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Dmac08JK
02-07-2018, 02:37 AM
I was at a red light this evening after and I noticed this black Toyota Camry was following so I didn't think it was a big deal. But I was at the red light. A big dude got out of the car and tried to take my flags. Iíve got three old glory /backing the blue Flag , make America great again flag and the US Marines flag. The dude ripped the make America great Flag at the bottom and took off took the old Glory/backing the blue flag.but I still got the US Marines flag. Cuz the light went green so I took off. But I had bout two of all the Flags so I put the new ones on. But why do people feel the need to be so ignorant about how I have take pride in supporting trump and the police also the military. Just thought Iíd share how my drive home was bananas.


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jesse3638
02-07-2018, 02:44 AM
I was at a red light this evening after and I noticed this black Toyota Camry was following so I didn't think it was a big deal. But I was at the red light. A big dude got out of the car and tried to take my flags. Iíve got three old glory /backing the blue Flag , make America great again flag and the US Marines flag. The dude ripped the make America great Flag at the bottom and took off took the old Glory/backing the blue flag.but I still got the US Marines flag. Cuz the light went green so I took off. But I had bout two of all the Flags so I put the new ones on. But why do people feel the need to be so ignorant about how I have take pride in supporting trump and the police also the military. Just thought Iíd share how my drive home was bananas.


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WTF? People suck. I'd have thrown it in reverse. That makes me so angry.

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Dmac08JK
02-07-2018, 02:57 AM
I was thinking about but it but I just got the jeep and I was not ready for that kinda cost for replacing the bumpers his or mine but yeah. IMAC (Iím always carrying) my sig source pistol under my driver seat. But I got out and realized had one in the chamber. No other clips in the jeep at the time. Iím also not that tall Iím 5Ē8 on a good day And 190 soaken wet. The dude was like 6Ē4 280.


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webejeepin
02-07-2018, 02:58 AM
What a bunch of a$$hats! Sorry to hear about your property damage and I'm sure it kind of spoiled your evening. This screams disrespect on so many levels.

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Dmac08JK
02-07-2018, 03:01 AM
not something I would like to happen again but if it doesnít youíll see a nice wayalife front windshield decal on a sick stock looking JK


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Dmac08JK
02-07-2018, 03:02 AM
Being on the news for murder


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III%er
02-07-2018, 03:31 AM
I was at a red light this evening after and I noticed this black Toyota Camry was following so I didn't think it was a big deal. But I was at the red light. A big dude got out of the car and tried to take my flags. Iíve got three old glory /backing the blue Flag , make America great again flag and the US Marines flag. The dude ripped the make America great Flag at the bottom and took off took the old Glory/backing the blue flag.but I still got the US Marines flag. Cuz the light went green so I took off. But I had bout two of all the Flags so I put the new ones on. But why do people feel the need to be so ignorant about how I have take pride in supporting trump and the police also the military. Just thought Iíd share how my drive home was bananas.


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Well next time that happens to you, and you live in a free state somewhere other than California or New York. You do have the right to protect yourself or your property (but please don't quote me on that without first checking with your local and state laws). If in fact you are in your right to protect yourself and property, you should do what the above poster said and reverse on the assailant only to stop the crime in progress.

jeeeep
02-07-2018, 03:40 AM
that's such bullshit, what an asshole.

if the intersection had a cam, i'd call in and file a vandalism complaint, they may still be able to pull the recording.

hell, you might get lucky and have an attempted assault charge on the assfuck

TRLJNKY
02-07-2018, 04:04 AM
To bad you cant wire in some pepper spray for the next ass hat. Be funny as shit seeing the dude approach the back of your rig than get painted Orange and start doing the dying chicken in the roadway haha

OverlanderJK
02-07-2018, 04:08 AM
Well next time that happens to you, and you live in a free state somewhere other than California or New York. You do have the right to protect yourself or your property (but please don't quote me on that without first checking with your local and state laws). If in fact you are in your right to protect yourself and property, you should do what the above poster said and reverse on the assailant only to stop the crime in progress.

That would get you arrested.


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WJCO
02-07-2018, 04:15 AM
What a dick. I would definitely call it in and hope someone can look at cameras.

Not sure about up there, but here in Colorado, you can only use deadly force if you truly perceive that you will receive great bodily injury or death. Here you can't shoot someone for jacking with your shit unless they're threatening you or aggressively approaching you at the same time.

Sharkey
02-07-2018, 04:16 AM
^ This. You donít get to draw your firearm on someone to prevent them from stealing your flag, even off of your front porch. Thatís not the way the castle law works in most states.

HighwayTrout
02-07-2018, 04:39 AM
So you contemplated shooting the guy cause he grabbed a flag off your Jeep?

Try being a responsible gun owner instead. Maybe not drive around with a mobile bill board that you know will draw attention and completely avoid this entire confrontation.

OverlanderJK
02-07-2018, 04:45 AM
So you contemplated shooting the guy cause he grabbed a flag off your Jeep?

