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TheGrendel
08-14-2018, 03:51 PM
I'm looking at improving the safety on my JKU. I know lots of people on here have experience with one or both of these cages. I've got an opportunity to buy a used RH 4x4 set up for a good price. But, I like the cleaner lines of the Evo cage.

any pros/cons of both would be greatly appreciated.

wayoflife
08-14-2018, 03:56 PM
I'm looking at improving the safety on my JKU. I know lots of people on here have experience with one or both of these cages. I've got an opportunity to buy a used RH 4x4 set up for a good price. But, I like the cleaner lines of the Evo cage.

any pros/cons of both would be greatly appreciated.

I've run both and can tell you that both are really nice. The EVO cage is easier to install and if you have a 2011-up JK, you'll have better visibility. I also think the EVO cage offers a more finished look without the interior trim and I personally like the position of the grab handles better. That being said, the RH cage is a solid cage with a nice classic look and in some ways, I like it in my 2007 JK because of it. Also, I've seen multiple Jeeps after rolling with the RH installed and it did it's job well. Not saying the EVO won't - I just haven't seen any JK with one installed roll or at least, not as of yet.

Ddays
08-14-2018, 05:23 PM
If ease of installation is a concern then the EVO kit may be the one you want to install. I have the RH cage and really like it. But getting the side pieces in requires you to figure out this weird push, jam, twist and shove maneuver that honestly, you just have to figure out on your own. The install video of theirs online where it just drops right in? Yeah, well that shit ain't happening :cheesy: It's kinda like figuring out that bent nails connected together trick. Once you figure how it works its a snap to do it over.
Still, the quality of the RH is top notch and I do like the round bar design over the squared stock EVO uses. Honestly I'd probably do the RH cage again if I was doing another build because of that only. I have seen an EVO cage and like everything else EVO makes it's pretty damn sweet.

TheGrendel
08-14-2018, 05:38 PM
If ease of installation is a concern then the EVO kit may be the one you want to install. I have the RH cage and really like it. But getting the side pieces in requires you to figure out this weird push, jam, twist and shove maneuver that honestly, you just have to figure out on your own. The install video of theirs online where it just drops right in? Yeah, well that shit ain't happening :cheesy: It's kinda like figuring out that bent nails connected together trick. Once you figure how it works its a snap to do it over.
Still, the quality of the RH is top notch and I do like the round bar design over the squared stock EVO uses. Honestly I'd probably do the RH cage again if I was doing another build because of that only. I have seen an EVO cage and like everything else EVO makes it's pretty damn sweet.

haha, thanks for the tip.

wjtstudios
08-14-2018, 05:53 PM
Thatís the next large mod on my list as well this winter. Is there any added wind noise from either? Do they both work easily with a hard top for the winters here in a Michigan?


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Ddays
08-14-2018, 06:05 PM
That’s the next large mod on my list as well this winter. Is there any added wind noise from either? Do they both work easily with a hard top for the winters here in a Michigan?


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No wind noise that I've noticed with the RH kit. You may have to notch out the Freedom Panels where the knuckle attaches to the factory bar a tad. I had to do that on one side. Looks like the EVO kit fits just fine too.

EDIT: Note - something to watch for if you are running a hardtop and looking at the RH kit: Be sure to not overtighten the knuckles on the top crossbar. I did and it pinched the windshield frame just enough that it caused my freedom tops to leak air. It was so bad I had to use black Gorilla Tape to cut the wind from getting in. Pissed me off so much I took the damn top off & now only run the soft top. (Wish I would have done that from the beginning anyways.)

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fiend
08-14-2018, 07:28 PM
The EVO is chromoly, and so is stronger than the steel RH uses. But at the end of the day, both are just add ons to the stock cage, which is what provides the main rollover protection.

wjtstudios
08-14-2018, 08:34 PM
No wind noise that I've noticed with the RH kit. You may have to notch out the Freedom Panels where the knuckle attaches to the factory bar a tad. I had to do that on one side. Looks like the EVO kit fits just fine too.

EDIT: Note - something to watch for if you are running a hardtop and looking at the RH kit: Be sure to not overtighten the knuckles on the top crossbar. I did and it pinched the windshield frame just enough that it caused my freedom tops to leak air. It was so bad I had to use black Gorilla Tape to cut the wind from getting in. Pissed me off so much I took the damn top off & now only run the soft top. (Wish I would have done that from the beginning anyways.)

