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phillypete
07-21-2018, 12:54 AM
I just recieved my evo Long Arm kit and Iím an excited to get cutting. Being that my JK is also my daily driver, Iíd like to minimize downtime.

From what iíve heard the long arm install is an arduous journey of self doubt, remorse and finally overwhelming joy.

Would it be safe and/or feasible to install one half (letís say the rear end) of the kit and drive it that way for a week before finishing the second on the following weekend?

Benito
07-21-2018, 12:58 AM
Yes, that is perfectly fine, just be sure you have completely completed the rear end before you try to drive it... and continue to the front

phillypete
07-21-2018, 01:39 AM
Yes, that is perfectly fine, just be sure you have completely completed the rear end before you try to drive it... and continue to the front

What if I do just the right side... jk... lol

Thanks for the reply! This takes some anxiety out of this install.

jesse3638
07-21-2018, 05:42 AM
Having installed a long arm lift (Full Traction 3") in my garage on Jack stands I'd say it's going to be a lot of work to get half done in 2 days. You have to take into consideration you'll probably have to drop the gas tank for the rear and pull the exhaust off for the front. I'm not sure if EVO's kit still requires cutting and rotating the exhaust loop or not. If you have access to a plasma cutter it'll make it go much quicker. I could have used one but having never used one I didn't trust myself not to cut through something I didn't want to. 2 angle grinders, 1 withcutting wheel and one with 30 grit flap wheel will save having to switch wheels. Buy several 1/2" drill bits, DeWalt pilot point bits I found worked well. They didn't walk and they cut fast. They will dull and I think I went through 3 or 4 of them. All said and done it took me 3 and a half week's working on it 5+ days a week, 6-8 hours on my days off mostly by myself. I also installed a EVO draglink flip kit and front and rear drive shafts. I did have to wait for replacement parts because I received some incorrect ones so that set me back a bit too. It's very ambitious and not worth rushing. Maybe plan on a rental car as a back up plan.

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phillypete
07-21-2018, 09:38 PM
Having installed a long arm lift (Full Traction 3") in my garage on Jack stands I'd say it's going to be a lot of work to get half done in 2 days. You have to take into consideration you'll probably have to drop the gas tank for the rear and pull the exhaust off for the front. I'm not sure if EVO's kit still requires cutting and rotating the exhaust loop or not. If you have access to a plasma cutter it'll make it go much quicker. I could have used one but having never used one I didn't trust myself not to cut through something I didn't want to. 2 angle grinders, 1 withcutting wheel and one with 30 grit flap wheel will save having to switch wheels. Buy several 1/2" drill bits, DeWalt pilot point bits I found worked well. They didn't walk and they cut fast. They will dull and I think I went through 3 or 4 of them. All said and done it took me 3 and a half week's working on it 5+ days a week, 6-8 hours on my days off mostly by myself. I also installed a EVO draglink flip kit and front and rear drive shafts. I did have to wait for replacement parts because I received some incorrect ones so that set me back a bit too. It's very ambitious and not worth rushing. Maybe plan on a rental car as a back up plan.

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Jesse, thanks for the heads up!

For me part of the fun is trying to plan out these projects with limited downtime. So any further advice would be greatly appreaciated.

I have access to a plasma and know how to use it. My plan for when we take the Jeep out of service is to have me on the plasma and my oldest son on the angle grinder following behind me.

I am getting a flex exhaust kit to get back on the road ASAP.

Is there any work that can be done prior to cutting? Can any of the brackets be located and drilled before cutting away the old stuff?

Thanks for your help.

jesse3638
07-21-2018, 11:20 PM
Jesse, thanks for the heads up!

For me part of the fun is trying to plan out these projects with limited downtime. So any further advice would be greatly appreaciated.

I have access to a plasma and know how to use it. My plan for when we take the Jeep out of service is to have me on the plasma and my oldest son on the angle grinder following behind me.

I am getting a flex exhaust kit to get back on the road ASAP.