Try being a responsible gun owner instead. Maybe not drive around with a mobile bill board that you know will draw attention and completely avoid this entire confrontation.

Shoot first ask questions later. Thatís what cops do right?


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Benito
02-07-2018, 04:46 AM
I was reading through this thread and was shaking my head all the way to china town until some people started talking sense.


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jesse3638
02-07-2018, 05:01 AM
Well next time that happens to you, and you live in a free state somewhere other than California or New York. You do have the right to protect yourself or your property (but please don't quote me on that without first checking with your local and state laws). If in fact you are in your right to protect yourself and property, you should do what the above poster said and reverse on the assailant only to stop the crime in progress.
That would have been my defense and I live in CA...haha. I have the benefit of a LoD rear bumper. Back up run him over drive off then stop and call police.

Edit: May get off criminally but if for sure be sure by someone. That's how this state works.

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TrailHunter
02-07-2018, 05:04 AM
Bummer about your flag. Unfortunately We are surrounded by Assholes. On the other topic here, only reason to pull a firearm is to shoot.... Only reason to shoot is if someone is trying to take your life. Shooting someone over a flag, is the kind of ignorance that removes rights from the responsible gun owners.

Trail JK
02-07-2018, 05:07 AM
Stop resisting, stop resisting!


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Bear_JKU
02-07-2018, 05:07 AM
Best thing you could do in a situation like this is stay in your vehicle, call the police and try and get his license plate number. I can guarantee MOST police officers would stop him and probably arrest him for criminal damage so long as you keep a visual on him.

Yes reversing on him or more extreme action would give you immediate gratification for the damage he caused but that would be very short lived because that type reaction is not warranted in most states for this extent of criminal damage. Every situation is different...

Edit: video or picture on your phone would go a long way to get his ass arrested.

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JeepJeep75
02-07-2018, 06:53 AM
Dashcam with a separate rear view camera... [emoji848]


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III%er
02-07-2018, 07:03 AM
That would get you arrested.


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Please elaborate seeing as you're from CA.

III%er
02-07-2018, 07:25 AM
That would have been my defense and I live in CA...haha. I have the benefit of a LoD rear bumper. Back up run him over drive off then stop and call police.

Edit: May get off criminally but if for sure be sure by someone. That's how this state works.

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So you contemplated shooting the guy cause he grabbed a flag off your Jeep?

Try being a responsible gun owner instead. Maybe not drive around with a mobile bill board that you know will draw attention and completely avoid this entire confrontation.

so you're saying have no backbone and believe in nothing so long as it gets you out of a tight situation?

Sharkey
02-07-2018, 07:25 AM
Penal Code 198.5. You can use deadly force inside your home if you have reasonable fear of imminent peril or great bodily injury. The law says nothing about protecting the flag on your rig.

Sharkey
02-07-2018, 07:27 AM
so you're saying have no backbone and believe in nothing so long as it gets you out of a tight situation?

Lol, really?

III%er
02-07-2018, 07:32 AM
Penal Code 198.5. You can use deadly force inside your home if you have reasonable fear of imminent peril or great bodily injury. The law says nothing about protecting the flag on your rig.


Self-defense as a Legal Defense Under California Criminal Law
California self-defense laws provide that you can't be found guilty of a violent crime that you committed in order to protect yourself, as long as your conduct was reasonable under the circumstances. 1

For purposes of the self-defense legal defense, ďreasonable under the circumstancesĒ means that you need to have:

Reasonably believed that you were in imminent danger of being killed, injured, or touched unlawfully,
Reasonably believed that you needed to use force to prevent that from happening, and
Used no more force than was necessary to prevent that from happening.2

Moreover, thanks to California's so-called ďstand your ground laws,Ē you are under no obligation to ďretreatĒ Ė that is, to run away or try to escape Ė before you use self-defense to protect yourself. 3

Self-defense can be a useful legal defense to a number of California crimes, including:

Murder,
Assault with a deadly weapon,
Aggravated battery, and
Battery on a peace officer.

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but please don't quote me on this as I'm not a lawyer.

Sharkey
02-07-2018, 07:36 AM
Well, I am a lawyer. In Nevada and in California. You cannot reasonably believe you are in imminent danger of being killed, injured, or touched unlawfully when you are inside your car and someone is grabbing a flag off of your bumper. The minute you leave your vehicle and engage them, you are the aggressor. But, by all means, do what works for you. [emoji106]

Sharkey
02-07-2018, 07:39 AM
But props to you for doing a cut and paste of some cheesy criminal defense lawyerís website. 🤙

III%er
02-07-2018, 07:44 AM
Well, I am a lawyer. In Nevada and in California. You cannot reasonably believe you are in imminent danger of being killed, injured, or touched unlawfully when you are inside your car and someone is grabbing a flag off of your bumper. The minute you leave your vehicle and engage them, you are the aggressor. But, by all means, do what works for you. [emoji106]

Actually no situation is the same. And if someone feels they are in danger because another person, and there is damage their property that may or may not end in that person getting mortally hurt or die. No one can say for certain what will happen. So for you to say for certain that the situation can't happen is actually close minded thinking you know too much of the law.

sipafz
02-07-2018, 07:47 AM
Well, I am a lawyer. In Nevada and in California. You cannot reasonably believe you are in imminent danger of being killed, injured, or touched unlawfully when you are inside your car and someone is grabbing a flag off of your bumper. The minute you leave your vehicle and engage them, you are the aggressor. But, by all means, do what works for you. [emoji106]

Is it a full moon? The hot heads are out and ready to rumble!