308331

Got it. Iíll make sure to keep that in mind this winter.


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CCTX50
08-15-2018, 01:01 AM
Been running RH for years and really like it. No experience with EVO but I do like the lines. When I installed my RH I you my time and did a test fit first. After all looked great I powder coated it and put back in. You will have to trip your freedom panels on the inside a little. Does not cause any wind noise. It is just a fitment issue around the knuckle. When completely installed you cannot even tell.

If I had to do it again I would go RH.

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BaddestCross
08-15-2018, 01:11 AM
If EVO had gone with round bars, I'd use theirs, but since they don't, I'll be using the Rock Hard when the time comes for a cage for Fiona.

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OverlanderJK
08-15-2018, 05:06 AM
I have a rockhard but would go evo next time. Evo is a little more sleek and has better visibility. Canít go wrong with either though.


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uberc4
08-15-2018, 07:19 AM
I agree, EVO if visibility is a concern. The RH is more noticeable, but something you end up getting used to...


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TheGrendel
08-15-2018, 12:22 PM
i ended up passing on the RH4x4 cage. the powdercoat was not a color i wanted. talked to couple of powder coat people. the cost of removing the old PC and reapplying would not be savie much over buying new. so, now i can take a bit more time and decide between the RH and Evo.

wjtstudios
08-15-2018, 12:29 PM
I was looking at them again last night. Both are great, and achieve the same thing. In the end, for me at least, itís going to come down to aesthetics. I like the classic round tube look of the RH. But Iíve got a few months until I pull the trigger before I have to decide.


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TrainWreck618
08-15-2018, 01:43 PM
The rock hard cage is great, no noise that Iíve noticed. I wouldnít hesitate to purchase it again for another jk, but would probably try out the EVO one just to try something different. They are both great sport cages


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rockwell
08-15-2018, 04:01 PM
I looked at both, both are nice. For me it came down to the more subtle look of the EVO. I painted it flat black, and besides the bar going across the dash, it blends in like itís not even there. Everything on my Jeep is pretty much like that. If your the type that likes things to stand out and be accented, a painted RH would look better than an EVO to me for a classic roll bar look. Just my opinion.


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TheGrendel
08-15-2018, 04:12 PM
I looked at both, both are nice. For me it came down to the more subtle look of the EVO. I painted it flat black, and besides the bar going across the dash, it blends in like itís not even there. Everything on my Jeep is pretty much like that. If your the type that likes things to stand out and be accented, a painted RH would look better than an EVO to me for a classic roll bar look. Just my opinion.


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agree with this.

RESURECTIONJK
08-15-2018, 04:31 PM
I donít have first hand experience installing the Evo cage but I have driven two JKíS with it and compared to the RH cage in my personal 2014 JK, I can say I prefer the Evo cage for better visibility and it has a more finished look. The RH cage works great and Iím happy with it but if I had to choose Iíd go with the EVO. Install on the RH was a pain in the ass for me personally.

WhoDoesThat
08-15-2018, 10:07 PM
Both are great cages, but I guess it comes down to which one you like the look of. I've had people who don't know about jeeps ask if my Evo cage was stock. One thing I do have to do is repaint the front crossbar flat since it does reflect onto the windshield at certain times of the day

wjtstudios
08-15-2018, 10:25 PM
Both are great cages, but I guess it comes down to which one you like the look of. I've had people who don't know about jeeps ask if my Evo cage was stock. One thing I do have to do is repaint the front crossbar flat since it does reflect onto the windshield at certain times of the day

Good point on the paint sheen. Iíll need to remember that


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Rocralr
08-18-2018, 12:40 AM
I have the RH with some of their accessories and I love it. No wind noise. I just raised the seat and look over the front bar. I am short and I have no problem seeing.

RyanHanley
08-18-2018, 02:18 AM
I heard that both cages makes your automatic lights not come on since it blocks it not sure how true this is but was curious if others have ran into this problem?

TheGrendel
08-18-2018, 02:35 AM
I heard that both cages makes your automatic lights not come on since it blocks it not sure how true this is but was curious if others have ran into this problem?

I did see someone mention that they made a circular cut out on the Evo sport cage for the sensor.

fiend
11-11-2018, 10:59 PM
No wind noise that I've noticed with the RH kit. You may have to notch out the Freedom Panels where the knuckle attaches to the factory bar a tad. I had to do that on one side. Looks like the EVO kit fits just fine too.