Is there any work that can be done prior to cutting? Can any of the brackets be located and drilled before cutting away the old stuff?

Thanks for your help.
Unfortunately there isn't much that can be drilled with out cutting and smoothing first. Also don't be like me and try to work around the axles and drive shaft. Take them out so you can have more room. Also if you're working of of Jack stands sliding a tire under there with a moving blanket can give you more leverage to lean up against. You can install the bump stops on the axles with out cutting.

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phillypete
07-24-2018, 04:22 AM
Step one: inventory!

BPA
07-24-2018, 05:07 AM
subscribed! l too am looking to get evo long arms installed in my jeep in the future.

phillypete
07-27-2018, 03:25 AM
I was under the Jeep plotting out the install last night. To me the front end seems much more straight forward.

Since Iím doing half at a time is it better to start on the front or rear?

Speedy_RCW
07-27-2018, 03:30 AM
I was under the Jeep plotting out the install last night. To me the front end seems much more straight forward.

Since Iím doing half at a time is it better to start on the front or rear?

I did the math and think itís exactly 50/50. ;)


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RockinAZJK
07-27-2018, 01:33 PM
I was under the Jeep plotting out the install last night. To me the front end seems much more straight forward.

Since Iím doing half at a time is it better to start on the front or rear?

I canít say that itís better by any means, but I can say that I ONLY have the front and have been running like that for almost a year and a half


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phillypete
07-27-2018, 05:12 PM
Does anyone know if the Magnaflow Loop Delete is compliant with this long arm kit?

TrainWreck618
07-27-2018, 05:27 PM
Does anyone know if the Magnaflow Loop Delete is compliant with this long arm kit?

You do not want to delete the loop.


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Benito
07-27-2018, 05:53 PM
I was under the Jeep plotting out the install last night. To me the front end seems much more straight forward.

Since Iím doing half at a time is it better to start on the front or rear?

Thatís where I started. had a slightly different plan of action though, we had two saws-allís and two grinders attacked it from both sides, finished smoothing one side, got it fitted, while that was being welded the other side was finished smoothing and got fitted, and then I moved over to start installing control arms on the side that was finished, I think we installed the front in 6 hours, and the rear in 8 hours the next day. I also used a flex kit temporarily until I figured out the loop. I sounds like ass without the loop FYI.

phillypete
07-27-2018, 05:55 PM
You do not want to delete the loop.


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Is this because of fitment or because you donít like the idea of deleting the loop? I know itís a controversial issue on the JKs. I was just wondering if it will fit with the long arm lift.

Five-N9ne
07-27-2018, 06:35 PM
If itís for exhaust ďtuningĒ, the gain or loss of keeping or removing it is effectively negligible. If I remember correctly from working for a suspension manufacturer the whole reason it was put in was to keep the Y equal length, trying to ďtuneĒ the pulses for scavenging. While a common practice, the power gain or loss is effectively null. The stronger pulses of an unequal setup will scavenge just as well. Cut it out and fit your suspension and call it a day.

rockwell
07-27-2018, 07:17 PM
You do not want to delete the loop.


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Whys that?


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TrainWreck618
07-27-2018, 07:48 PM
Is this because of fitment or because you donít like the idea of deleting the loop? I know itís a controversial issue on the JKs. I was just wondering if it will fit with the long arm lift.


Whys that?


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The Jeep was designed to have the loop, something about equal pressures. The correct way to do the install is to cut it, flip it, and weld it back on.


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jesse3638
07-27-2018, 08:00 PM
I did the math and think itís exactly 50/50. ;)


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^^^This^^^

The rear CA brackets are easier to cut off than the front but gas tank and exhaust removal is required. Up front the brackets are harder to get to but exhaust removal is required. I'd try to focus on a full disassemly (axle, driveshaft, etc.) of which end you choose to do the evening you get home. Also you can set the starting arm lengths in advance. Then start bright and early with cutting. That takes the longest. Don't forget to consider paint drying time.