Sharkey
02-07-2018, 07:49 AM
You are an idiot. It does not matter what ďsomeoneĒ feels. The test is objective, not subjective. That means the jury considers how they would feel in the same circumstances...not how the person asserting the defense actually felt. But, again, do what works for you. Iím sure most jurors in California would certainly conclude it is reasonable to get out of your rig guns a blazing to protect a confederate flag. You are right and I am wrong. I mean, itís not like I have ever actually tried a jury case in California. Lol.

Sharkey
02-07-2018, 07:58 AM
Is it a full moon? The hot heads are out and ready to rumble!

No hot head here...just a guy who values his gun rights and gets sick of extremists taking positions that add to the likelihood of further restrictions on lawful gun ownership.

The ďBilly-the-KidĒ mentality does about as much for gun rights as the ďhold my beerĒ mentality does for having open lands upon which to drive our Jeeps.

TrailHunter
02-07-2018, 08:00 AM
And lets say you ďreverse on himĒ... wouldnít that be a form of assault? ... giving said Prick a right to defend himself.... basically handing him a free pass to put you down? Only way to win this, is to get his plate and call it in. Otherwise your just setting yourself up for failure... over a $5 flag.

III%er
02-07-2018, 08:06 AM
You are an idiot. It does not matter what ďsomeoneĒ feels. The test is objective, not subjective. That means the jury considers how they would feel in the same circumstances...not how the person asserting the defense actually felt. But, again, do what works for you. Iím sure most jurors in California would certainly conclude it is reasonable to get out of your rig guns a blazing to protect a confederate flag. You are right and I am wrong. I mean, itís not like I have ever actually tried a jury case in California. Lol.

There you go being subjective. I simply said that if someone was within thier right to protect themselves and I think you are saying they are not? Of course the outcome is based on evidence. But if they can prove beyond a shadow of doubt that they are innocent. Well then, there you go. But like I f2f said I'm not a lawyer so di t quote me. But you are, so can they quote you?

Sharkey
02-07-2018, 08:11 AM
Yes. By all means. Quote me as saying that you are taking a huge risk by getting out of your rig with a gun and confronting someone for taking a flag off of your Jeep, especially in California. Thatís the advice I would give anyone...not just based on the law, but based on probable outcomes of a jury review of what a REASONABLE person would have done in the same situation. Itís a reasonable person standard, not an ďIím a member of a militia and I only roll my window down 1Ē at check points so I can act like Iím a defender of the ConstitutionĒ standard.

sipafz
02-07-2018, 08:28 AM
No hot head here...just a guy who values his gun rights and gets sick of extremists taking positions that add to the likelihood of further restrictions on lawful gun ownership.

The ďBilly-the-KidĒ mentality does about as much for gun rights as the ďhold my beerĒ mentality does for having open lands upon which to drive our Jeeps.

I shouldíve made that clearer, I was referring to the guy that believes vandalism is life threatening and that itís a good idea to escalate the situation so that everyone loses. Iím with you! [emoji482]

Xhisors
02-07-2018, 08:45 AM
Well next time that happens to you, and you live in a free state somewhere other than California or New York. You do have the right to protect yourself or your property (but please don't quote me on that without first checking with your local and state laws). If in fact you are in your right to protect yourself and property, you should do what the above poster said and reverse on the assailant only to stop the crime in progress.

Seriously never spew this bull shit again. You cant just shoot people and claim self defense or say your life was threatened.. because they grabbed or stole something off your bumper.

Good grief. How do people come to these stupid conclusions??


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Maineiac
02-07-2018, 09:48 AM
I would have accidentally panicked and floored it in reverse. Call 911 and than file a claim against him for damages. He started the path to an accident by causing your reaction. In Cali you'd still probably be charged with something, but worth the risk imo.

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MKBCE
02-07-2018, 10:23 AM
Really sorry that happened and that there are people with view points that your reaction or thinking was wrong and should be not allowed because the low life has rights to violate your personal property and right to expression.


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Zevulin
02-07-2018, 10:43 AM
The scumbag needs to be shot, canít stand a thief!