EDIT: Note - something to watch for if you are running a hardtop and looking at the RH kit: Be sure to not overtighten the knuckles on the top crossbar. I did and it pinched the windshield frame just enough that it caused my freedom tops to leak air. It was so bad I had to use black Gorilla Tape to cut the wind from getting in. Pissed me off so much I took the damn top off & now only run the soft top. (Wish I would have done that from the beginning anyways.)

308331

I added a rock hard cage recently and seem to have the issue you describe. The freedom top panels donít quite fit any more and it looks like the top cage bar may be bowing the windshield slightly. Did you figure out a solution (besides switching to the soft top)?


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Ddays
11-11-2018, 11:57 PM
I added a rock hard cage recently and seem to have the issue you describe. The freedom top panels donít quite fit any more and it looks like the top cage bar may be bowing the windshield slightly. Did you figure out a solution (besides switching to the soft top)?


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Nope, I never did. Pisser isn't it? I think once it's bowed that's it. I even tried loosening the knuckles but that didn't work either. I ended up applying black Gorilla tape over the edges of the windshield frame & top to keep my sanity. Looked stupid but it worked.

JKbrick
11-12-2018, 01:54 AM
No wind noise that I've noticed with the RH kit. You may have to notch out the Freedom Panels where the knuckle attaches to the factory bar a tad. I had to do that on one side. Looks like the EVO kit fits just fine too.

EDIT: Note - something to watch for if you are running a hardtop and looking at the RH kit: Be sure to not overtighten the knuckles on the top crossbar. I did and it pinched the windshield frame just enough that it caused my freedom tops to leak air. It was so bad I had to use black Gorilla Tape to cut the wind from getting in. Pissed me off so much I took the damn top off & now only run the soft top. (Wish I would have done that from the beginning anyways.)

308331

Just talked to Bubba about a RH cage, what would you do with this from the get go now?


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Ddays
11-12-2018, 02:07 AM
Just talked to Bubba about a RH cage, what would you do with this from the get go now?


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I'd take a really accurate measurement of the top of the frame somewhere and make sure you don't pinch it any.As long as the knuckles of the windshield bar are tight on the factory roll bar you should be good. If it does leak I guess that would be a good excuse for a nice soft top!

rogerk93
11-12-2018, 02:20 AM
Iím a little confused I have a rock hard cage with a hard top and have no problems, I had to cut some of the freedom panels on the inside where it was hitting the knuckle but thatís all and you canít even see it as the knuckle covers it.


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fiend
11-12-2018, 02:30 AM
I'd take a really accurate measurement of the top of the frame somewhere and make sure you don't pinch it any.As long as the knuckles of the windshield bar are tight on the factory roll bar you should be good. If it does leak I guess that would be a good excuse for a nice soft top!

Iím thinking I might try shimming one or both of the collars on the upper cross bar, adding a little length, and see if that helps.

Thankfully I donít live in a place with a lot of rain or snow, but I do want my hardtop not to leak and whistle.


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Gobicon2017
11-12-2018, 02:34 AM
Dammmm. Wish I would have seen this post sooner. Finished up my RH install last night and have a little wind noise in the drivers side [emoji23]. Guess Iíll try to loosen and adjust if possible. As far as ease of install not too bad, letís just say it was good the kids werenít around to pick up all the FU:&/Ďs. Lol. I would do the Rh again. 314375


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Ddays
11-12-2018, 02:36 AM
Iím a little confused I have a rock hard cage with a hard top and have no problems, I had to cut some of the freedom panels on the inside where it was hitting the knuckle but thatís all and you canít even see it as the knuckle covers it.

I'm sure I over-tightened mine. I did have to hit one side with a dremel just a bit to knock down where the top was just rubbing.


Iím thinking I might try shimming one or both of the collars on the upper cross bar, adding a little length, and see if that helps.

Thankfully I donít live in a place with a lot of rain or snow, but I do want my hardtop not to leak and whistle.

Hopefully that'll do the trick. I don't know how in the hell you'd be able to un-bow the windshield frame. That'd be pretty tricky without going too far the other way.

fiend
11-12-2018, 02:42 AM
I'm sure I over-tightened mine. I did have to hit one side with a dremel just a bit to knock down where the top was just rubbing.