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Mybadjk
07-28-2018, 02:31 AM
Iím interested to see how this goes. Iíve been wanting to do the install by myself. But seems like a pain. Donít want to get in trouble at the apartments again. [emoji23] good luck on the install![emoji1303]


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wjtstudios
07-28-2018, 02:34 AM
Does anyone know if the Magnaflow Loop Delete is compliant with this long arm kit?

No. I had to have a custom section made after the long arm was added to correct the loop delete.


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jesse3638
07-28-2018, 04:01 PM
Iím interested to see how this goes. Iíve been wanting to do the install by myself. But seems like a pain. Donít want to get in trouble at the apartments again. [emoji23] good luck on the install![emoji1303]


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If you have the work space I'd say go for the install yourself. Having installed a long arm lift myself it isnt the easiest thing to do but you learn a lot. For me it was part of the reason I bought it, to build it too.

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phillypete
07-30-2018, 02:19 AM
^^^This^^^

The rear CA brackets are easier to cut off than the front but gas tank and exhaust removal is required. Up front the brackets are harder to get to but exhaust removal is required. I'd try to focus on a full disassemly (axle, driveshaft, etc.) of which end you choose to do the evening you get home. Also you can set the starting arm lengths in advance. Then start bright and early with cutting. That takes the longest. Don't forget to consider paint drying time.

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Awesome post!!! Thank you!

phillypete
08-02-2018, 03:05 AM
Iím seeing conflicting information in various places. Do I use a 1/2Ē drill bit or 9/16Ē?

jesse3638
08-02-2018, 06:00 AM
Iím seeing conflicting information in various places. Do I use a 1/2Ē drill bit or 9/16Ē?
Follow the instructions included. When in doubt start with the smaller bit. It's always easier to make a small larger not the other way around.

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phillypete
08-02-2018, 11:26 AM
Follow the instructions included. When in doubt start with the smaller bit. It's always easier to make a small larger not the other way around.

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Got it... I saw a thread on here referencing 9/16Ē.

I bought a couple of 1/4Ē bits to use as pilots hopefully that makes the drilling a little easier.

DWiggles
08-02-2018, 01:29 PM
I did mine myself. it WAS a pain, but Still glad to this day I did it. Check my build thread for some tips on it. :thumb:

Good Luck :beer:

jesse3638
08-02-2018, 03:06 PM
Got it... I saw a thread on here referencing 9/16Ē.

I bought a couple of 1/4Ē bits to use as pilots hopefully that makes the drilling a little easier.
I didn't bother with drilling pilot holes. A good center punch and the drill bit nice and straight going slow with oil and you should be good to go.

When are you going to begin?

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Benito
08-02-2018, 04:16 PM
Iím seeing conflicting information in various places. Do I use a 1/2Ē drill bit or 9/16Ē?

You need both I believe, their is 1/2Ē hardware you need to drill holes for on the crossmember, and 9/16Ē holes you need to drill into the frame(on the rear high clearance brackets you need to drill holes in the frame for the control arm bolts) itís a lot easier to weld everything than it is to drill all the holes to mount the brackets. My self and a buddy that welds did the front in 6 hrs and used a flex pipe for the exhaust until I could put the loop back in. we did the rear the next day in 8 hrs, that was with doing custom lower control arm mounts on the axle to make the high clearance kit work with shocks. we used sawz-allís and grinders. I borrowed a plasma cutter but my the compressor we had was too wet so we didnít get much use out of it.

phillypete
08-03-2018, 02:50 AM
I did mine myself. it WAS a pain, but Still glad to this day I did it. Check my build thread for some tips on it. :thumb:

Good Luck :beer:

Iíve read your thread several times prior to committing and now lead up to the first cut.

The Jeep goes up on the jack stands as soon as I get home from work tomorrow night. The plan as of now is just the front end. If things go well I might try the rear as well, but Iím not going to push it.