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HighwayTrout
02-07-2018, 11:44 AM
Shooting someone over a flag, is the kind of ignorance that removes rights from the responsible gun owners.
Yup


Shoot first ask questions later. Thatís what cops do right?

lol
According to the news they only shoot unarmed, in the back, hands up, complying people.


so you're saying have no backbone and believe in nothing so long as it gets you out of a tight situation?
I wish I could grow up to be as tough as you one day.


The scumbag needs to be shot, canít stand a thief!

Haha
Maybe you, the OP and the 111%er clown can start a posse.

WJCO
02-07-2018, 12:12 PM
Here's a relevant case that started last year and I believe is still going on in Washington:

While it appears the Washington law says that you can use deadly force to protect one's property, this guy is being tried for murder because of his actions.

SUMMARY: Homeowner comes home and finds an angry guy that had entered his home illegally without permission. Homeowner perceives that the guy is aggressive. Homeowner leaves him home to get his gun elsewhere nearby, comes back home and shoots and kills the intruder. Homeowner is arrested.




https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/self-defense-washington-man-faces-possible-murder-charge-shooting-showering-n742646

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notnalc68
02-07-2018, 12:27 PM
Yup


lol
According to the news they only shoot unarmed, in the back, hands up, complying people.


I wish I could grow up to be as tough as you one day.


Haha
Maybe you, the OP and the 111%er clown can start a posse.

I was going to respond, but it seems HighwayTrout pretty much summed up everything I had to say.


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catahoula
02-07-2018, 12:29 PM
Just curious, do you have pics of how these flags were on your rig? Were they the vinyl or like a flag pole type?

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notnalc68
02-07-2018, 12:29 PM
Here's a relevant case that started last year and I believe is still going on in Washington:

While it appears the Washington law says that you can use deadly force to protect one's property, this guy is being tried for murder because of his actions.

SUMMARY: Homeowner comes home and finds an angry guy that had entered his home illegally without permission. Homeowner perceives that the guy is aggressive. Homeowner leaves him home to get his gun elsewhere nearby, comes back home and shoots and kills the intruder. Homeowner is arrested.




https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/self-defense-washington-man-faces-possible-murder-charge-shooting-showering-n742646

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Probably because he left to get a firearm. If he walked in, with it in his belt, and shot the guy, heíd probably be fine.


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Zevulin
02-07-2018, 12:48 PM
Yup


lol
According to the news they only shoot unarmed, in the back, hands up, complying people.


I wish I could grow up to be as tough as you one day.


Haha
Maybe you, the OP and the 111%er clown can start a posse.

I have zero interest in being part of any posse, my hyperbolic choice of words was only meant to indicate my disdain for thievery.


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WJCO
02-07-2018, 01:03 PM
Actually no situation is the same. And if someone feels they are in danger because another person, and there is damage their property that may or may not end in that person getting mortally hurt or die. No one can say for certain what will happen. So for you to say for certain that the situation can't happen is actually close minded thinking you know too much of the law.

Now I know why you're using this kind of logic. You're the same guy who couldn't get your winch to work because you didn't read the instructions. Then you blamed Warn for it. Then when members here pointed it out, you got pissed at us. Of course you'd be the kind of guy who would shoot someone over stealing your flag off off your Jeep.

https://wayalife.com/showthread.php/50320-be-careful-when-you-get-a-warn-zeon-platinum-winch

notnalc68
02-07-2018, 01:15 PM
I was at a red light this evening after and I noticed this black Toyota Camry was following so I didn't think it was a big deal. But I was at the red light. A big dude got out of the car and tried to take my flags. Iíve got three old glory /backing the blue Flag , make America great again flag and the US Marines flag. The dude ripped the make America great Flag at the bottom and took off took the old Glory/backing the blue flag.but I still got the US Marines flag. Cuz the light went green so I took off. But I had bout two of all the Flags so I put the new ones on. But why do people feel the need to be so ignorant about how I have take pride in supporting trump and the police also the military. Just thought Iíd share how my drive home was bananas.


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Hey man. That sucks. People are crazy. Sorry your thread was turned into a, ďletís all go shoot someone,Ē sh*t show.


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JeepFan
02-07-2018, 01:17 PM
I was at a red light this evening after and I noticed this black Toyota Camry was following so I didn't think it was a big deal. But I was at the red light. A big dude got out of the car and tried to take my flags. Iíve got three old glory /backing the blue Flag , make America great again flag and the US Marines flag. The dude ripped the make America great Flag at the bottom and took off took the old Glory/backing the blue flag.but I still got the US Marines flag. Cuz the light went green so I took off. But I had bout two of all the Flags so I put the new ones on. But why do people feel the need to be so ignorant about how I have take pride in supporting trump and the police also the military. Just thought Iíd share how my drive home was bananas.


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I think if I was in the same situation I would have to seriously think about if it's worth having all those flags on my vehicle. Especially in todays political and social climate. With all due respect...it seems you're just asking for trouble.

OverlanderJK
02-07-2018, 01:49 PM
Actually no situation is the same. And if someone feels they are in danger because another person, and there is damage their property that may or may not end in that person getting mortally hurt or die. No one can say for certain what will happen. So for you to say for certain that the situation can't happen is actually close minded thinking you know too much of the law.

Youíre an idiot and have no clue what you are talking about. I seriously hope you do not own a weapon of any sort.


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jeep203
02-07-2018, 01:50 PM
First; Iím sorry you got vandalized, itís no way for people to express their opposing opinion in a civilized society. I would have locked my doors, discreetly prepared my firearm for trouble, called 911 and put them on speaker, and filmed the vandals for the police.

That said, we live in . . . Interesting times. The turmoil in Washington has us all on edge.

Old saying; donít want trouble? Donít start none. People who fly flags, in general, are trying to convey a certain message, depends on the flag and the person what that message is. But itís a statement. Some people in my state have window decals that say ďCarry onĒ or some other thing that denotes that they carry a firearm. Theyíre making a statement. Totally defeats the point of concealed carry, but thats an discussion for another forum. In America we tend to think freedom of speech means there are no consequences for that speech, youíve received those consequences. I would suggest that you donít fly flags or apply decals that are a direct challenge/threat to, at least, half our country.

You certainly have a right to your opinions, but we all are at risk to the consequences of expressing our opinions openly. That doesnít mean I think you deserved it, just that you acknowledge your part in it.

Quick example, a former co-worker just pinged me on linked-in, looks like heís looking for work. Heís a talented guy and I am in a position to suggest him for a job. Heís also an openly racist, nationalist, jerk. Oops, he lost the potential for my recommending him 7 years ago when he opened his mouth about how he really feels about anyone who is not white.


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jeep203
02-07-2018, 02:32 PM
Probably because he left to get a firearm. If he walked in, with it in his belt, and shot the guy, heíd probably be fine.


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I agree.

The agreement of living in an organized society is that we submit to the laws and the legal system. There are only a few situations where deadly force is right, never-mind legal. When life or limb is being threatened, either your own or anotherís, thatís it. We live in a country governed by laws, executing someone simply because theyíre doing something you donít like is not only illegal, itís wrong.


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Ddays
02-07-2018, 02:45 PM
No way in hell I'd even consider drawing my firearm in this situation. This person was clearly someone looking for trouble. But over a flag? No one's life is worth a flag. Your's or the fucking retard who felt it necessary to get out of his vehicle to remove it. Carrying a weapon is a grave responsibility. If you're contemplating drawing in a situation like this you shouldn't even be carrying in the first place :grayno:

notnalc68
02-07-2018, 02:49 PM
No way in hell I'd even consider drawing my firearm in this situation. This person was clearly someone looking for trouble. But over a flag? No one's life is worth a flag. Your's or the fucking retard who felt it necessary to get out of his vehicle to remove it. Carrying a weapon is a grave responsibility. If you're contemplating drawing in a situation like this you shouldn't even be carrying in the first place :grayno:

^^^^This


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RageKage
02-07-2018, 03:00 PM
Man, all these comments about guns and shooting someone over a flag.... I love my guns and all but Jesus. When did the answer for everything become shoot first? Whatever happened to using fists? Iím not advocating letís all go around and punch people but if someone is trying to take something of yours 9 times outta 10 a blow square to the nose will cause them to immediately rethink theyíre decision. I know I know violence is not the answer and all that, but what happened to the days of old where if you got into an altercation that resulted in fisticuffs that you stood your ground and exchanged hands. You either won or lost and the outcome was respected. You shook hands after and went your separate ways. You didnít go home grab your pistol and then go shoot the guy hours later because you lost. You learned to fight better. Again, not advocating for violence but itís sure a hell of a lot better than getting out shooting someone over a flag... thatís just insane.


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sipafz
02-07-2018, 03:19 PM
The scumbag needs to be shot, canít stand a thief!


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Youíre kind of a hot head, arenít you? Looking at your 200+ post, it nothing but, bitching or complaining about one thing or another. Why so unhappy?

catahoula
02-07-2018, 03:37 PM
No way in hell I'd even consider drawing my firearm in this situation. This person was clearly someone looking for trouble. But over a flag? No one's life is worth a flag. Your's or the fucking retard who felt it necessary to get out of his vehicle to remove it. Carrying a weapon is a grave responsibility. If you're contemplating drawing in a situation like this you shouldn't even be carrying in the first place :grayno:
100% agreed on that!

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catahoula
02-07-2018, 03:38 PM
Youíre kind of a hot head, arenít you? Looking at your 200+ post, it nothing but, bitching or complaining about one thing or another. Why so unhappy?
Lol! He needs to spread his legs and grab that string and pull it out!

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WJCO
02-07-2018, 03:41 PM
Youíre kind of a hot head, arenít you? Looking at your 200+ post, it nothing but, bitching or complaining about one thing or another. Why so unhappy?


Lol! He needs to spread his legs and grab that string and pull it out!