Hopefully that'll do the trick. I don't know how in the hell you'd be able to un-bow the windshield frame. That'd be pretty tricky without going too far the other way.

Yeah. Iíll try it when I have time and report back.


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JKbrick
11-12-2018, 02:54 AM
I'm sure I over-tightened mine. I did have to hit one side with a dremel just a bit to knock down where the top was just rubbing.



Hopefully that'll do the trick. I don't know how in the hell you'd be able to un-bow the windshield frame. That'd be pretty tricky without going too far the other way.

Was the cross bar sloppy as in it seemed too short before you tightened the knuckle? Wondering if or how to shim it first


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Ddays
11-12-2018, 03:12 AM
Was the cross bar sloppy as in it seemed too short before you tightened the knuckle? Wondering if or how to shim it first


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No, it wasn't sloppy, I just tightened it so the gaps were even on the knuckles. I didn't think I was overdoing it, but its easy to do that with the three screws on each knuckle. If you get it tight and then stop you should be fine.

Exodus Jeeps
11-12-2018, 03:46 AM
If it does leak I guess that would be a good excuse for a nice soft top!

Mark, I forgot to mention this. Yes it will probably end up with some form of noise or leak. IMO a soft top is the best solution. All the issues should go away IF itís a good quality soft top.

That being said, just about any of the cages are going to tweak the a-pillar enough to cause this. Exception being Poison Spyder because it doesnít tie to the a-pillar unless you make it tie in. Iíve done it and itís pretty nice, but it takes a little fab work so not really a 100% bolt in. Not hard, but takes patience.



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fiend
11-12-2018, 09:22 PM
Was the cross bar sloppy as in it seemed too short before you tightened the knuckle? Wondering if or how to shim it first


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So I just put in a 1/16Ē shim on each side. My freedom tops fit better. Time will tell if i see any water leaks or have air whistles. 314401


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JKbrick
11-12-2018, 11:31 PM
So I just put in a 1/16Ē shim on each side. My freedom tops fit better. Time will tell if i see any water leaks or have air whistles. 314401


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Looks like a copper washer


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fiend
11-13-2018, 12:01 AM
Looks like a copper washer


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Aluminum. Rectangular piece, about 3/4Ē x 1.5Ē x 1/16Ē.


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JKbrick
11-13-2018, 12:30 AM
Aluminum. Rectangular piece, about 3/4Ē x 1.5Ē x 1/16Ē.


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Cool thanks


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Ddays
11-28-2018, 01:49 PM
Besttop just gave an easy fix for the guys out there with leakers. They just posted this Freedom Top Buyback deal on their website.
The Sunrider ends up costing $200 after they give you the Visa gift card. Not a bad deal and it solves the leaking/air issue.

https://www.bestop.com/national-buy-back

Seahawkfan
11-28-2018, 01:56 PM
Besttop just gave an easy fix for the guys out there with leakers. They just posted this Freedom Top Buyback deal on their website.
The Sunrider ends up costing $200 after they give you the Visa gift card. Not a bad deal and it solves the leaking/air issue.

https://www.bestop.com/national-buy-back

Curious as to why they would want the panels?:thinking:

JKbrick
11-28-2018, 02:02 PM
Curious as to why they would want the panels?:thinking:

Yes that was my first thought,
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Possibly?


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fiend
11-28-2018, 02:54 PM
So I just put in a 1/16Ē shim on each side. My freedom tops fit better. Time will tell if i see any water leaks or have air whistles. 314401


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So with the shims, the tops do fit better than before, but I do hear some wind noise coming from the front corners of the freedom panels. I imagine there would be water leaks there, if driving in the rain. Perhaps the panels are contacting the collars, but a quick look suggests otherwise. Iíll have to chase it down and find a solution.


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Flat Top
11-28-2018, 08:15 PM
I heard that both cages makes your automatic lights not come on since it blocks it not sure how true this is but was curious if others have ran into this problem?

The crossbar on the EVO cages does cover the sensor on mine(causing the lights to always be on). I just popped the sensor out and have it sitting between the dash and windshield.

Clearskies
11-28-2018, 09:25 PM
The crossbar on the EVO cages does cover the sensor on mine(causing the lights to always be on). I just popped the sensor out and have it sitting between the dash and windshield.

I didn't bother, too many places want you to have your lights on now.... Daytime running light too!! thanks EVO :thumb: