PM
Oh good to know. I should be good then. Do you know if front shock relocation kit is necessary or just recommended with my king 2.5?

I dont run the Kings, so I can not comment, but IIRC, 2.5 Kings WILL rub without the shock relocation brackets. :yup:

Yeep
11-11-2015, 09:08 PM
I dont run the Kings, so I can not comment, but IIRC, 2.5 Kings WILL rub without the shock relocation brackets. :yup:

Yes. They are needed or you can get a bent shock shaft..... Ask me how I know...

Torqt JK
11-12-2015, 12:58 AM
Yes. They are needed or you can get a bent shock shaft..... Ask me how I know...

What would they rub against after going up to 37"? I don't have the brackets but am running 35" and have had no issues.