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I think this member stated in post 45 that his statement was merely an expression, not that he would actually recommend shooting someone for taking a flag. Now the other guy........ :idontknow:

sipafz
02-07-2018, 03:47 PM
I think this member stated in post 45 that his statement was merely an expression, not that he would actually recommend shooting someone for taking a flag. Now the other guy........ :idontknow:

More a continuation of this:

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And this:

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Zevulin
02-07-2018, 04:01 PM
Youíre kind of a hot head, arenít you? Looking at your 200+ post, it nothing but, bitching or complaining about one thing or another. Why so unhappy?

Actually not a hot head at all, couldnít be happier at this stage of my life, I have the privilege of being able to impact peopleís lives in a positive way everyday when theyíre at their lowest! I just happen to be passionate about what is right, and respect for others!


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Zevulin
02-07-2018, 04:12 PM
Lol! He needs to spread his legs and grab that string and pull it out!

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Dude, I hate tampons, only use the pads with wings!
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catahoula
02-07-2018, 05:00 PM
Dude, I hate tampons, only use the pads with wings!
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Lol!!! Super absorby?

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MKBCE
02-07-2018, 05:12 PM
Wow !!!!
I still feel what happened to you was not right of course I don't know your complete story just like everyone else. I don't understand why your rights to express yourself in a law abiding manner is frowned upon here? Yet someone clearly violating your freedom to do so has been defended in the comments here and you should expect retaliation and deserve what you get. Gasp !!! Where has America gone ? That supports anyone stealing someone else's property ???


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notnalc68
02-07-2018, 05:13 PM
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Ddays
02-07-2018, 05:17 PM
Wow !!!!
I still feel what happened to you was not right of course I don't know your complete story just like everyone else. I don't understand why your rights to express yourself in a law abiding manner is frowned upon here? Yet someone clearly violating your freedom to do so has been defended in the comments here and you should expect retaliation and deserve what you get. Gasp !!! Where has America gone ? That supports anyone stealing someone else's property ???


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No one here has stated he shouldn't have stood up for himself. What the rational people here are stating is that even thinking of pulling a gun on someone for ripping a flag off a vehicle is fucking stupid

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jeep203
02-07-2018, 05:21 PM
Wow !!!!
I still feel what happened to you was not right of course I don't know your complete story just like everyone else. I don't understand why your rights to express yourself in a law abiding manner is frowned upon here? Yet someone clearly violating your freedom to do so has been defended in the comments here and you should expect retaliation and deserve what you get. Gasp !!! Where has America gone ? That supports anyone stealing someone else's property ???


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Who defended the thugs who did this to him?


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notnalc68
02-07-2018, 05:29 PM
Wow !!!!
I still feel what happened to you was not right of course I don't know your complete story just like everyone else. I don't understand why your rights to express yourself in a law abiding manner is frowned upon here? Yet someone clearly violating your freedom to do so has been defended in the comments here and you should expect retaliation and deserve what you get. Gasp !!! Where has America gone ? That supports anyone stealing someone else's property ???


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No one has defended the actions of the perpetrator. I read pretty well.


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WJCO
02-07-2018, 05:31 PM
I don't understand why your rights to express yourself in a law abiding manner is frowned upon here? Yet someone clearly violating your freedom to do so has been defended in the comments here and you should expect retaliation and deserve what you get.

Go back and read those comments you're referring to. I can almost guarantee NO ONE on the forum here is against free speech nor standing up for what one's beliefs are. But there CAN be consequences for certain actions. Example, go to an Anti-Trump pussy hat protest while wearing a shirt that says 'Bitch, Where's my dinner?' and see what happens. Or put on a bumper sticker that says 'White People Suck.' Again, see what happens. Just because you believe in something doesn't mean you need to go looking for trouble either.

catahoula
02-07-2018, 05:59 PM
To top it all the "MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN" flag was probably made in China.

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sipafz
02-07-2018, 06:15 PM
To top it all the "MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN" flag was probably made in China.

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Just like his ties:

https://youtu.be/HekJtr8hyX4

Zevulin
02-07-2018, 06:16 PM
To top it all the "MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN" flag was probably made in China.

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My Hillary flag is made in the [emoji631]!


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Maineiac
02-07-2018, 06:19 PM
It's too bad people think they have the right to cause harm or vandalize things just because they don't agree with it. Think of the outrage if you had a gay pride flag or something like that and this happened.

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trailraider
02-07-2018, 06:21 PM
problem solved




i thought this was funny for the hot headed reaction.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDrzMGdYWZc

notnalc68
02-07-2018, 06:22 PM
This thread just keeps on giving.


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WJCO
02-07-2018, 06:34 PM
This thread just keeps on giving.


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Yep. Might as well add this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1mlCPMYtPk

trailraider
02-07-2018, 06:41 PM
Yep. Might as well add this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1mlCPMYtPk


so i'm computer illiterate. how do you post like this and not the link? do you have to be an admin?