Friday Night:
Jack Stands
Wheels off

Saturday:
Cut Passenger Mounts
Test Fit and transfer holes
Paint bracket
Drill passenger holes
Paint frame area

Cut Driver Mounts
Test Fit and transfer
Paint bracket
Drill driver holes
Paint frame

Sunday:
Mount brackets
Install arms

DWiggles
08-03-2018, 01:24 PM
Iíve read your thread several times prior to committing and now lead up to the first cut.

The Jeep goes up on the jack stands as soon as I get home from work tomorrow night. The plan as of now is just the front end. If things go well I might try the rear as well, but Iím not going to push it.

Friday Night:
Jack Stands
Wheels off

Saturday:
Cut Passenger Mounts
Test Fit and transfer holes
Paint bracket
Drill passenger holes
Paint frame area

Cut Driver Mounts
Test Fit and transfer
Paint bracket
Drill driver holes
Paint frame

Sunday:
Mount brackets
Install arms

Sounds like a solid plan. CUT THE LOOP STRAIGHT UP AND DOWN. :cheesy: NOT perpendicular to the pipe. ;)

jesse3638
08-03-2018, 02:22 PM
Sounds like a solid plan. CUT THE LOOP STRAIGHT UP AND DOWN. :cheesy: NOT perpendicular to the pipe. ;)
As many times as I've tried to visualize this my mind still won't let me see it...haha.

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phillypete
08-04-2018, 02:33 AM
Well the wife pulled the plug on tonightís festivities for fear of disturbing our neighborhood. A little more progress than planned tonight. Although a couple of the suspension nuts put up more fight than my diminutive air wrench could handle. Repeated doses of penetrant and full compressor dumps got all expect for the top inside mount freed. Worse case senario iíll cut right through that bad boy tomorrow.

Our plasma cutter at work has been acting up so I played it safe with the sawzall. The Diablo blades make short work of it, but expect to waste one on each mount you cut.

I was slightly unsure where to cut so it looks like iíll have some clean up work in the AM. I might try scoring the weld like with a cut off wheel to get things flush.

phillypete
08-04-2018, 11:42 PM
A frustrating Saturday.

First I hit all kinds of delays because the sawzall and angle grinder are through my batteries faster than I could charge them. I even resorted to putting them in the fridge to cool them down after a use to get them charging quicker.

Then, as I was cutting off the driver side front control arm mounts I clipped the brake line!!!

Any advice on a fix?

jesse3638
08-04-2018, 11:53 PM
A frustrating Saturday.

First I hit all kinds of delays because the sawzall and angle grinder are through my batteries faster than I could charge them. I even resorted to putting them in the fridge to cool them down after a use to get them charging quicker.

Then, as I was cutting off the driver side front control arm mounts I clipped the brake line!!!

Any advice on a fix?
I meamt to tell you. Use corded tools. While cordless ones are great for convenience even the best batteries won't last long enough.

Sucks about the break line. Didn't your kit come with longer ones? Or you meant the hard line?

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phillypete
08-05-2018, 01:26 AM
I meamt to tell you. Use corded tools. While cordless ones are great for convenience even the best batteries won't last long enough.

Sucks about the break line. Didn't your kit come with longer ones? Or you meant the hard line?

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Hard line😭

TheGrendel
08-05-2018, 02:14 AM
Hard line😭

Definitely sounds like something I would do. :crazyeyes:

jesse3638
08-05-2018, 05:03 PM
Looking online there seem to be some couplers which maybe you can find at a local auto parts store. Hopefully it works out. How's progress coming?

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Patrykjkur
08-05-2018, 07:32 PM
Getting ready to do mine. Good luck


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phillypete
08-06-2018, 02:58 AM
Looking online there seem to be some couplers which maybe you can find at a local auto parts store. Hopefully it works out. How's progress coming?

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I got the wheels back on around 5p.

It was a battle but I feel like I could have knocked out both halves if it wasnít for some hickups.

Pitfalls to be avoided:
- cordless tools: drills are fine, sawzall ok, angle grinder hell no!! Everytime I plugged a battery into that bad boy it sucked the life right out of it! I took lots of downtime in the cutting process to wait for batteries to charge. For the back half Iím going to invest in one or two 60v battteries. From what I here it makes 20v tools run forever. I might also borrow a plug in angle grinder.

- cut closer for less grinding: on the first side I just hacked the shit out of the brackets with the sawzall and then had a ton of work to go back and clean them up. Essentially I cut them off twice! On the second side I used the angle grinder to establish a starting line then use the sawzall to make the cut. With this method I had very little clean up grinding to do.

- lots of pilot drills: I used a small (maybe 1/8th) drill to get the party started then went to 1/4 and finished up with the 1/2. I might even through a 3/8Ē in the mix for the backside. Iím not sure it made things faster overall, but the periodic sense of accomplishment helped moral.

- slow but firm: the key to cutting steel pressure. Speed builds heat and kills your bit. Use oil to mitigate heat, but even still half trigger is all you need. The drivers side went through like a hot knife through butter because I was able to brace my hands against the driveshaft. I even wedged a piece of wood inbetween my had and the driveshaft, then used my shoulder to apply pressure.

Be careful around the brakelines! Those mother fíers run right over top the drivers side brackets. I think I might have clipped mine when trimming the exhaust loop. This lead to a trip to several auto parts stored and several hours trying to McGiver my brakeline back together.

Buy extra hardware: the one glaring oversight in the EVO instructions is what hardware goes where. Also it should be known that the Stover locking nuts are a one shot sort of thing if you have to back it off and retighten you just have a regular old non-locking nut. I used washers fairly liberally so Iím going to get a couple extra of everything before I crack into the rear half.

phillypete
08-06-2018, 03:01 AM
Looking online there seem to be some couplers which maybe you can find at a local auto parts store. Hopefully it works out. How's progress coming?

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I used a 3/16 compression fitting to mend it for now. From what iíve read a compression fitting is a ticking time bomb on hydraulic lines, so iíll try to find a place to hook up full repair first thing tomorrow. In the mean time Iíll take the slow roads and be ready on the e-brake.

OverlanderJK
08-06-2018, 03:26 AM
Harbor freight has angle grinders for like $14.99. Get one or two if you think itís gonna fail. I have two and have had them for years with no issues.


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Bierpower
08-06-2018, 03:41 AM
Compression fittings are dangerous for brake lines. We always flared both ends and put in a union like this.
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jesse3638
08-06-2018, 07:06 AM
Harbor freight has angle grinders for like $14.99. Get one or two if you think itís gonna fail. I have two and have had them for years with no issues.


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^^^This^^^ Although I don't like the constant on switch. I prefer a trigger or paddle switch in case I slip and let go it turns off. Two work well so you have one for cutting and one for grinding.

Look for a 4" 30 grit flap wheel for the angle grinder 60 if you can't find the 30. It makes clean up grinding take a minute or two. They remove a lot of material. I did not know this when I did my install and a grinding wheel takes forever. I had a 180 and 220 grit which worked well for paint prep but not much else.

Finally, where's the pics?..haha

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phillypete
08-06-2018, 09:23 AM
First you can see the difference between strategic use of the sawzall and just hacking it off.

Then there is the damage my loop too in the removal.

My dogs were getting upset because I was out front all weekend and not giving them attention so I tied the big one to a tire and the little one to a planter. Hard to get more redneck than me this weekend!

Finally I bought these cool Mechanix gloves because I thought theyíd save me from busting my knuckles in the tight spaces under the Jeep. They did this, the back padding works, however the fingers wore through. For what I paid these should last more than one use.

jdofmemi
08-06-2018, 12:40 PM
First, nice work on getting this done and recorded for others to learn from.

Shocking about the gloves. I had been considering a pair, but after seeing this, I will just keep using the cheaper ones, they seem to do better than those.

TheGrendel
08-06-2018, 12:41 PM
i think i'd take the gloves back to the store and ask for a warranty replacement or contact mechanix. that's ridiculous.

OverlanderJK
08-06-2018, 01:34 PM
^^^This^^^ Although I don't like the constant on switch. I prefer a trigger or paddle switch in case I slip and let go it turns off. Two work well so you have one for cutting and one for grinding.

Look for a 4" 30 grit flap wheel for the angle grinder 60 if you can't find the 30. It makes clean up grinding take a minute or two. They remove a lot of material. I did not know this when I did my install and a grinding wheel takes forever. I had a 180 and 220 grit which worked well for paint prep but not much else.

Finally, where's the pics?..haha

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Push the switch half way up and it isnít constant.


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jesse3638
08-06-2018, 01:51 PM
Push the switch half way up and it isnít constant.


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Did not know that.

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phillypete
08-06-2018, 04:22 PM
i think i'd take the gloves back to the store and ask for a warranty replacement or contact mechanix. that's ridiculous.

Meh... I think I was outside the standard use.

Iím going to get a pair of these:
https://www.mechanix.com/material4x-m-pact-impact-gloves

DWiggles
08-06-2018, 07:15 PM
First you can see the difference between strategic use of the sawzall and just hacking it off.

Then there is the damage my loop too in the removal.

My dogs were getting upset because I was out front all weekend and not giving them attention so I tied the big one to a tire and the little one to a planter. Hard to get more redneck than me this weekend!

Finally I bought these cool Mechanix gloves because I thought they’d save me from busting my knuckles in the tight spaces under the Jeep. They did this, the back padding works, however the fingers wore through. For what I paid these should last more than one use.

Nice progress! :thumb:
You're almost halfway there! :brows:

Coop
08-06-2018, 10:43 PM
Great thread! My hats off to you for doing it your self! Canít wait to hear how the second half goes.


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TOPLESS
08-06-2018, 11:08 PM
Good work man! Good luck with the rear.

Mybadjk
08-07-2018, 02:37 AM
Good work! Thanks for the pointers on the doís and donts. Lol learner nice and slow part when doing my rear tire carrier. Now just to do the rear![emoji1303]


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PEACEMAKER1
08-09-2018, 03:30 PM
Looking really good! I thank you for your nice write-up and helping prepare me for my long arm install in Sep. when my new axles come. I am impatiently waiting and living vicariously through your install! Can't wait to see the finish!

jesse3638
08-12-2018, 12:51 AM
So did phase two begin this weekend?

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phillypete
08-12-2018, 02:13 PM
So did phase two begin this weekend?

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Nope. I saw Joe Rogan on Friday night and my parents came in from the east coast.

The rear half will be next weekend. I need to restock on sawzall blades and cut off wheels

jesse3638
08-13-2018, 04:55 PM
Nope. I saw Joe Rogan on Friday night and my parents came in from the east coast.

The rear half will be next weekend. I need to restock on sawzall blades and cut off wheels

How does it feel driving it with only half done?

phillypete
08-14-2018, 02:32 AM
How does it feel driving it with only half done?

Itís not earth shatteringly different, but itís definite better. The rest of my suspension is from the MOPAR kit and my draglink is still standard. Also I
Havenít really aligned anything yet, only straightened the steering wheel.

The bumps in the highway are slightly more subdued, and it seems to track better. Iím excited to get the rear finished and fully align this bad mofo.

phillypete
08-18-2018, 11:32 PM
Hey guys,

I started the rear install this weekend... more to come on that... but here is my question real quick like:

Passenger side rear bracket. The two top holes. What fasteners go in there.

TrainWreck618
08-18-2018, 11:56 PM
After drilling all the front bracket holes out, I said screw it on the rears and had them welded in without bolting them in. Whatís your plan on welding them? You taking it somewhere?


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RockinAZJK
09-06-2018, 09:34 PM
Any more progress made? I was enjoying follow along!


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