Arrcherr
02-07-2018, 06:42 PM
Yep. Might as well add this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1mlCPMYtPk
That movie made me laugh hysterically and feel incredibly uncomfortable all at the same time lol.

bigcale
02-07-2018, 06:43 PM
This and the hammers UTV race have been my entertainment so far today.:thumb:

WJCO
02-07-2018, 06:44 PM
so i'm computer illiterate. how do you post like this and not the link? do you have to be an admin?

See picture below. Click on video icon, a window will pop up where you can add the YT link.

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trailraider
02-07-2018, 06:46 PM
See picture below. Click on video icon, a window will pop up where you can add the YT link.

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well that looks easy . SMH

my 11 year old probably could have figured that out.


thank you

Ddays
02-07-2018, 07:43 PM
Hell yeah, dogpile! Here's a blast from the past for both sides. I laugh my ass off at this every time I watch it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8Q-sRdV7SY

TrailHunter
02-07-2018, 08:03 PM
How most deal with a 300lb Asshole....

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eHmbO6s1DmU

III%er
02-07-2018, 08:34 PM
Now I know why you're using this kind of logic. You're the same guy who couldn't get your winch to work because you didn't read the instructions. Then you blamed Warn for it. Then when members here pointed it out, you got pissed at us. Of course you'd be the kind of guy who would shoot someone over stealing your flag off off your Jeep.

https://wayalife.com/showthread.php/50320-be-careful-when-you-get-a-warn-zeon-platinum-winch

LOL! That thread was strictly for academic purposes, there was no real problem. I've read a lot of threads and post on other sites claiming that some people on this site like to ridicule and demean individuals just because they are less knowledgeable on certain things. And after that exercise and reading tons of threads and post on here, I have to agree that some on here do fit that description. but feel free to carry on with your discussion.

WJCO
02-07-2018, 08:38 PM
I've read a lot of threads and post on other sites claiming that some people on this site like to ridicule and demean individuals ......

Don't like it here, then spend your time on those other sites.

Ddays
02-07-2018, 08:52 PM
I've read a lot of threads and post on other sites claiming that some people on this site like to ridicule and demean individuals just because they are less knowledgeable on certain things. And after that exercise and reading tons of threads and post on here, I have to agree that some on here do fit that description.

No one here ridiculed you or demeaned you for being less knowledgeable on certain things. We said you are the kind of person that we really wish would not carry a weapon lest someone affront you and get shot.

III%er
02-07-2018, 09:06 PM
Don't like it here, then spend your time on those other sites.

LOL! Now I know who's worth communicating with.

III%er
02-07-2018, 09:11 PM
No one here ridiculed you or demeaned you for being less knowledgeable on certain things. We said you are the kind of person that we really wish would not carry a weapon lest someone affront you and get shot.

I was referring to a different thread, not this one.:thumb:

Ddays
02-07-2018, 09:13 PM
I was referring to a different thread, not this one.:thumb:

Whatever chief. I have nothing further to add here.......

Zevulin
02-07-2018, 09:14 PM
LOL! Now I know who's worth communicating with.

Salvo fired, here we go...


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JAGS
02-07-2018, 09:35 PM
LOL! That thread was strictly for academic purposes, there was no real problem. I've read a lot of threads and post on other sites claiming that some people on this site like to ridicule and demean individuals just because they are less knowledgeable on certain things. And after that exercise and reading tons of threads and post on here, I have to agree that some on here do fit that description. but feel free to carry on with your discussion.

Are you really that sensitive. We are all less knowledgeable on subjects than other people. And if you make false statements or ask for opinions, you will get feedback. You brought on the discussions.

Some people here don't mince words. But I've found nearly everyone who's been around for any period of time are good people. Can't or don't accept that fact???? Then maybe this place isn't for you. You won't hurt our feeling if you choose to leave.

notnalc68
02-07-2018, 10:03 PM
LOL! That thread was strictly for academic purposes, there was no real problem. I've read a lot of threads and post on other sites claiming that some people on this site like to ridicule and demean individuals just because they are less knowledgeable on certain things. And after that exercise and reading tons of threads and post on here, I have to agree that some on here do fit that description. but feel free to carry on with your discussion.

You said youíd run over someone for stealing a flag. Thatís a ridiculous statement. Donít blame Wayalife, that that was pointed out to you.


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catahoula
02-07-2018, 10:44 PM
Hell yeah, dogpile! Here's a blast from the past for both sides. I laugh my ass off at this every time I watch it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8Q-sRdV7SY

I totally forgot about JibJab. Loved that shit!:cheesy::cheesy::cheesy::cheesy::cheesy:

Emptybrass
02-07-2018, 10:44 PM
Gotta agree with Sharkey on this one. Minute up step out with a weapon in this situation youíre the aggressor.


When in doubt, throttle out.

catahoula
02-07-2018, 10:46 PM
How most deal with a 300lb Asshole....

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eHmbO6s1DmU


:cheesy::cheesy::cheesy:...just catching up to the thread!

Maineiac
02-07-2018, 11:31 PM
Hell yeah, dogpile! Here's a blast from the past for both sides. I laugh my ass off at this every time I watch it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8Q-sRdV7SY
Lol been ages since I seen that.

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Sharkey
02-07-2018, 11:45 PM
Wow !!!!
I still feel what happened to you was not right of course I don't know your complete story just like everyone else. I don't understand why your rights to express yourself in a law abiding manner is frowned upon here? Yet someone clearly violating your freedom to do so has been defended in the comments here and you should expect retaliation and deserve what you get. Gasp !!! Where has America gone ? That supports anyone stealing someone else's property ???


Haven't felt the need to touch this thread since last night, but I will respond to this. Of course I support expressing yourself in a law-abiding manner and in no way, shape, or form do I support the POS that took the OP's flags. The guy should be prosecuted to the fullest extent possible. I simply took issue with the statement that you could exit your vehicle to address the situation, gun in hand, and end up on the favorable side of the law. I also take issue with the belief that you could simply back over the guy with impunity (although I can make a better argument for that than I could for starting a gun fight.)

If you leave a place of safety to intentionally put yourself in a dangerous situation, do not expect the protection of "stand your ground" laws. If you pull your weapon out but actually don't use it, chances are pretty damn good that you didn't have to pull it out to begin with. A charge of brandishing a firearm is a fantastic way to lose your right to carry a concealed weapon. Some of us value that right very much and, accordingly, we seriously consider the concept of a "reasonable fear of imminent peril or great bodily injury", and how it is applied in court.

BobNH
02-08-2018, 01:56 AM
Haven't felt the need to touch this thread since last night, but I will respond to this. Of course I support expressing yourself in a law-abiding manner and in no way, shape, or form do I support the POS that took the OP's flags. The guy should be prosecuted to the fullest extent possible. I simply took issue with the statement that you could exit your vehicle to address the situation, gun in hand, and end up on the favorable side of the law. I also take issue with the belief that you could simply back over the guy with impunity (although I can make a better argument for that than I could for starting a gun fight.)

If you leave a place of safety to intentionally put yourself in a dangerous situation, do not expect the protection of "stand your ground" laws. If you pull your weapon out but actually don't use it, chances are pretty damn good that you didn't have to pull it out to begin with. A charge of brandishing a firearm is a fantastic way to lose your right to carry a concealed weapon. Some of us value that right very much and, accordingly, we seriously consider the concept of a "reasonable fear of imminent peril or great bodily injury", and how it is applied in court.[emoji106]

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Dmac08JK
02-08-2018, 04:12 AM
Sorry I didnít make it clear enough sorry but I donít not show it I just took it out of the holster to check the clip. I did not take it out of the vehicle just wanted to make sure I had it ready Incase it was need but it was not clear to the naked eye. Sorry for making it seem like I pulled it out of the jeep and flash it.


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Sharkey
02-08-2018, 04:43 AM
No worries man, nobody was talking about about you. You handled yourself fine.

Ddays
02-08-2018, 11:22 AM
Sorry I didnít make it clear enough sorry but I donít not show it I just took it out of the holster to check the clip. I did not take it out of the vehicle just wanted to make sure I had it ready Incase it was need but it was not clear to the naked eye. Sorry for making it seem like I pulled it out of the jeep and flash it.


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Like Sharkey said, I don't think anyone was directing those comments towards you. Nothing wrong with being prepared. That's not what that knucklehead was talking about. He was talking about starting an armed confrontation.

notnalc68
02-08-2018, 12:40 PM
Sorry I didnít make it clear enough sorry but I donít not show it I just took it out of the holster to check the clip. I did not take it out of the vehicle just wanted to make sure I had it ready Incase it was need but it was not clear to the naked eye. Sorry for making it seem like I pulled it out of the jeep and flash it.


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No, man. It was III%er saying you should run him over, or shoot him. You did what you should have done, and you do have a right to be pissed about what happened.


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Scrambler
02-08-2018, 01:50 PM
Sorry I didnít make it clear enough sorry but I donít not show it I just took it out of the holster to check the clip. I did not take it out of the vehicle just wanted to make sure I had it ready Incase it was need but it was not clear to the naked eye. Sorry for making it seem like I pulled it out of the jeep and flash it.


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Iím pretty sure your gun has a magazine and not a clip. Unless, for some reason, you are carrying an M1 Garand around.

Any who, Sharkey is spot on. Common sense prevails (and the law). I constantly run scenarios like this through my head and 99.9% of the time, if I had to choose between fight or flight, flight would be the answer. There would have to be absolutely no way for me to get my family out of harmís way, to fight.




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Ddays
02-08-2018, 02:09 PM
Iím pretty sure your gun has a magazine and not a clip. Unless, for some reason, you are carrying an M1 Garand around.

:rolleyes2: