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wayoflife
03-22-2019, 12:12 AM
There are few things more annoying than driving a Jeep with driveline vibes - basically, a driveshaft that's vibrating. It's that oscillating hum that comes and goes and comes again like a rolling wave and one that you can almost feel in your body more than you can hear. Of course, because it can be somewhat subtle, it can also be hard to tell just how loud it really is or how quite your Jeep used to be. Over time, it can not only make you feel like a rusty nail is getting gently pounded into your skull, it can actually lead to real problems like fractures in your transfer case. In this episode of the JL JOURNAL, you'll get to see how Cindy and I tracked down and finally fixed the bad vibes we had on our Jeep JL Wrangler. We hope you enjoy.


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ravencr
03-22-2019, 01:47 AM
I have the most annoying vibrations I equate to buffeting similar to on a motorcycle with a poorly adjust windshield or a car with only one window down. It drives me absolutely nuts. Did you ever experience a similar thing on your jk?

Chris

OverlanderJK
03-22-2019, 03:02 AM
Did you really say ďsix guys deep to get there shaftsĒ?


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TrailHunter
03-22-2019, 03:52 AM
Did you really say ďsix guys deep to get there shaftsĒ?


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So many Puns in this video... lol

Blackdragon
03-22-2019, 03:54 AM
I'm impressed at how you got the shaking "Hummmmmm" text sync'd to the audio so well in the video. LOL!

wayoflife
03-22-2019, 04:24 AM
I have the most annoying vibrations I equate to buffeting similar to on a motorcycle with a poorly adjust windshield or a car with only one window down. It drives me absolutely nuts. Did you ever experience a similar thing on your jk?

Chris

Sorry, I'd need to know more about what you're hearing to say for sure.


Did you really say ďsix guys deep to get there shaftsĒ?

:shock: :cheesy: Did I say that out loud? :cheesy:


So many Puns in this video... lol

:cheesy: Unintentional I can assure you but funny none the less. :crazyeyes:


I'm impressed at how you got the shaking "Hummmmmm" text sync'd to the audio so well in the video. LOL!

LOL!! Cindy's handy work.

pop2tu
03-22-2019, 08:24 AM
Great video, I have learned just becuase something is new doesnít mean it is good. Glad you got those shafts balanced

-AINOKEA-
03-22-2019, 09:40 AM
Iím pretty sure I have this same problem on my front d/s as well. 90% of it goes away when I pull it. Problem is we donít have a local shop to balance or fab one here.... very frustrating. Glad you got yours fixed though!


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Seahawkfan
03-22-2019, 10:24 AM
Great video, I have learned just becuase something is new doesnít mean it is good. Glad you got those shafts balanced

I agree. I have a vibe at 62 to 65 mph. I'm getting mine checked soon. Thanks for the great info Eddie and Cindy.

rubiDave
03-22-2019, 12:56 PM
Did you really say ďsix guys deep to get there shaftsĒ?


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I heard that too and wondered who'd be the first to comment on it.



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Andy5160
03-22-2019, 01:34 PM
Great info. Are those king bump stops on the side table for Jet[emoji848][emoji848][emoji848]


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Fionayeti
03-22-2019, 01:41 PM
So let me start off saying Iím a big fan! I enjoy your videos, especially the travel ones where you explore trails and talk about the history of the areas you visit. And I always learn alot from you and the people on this forum. So please take what Iím about to say as curiosity, not criticism.

In case of your driveshaft issue, I have some questions. Iím not here to defend Adamís or any other maker, as it seems youíre not a big fan of branded shafts with cool stickers. I like to support my local vendors too and quite frankly, Iíve had more issues with local 4x4 driveline shops than the big brands.

If I follow your build sequences, it seems you had a short Evo lift, then a Rancho lift and then an even taller Rancho lift. Before the last lift, somewhere in there you put on the new Adamís shafts and it sounded like you were happy. Do you think with all the lift changes, pinion and caster changes, not to mention the new front axle, all those things combined had an effect on the Adamís shafts performance? It sounds like (obviously) the Adamís shafts you bought werenít sized properly for the new lift and axle changes. Is it then Adamís fault the shafts were over-extended and not performing well because of the change in lifts, axle, pinion and caster? Did your local driveline shop confirm that the Adamís shafts were not balanced properly? But if thatís true then how were they working well before the new lift? Are shafts balanced per lift height?

Why didnít you give Adamís a call (Maybe you did) and tell them your problem and give them a chance to make a wrong a right? If you did call them, did they not want to help you fix the problem? I doubt if you had an issue with your new Dynatrac axle you would have gone to your local axle shop and have them fix it and then say Dynatrac screwed up. Youíd let Dynatrac or any of the other brands stuck to the side of your Jeep make the wrong a right. Which as respected brands, they should, especially when you support their products.

I suppose now IĎll get lots of forum backlash coming to your defense! Ha! Seriously, Iím just trying to understand. I trust your judgement and professionalism. I run some of the brands you support, because I see them work on your Jeep, therefore, Iím less skeptical, so I trust that theyíll work for my applications.

Keep up the great work!

OverlanderJK
03-22-2019, 01:58 PM
So let me start off saying Iím a big fan! I enjoy your videos, especially the travel ones where you explore trails and talk about the history of the areas you visit. And I always learn alot from you and the people on this forum. So please take what Iím about to say as curiosity, not criticism.

In case of your driveshaft issue, I have some questions. Iím not here to defend Adamís or any other maker, as it seems youíre not a big fan of branded shafts with cool stickers. I like to support my local vendors too and quite frankly, Iíve had more issues with local 4x4 driveline shops than the big brands.

If I follow your build sequences, it seems you had a short Evo lift, then a Rancho lift and then an even taller Rancho lift. Before the last lift, somewhere in there you put on the new Adamís shafts and it sounded like you were happy. Do you think with all the lift changes, pinion and caster changes, not to mention the new front axle, all those things combined had an effect on the Adamís shafts performance? It sounds like (obviously) the Adamís shafts you bought werenít sized properly for the new lift and axle changes. Is it then Adamís fault the shafts were over-extended and not performing well because of the change in lifts, axle, pinion and caster? Did your local driveline shop confirm that the Adamís shafts were not balanced properly? But if thatís true then how were they working well before the new lift? Are shafts balanced per lift height?

Why didnít you give Adamís a call (Maybe you did) and tell them your problem and give them a chance to make a wrong a right? If you did call them, did they not want to help you fix the problem? I doubt if you had an issue with your new Dynatrac axle you would have gone to your local axle shop and have them fix it and then say Dynatrac screwed up. Youíd let Dynatrac or any of the other brands stuck to the side of your Jeep make the wrong a right. Which as respected brands, they should, especially when you support their products.

I suppose now IĎll get lots of forum backlash coming to your defense! Ha! Seriously, Iím just trying to understand. I trust your judgement and professionalism. I run some of the brands you support, because I see them work on your Jeep, therefore, Iím less skeptical, so I trust that theyíll work for my applications.

Keep up the great work!

Youíre a fucking idiot.


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WJCO
03-22-2019, 02:07 PM
So....blah blah blah........

Did you watch the actual video and pay attention to it?

SUMMARY:

Test drive in the beginning verified a driveline vibration.

Front shaft was removed and vibration was still there but quieter. So they also removed the rear shaft.
Both shafts taken to driveline shop and rebalanced both and the front also had to have length changed.

Rear put back on, quiet as can be. That fixed the rear vibration.

Front put back on, again quiet as can be. That fixed the front vibration.

The only variable removed from the equation and repaired was the drive shafts. That's what was wrong with it.

wayoflife
03-22-2019, 02:17 PM
Great video, I have learned just becuase something is new doesnít mean it is good. Glad you got those shafts balanced

It's tough because you would think that something new would NOT be the source of a problem. Makes finding said problem that much harder. But, all is good now :yup:


Iím pretty sure I have this same problem on my front d/s as well. 90% of it goes away when I pull it. Problem is we donít have a local shop to balance or fab one here.... very frustrating. Glad you got yours fixed though!

Well that sucks that you don't have anyone local to work with. But, before you do anything, I would confirm that your caster is set to 4į. More than that and that can give you vibes.


I agree. I have a vibe at 62 to 65 mph. I'm getting mine checked soon. Thanks for the great info Eddie and Cindy.

As mentioned, be sure to verify that your caster is set to factory 4į and that your rear pinion is in line with your drive shaft. If all that checks out, THEN look into getting a rebalance.


Great info. Are those king bump stops on the side table for Jet[emoji848][emoji848][emoji848]

LOL!! Good eye. :cheesy:

Brute
03-22-2019, 02:33 PM
Iíve had a bad rear driveline vibration before...it appeared that I knocked off a weight on the trail (Rubicon) and had to drive back to Seattle while trying to find the perfect speed that minimized the vibration...it sucked.

Thank you for the informative video...it had a good vibe...

benatc1
03-22-2019, 02:59 PM
Good informative video, too me it kinda looks like it's easier to change a shaft on a jl compared to a jk, like easier access. But maybe not

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Fionayeti
03-22-2019, 03:03 PM
Yup I watched. Just wondering why Adam's didn't fix the problem. Sorry to offend that SoCal libtard and yourself. I don't think calling people F-ing idiots is helpful. Just trying to understand.

WJCO
03-22-2019, 03:08 PM
Sorry to offend that SoCal libtard and yourself.

I'm far from offended.

As far as SoCal libtards, not sure who you're referring to, but if it's Overlander, he's probably the furthest thing away from a libtard on that political spectrum.

benatc1
03-22-2019, 03:12 PM
Yup I watched. Just wondering why Adam's didn't fix the problem. Sorry to offend that SoCal libtard and yourself. I don't think calling people F-ing idiots is helpful. Just trying to understand.
He changed pinion angle and caster a bunch so im pretty sure that means he was trying to dial in with his lift height. Plus, while I may be wrong, the 3.5 Rancho is the only lift he's ran with aftermarket driveshafts on Jet Li. On top of all that, knowing Eddie, I would assume be would go with what he knows and can get him going fast and correctly, rather than weeks off drawn out time for the manufacturer to hopefully get it right, it's one thing when you know and trust them to fix it..I also don't think he was so much griping about the cost to fix as much as the difference in original cost, just my thoughts though.

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WJCO
03-22-2019, 03:14 PM
Also from the sounds of it, it appears that they didn't even know the driveshafts WERE the problem until they removed them, rebalanced them, and reinstalled them. It's not like you can visually look at it and say 'it's out of balance.'

Fionayeti
03-22-2019, 03:16 PM
I'm far from offended.

As far as SoCal libtards, not sure who you're referring to, but if it's Overlander, he's probably the furthest thing away from a libtard on that political spectrum.

Good, then perhaps I could get along with Overlander...even with his potty mouth. If he's so far right then what's he doing in Calistupid then? Either way, the shafts were fine when installed and then all of a sudden they're not. So why? And why didn't Adam's fix the problem?

wayoflife
03-22-2019, 03:17 PM
So let me start off saying Iím a big fan! I enjoy your videos, especially the travel ones where you explore trails and talk about the history of the areas you visit. And I always learn alot from you and the people on this forum. So please take what Iím about to say as curiosity, not criticism.

So, let me start off by saying, I don't have a clue as to who you are but for a guy who says he really enjoys our videos, I'm kinda surprised that you missed so many details that should have made things crystal clear.


In case of your driveshaft issue, I have some questions. Iím not here to defend Adamís or any other maker, as it seems youíre not a big fan of branded shafts with cool stickers. I like to support my local vendors too and quite frankly, Iíve had more issues with local 4x4 driveline shops than the big brands.

In the case of your local driveline shop, I guess it sucks to be you. Of course, there's a reason why I never mentioned Adam's in this video and it's because I wasn't trying to throw them under the bus. Not like I wouldn't have a right to being that I am a PAYING CUSTOMER who paid more than double what it would have cost me to have a shaft made locally but, I digress.


If I follow your build sequences, it seems you had a short Evo lift, then a Rancho lift and then an even taller Rancho lift. Before the last lift, somewhere in there you put on the new Adamís shafts and it sounded like you were happy. Do you think with all the lift changes, pinion and caster changes, not to mention the new front axle, all those things combined had an effect on the Adamís shafts performance? It sounds like (obviously) the Adamís shafts you bought werenít sized properly for the new lift and axle changes. Is it then Adamís fault the shafts were over-extended and not performing well because of the change in lifts, axle, pinion and caster?

Apparently, you haven't been following very carefully. If you had, you would have known that we installed our Adam's driveshafts AFTER installing our tall Rancho Lift and SPECIFICALLY because the factory driveshaft is too wide in diameter and was hitting our gas tank skid plate. The new shafts were to help mitigate this and we ultimately ended up installing a track bar relocation bracket as well to help things out even more. As I stated in this video, we had a vibration from day one but made the assumption that it might have been due to me having done something wrong. I went on to explain how I tried making adjustment after adjustment but could never get it right or at least, not until getting the rear shaft re-balanced. Also, since you seemed to have missed it in all our videos including this one, the front shaft will NOT spin unless you're in 4WD and this is because of the FAD. After installing our ProRock 44, we really started to hear and feel bad vibrations even after setting the pinion in line with the shaft. Of course, this is only something we could do being that the ProRock has so much built in caster. But, the vibration was still there and just as bad and as I clearly state in this video, I assumed that it might have been caused to the shaft being extended an inch too long. As in, I still wasn't blaming Adam's for anything other than charging me more than double what it would have cost to have shafts made locally and why the first thing I did to address my vibes was get my front shaft re-tubed. It was only until AFTER I removed the front shaft and went for a test drive with just the rear shaft that I realized I still had the same vibes as I had before and decided I just wanted them gone.


Did your local driveline shop confirm that the Adamís shafts were not balanced properly? But if thatís true then how were they working well before the new lift? Are shafts balanced per lift height?

Adam's made my shafts based on the measurements they require and on the lift that I have installed right now. My local driveline shop took my Adam's rear shaft and made it so that it no longer vibrates. Everything on it is exactly the same except for the fact that it now has balancing weights on it. Up front, there was still plenty of splines to work with and a re-tube shouldn't have been necessary but I took it upon myself to have it made an inch longer and this as opposed to assuming the lack of balancing weights was the cause of my vibration.


Why didnít you give Adamís a call (Maybe you did) and tell them your problem and give them a chance to make a wrong a right? If you did call them, did they not want to help you fix the problem?

What you see in the video pretty much how things played out in real time. As in, I wasn't sure what the problem was or that balancing was in fact the issue until AFTER we got it fixed. What I knew was that I needed to get my front shaft re-tubed and doing that locally was cheap to do. The rear shaft is what really stung but I wasn't about to ship a very heavy shaft that measures over 48" to them, lose it for days on end and only to hope they'd make things right. Hell, I can assure you that I paid less to have it re-balanced locally than it would have cost me to ship it to them and again.


I doubt if you had an issue with your new Dynatrac axle you would have gone to your local axle shop and have them fix it and then say Dynatrac screwed up. Youíd let Dynatrac or any of the other brands stuck to the side of your Jeep make the wrong a right. Which as respected brands, they should, especially when you support their products.

LOL!! Here we go.... :rolleyes2:

First off, I've NEVER had a problem with ANY of the 10 Dynatrac axles I've run over the years. Second, a ProRock 44 costs about $5000 and I don't know of too many local shops that specialize in making brand new custom axles or at least, on this level. Second, it only cost me $94 to have a $750 driveshaft re-balanced locally and within an hour. Call me crazy but I think I can just take care of that one myself.

As far as the other brands stuck to the side of my Jeep goes, I guess you mean like Tuffy and how I showed they didn't give me all the hardware I needed in my installation video of their security deck. Or maybe LoD and how I point out how my LED fog lights wouldn't install into their front bumper. Yeah, I would never be truthful about that kind of stuff, you know - because I have stickers of them on the side of my Jeep :rolleyes2:


I suppose now IĎll get lots of forum backlash coming to your defense! Ha! Seriously, Iím just trying to understand. I trust your judgement and professionalism. I run some of the brands you support, because I see them work on your Jeep, therefore, Iím less skeptical, so I trust that theyíll work for my applications.

Your skepticism is a result of you not understanding things. Of course, this is because you already have it in your mind what you've chosen to believe, rather than spending more of your time paying closer attention to details that are provided.

WJCO
03-22-2019, 03:22 PM
Either way, the shafts were fine when installed and then all of a sudden they're not. So why? And why didn't Adam's fix the problem?

They weren't always fine. 8:23 in the video. The vibrations were always there.

wayoflife
03-22-2019, 03:27 PM
Iíve had a bad rear driveline vibration before...it appeared that I knocked off a weight on the trail (Rubicon) and had to drive back to Seattle while trying to find the perfect speed that minimized the vibration...it sucked.

Thank you for the informative video...it had a good vibe...

Exactly why I always recommend that people find a local shop to work with. If you play with your Jeep as hard as you think you do, you'll need one if only to fix weights that you will knock off on the trail. :yup:


Good informative video, too me it kinda looks like it's easier to change a shaft on a jl compared to a jk, like easier access. But maybe not

Well, for sure the factory flange nuts are a hell of a lot easier to work with. Access to everything else is better too. :yup:


Yup I watched. Just wondering why Adam's didn't fix the problem.

Because I didn't know they were the cause of the problem until I found the cause. Besides, getting the shaft from them once was enough for me. :rolleyes2:


He changed pinion angle and caster a bunch so im pretty sure that means he was trying to dial in with his lift height. Plus, while I may be wrong, the 3.5 Rancho is the only lift he's ran with aftermarket driveshafts on Jet Li. On top of all that, knowing Eddie, I would assume be would go with what he knows and can get him going fast and correctly, rather than weeks off drawn out time for the manufacturer to hopefully get it right, it's one thing when you know and trust them to fix it..I also don't think he was so much griping about the cost to fix as much as the difference in original cost, just my thoughts though.

This ^^^^^

I got the driveshafts BECAUSE of the lift I installed. I've been working addressing the vibes since last October and trying everything except getting a re-balance. You know, because they were new shafts and it couldn't be the cause of them. And really, why would I ship a heavy shaft that measures over 48" to a shop that already gave me the shaft once and just to wait around for days on end to see if they could help me out. No, at this point and time, I figured another $94 and an hour out of my day would be fine especially knowing they would get it right.

notnalc68
03-22-2019, 03:28 PM
Great video. Glad you got it sorted. I canít figure why the guy thinks you were overtly bashing the drive shaft manufacturer, because I didnít see you do any of that.


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wayoflife
03-22-2019, 03:29 PM
Also from the sounds of it, it appears that they didn't even know the driveshafts WERE the problem until they removed them, rebalanced them, and reinstalled them. It's not like you can visually look at it and say 'it's out of balance.'

This ^^^^ Hence, why I'd been working to address them for as long as I had.


Either way, the shafts were fine when installed and then all of a sudden they're not. So why? And why didn't Adam's fix the problem?


They weren't always fine. 8:23 in the video. The vibrations were always there.

Once again, this ^^^^^ Clearly, someone here is paying attention.

wayoflife
03-22-2019, 03:30 PM
Great video. Glad you got it sorted. I canít figure why the guy thinks you were overtly bashing the drive shaft manufacturer, because I didnít see you do any of that.

Glad you enjoyed the video. As far as bashing goes, I don't even think I mentioned them once by name in this video. I really thought I was just sharing exactly how things played out.

wayoflife
03-22-2019, 03:33 PM
And since we're at it, here's a copy of my last invoice for the brand new 1350 driveshaft that I bought for Moby from my local shop. As you can see here, it just cost $369.90.

323424

And, here's what Adam's charged me for two 1350 shafts.

323425

Obviously, you'd have to divide that by two but that still gets you $719.95 each.

Crazy to think I would get grief for trying to save people some money or that I should somehow help protect a vendor that I BOUGHT parts from. :rolleyes2:

fiend
03-22-2019, 04:45 PM
Nice video. Seems like Adams sent yours out without balancing. Doesnít inspire confidence in their QC.

Unfortunately now when I drive my JK Iím going to be either feeling or imagining driveline vibrations. [emoji53]


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OverlanderJK
03-22-2019, 05:10 PM
Yup I watched. Just wondering why Adam's didn't fix the problem. Sorry to offend that SoCal libtard and yourself. I don't think calling people F-ing idiots is helpful. Just trying to understand.

Adams didnít fix the problem cause he didnít ask jackass. Can you understand fuck off?


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Fionayeti
03-22-2019, 05:54 PM
So, let me start off by saying, I don't have a clue as to who you are but for a guy who says he really enjoys our videos, I'm kinda surprised that you missed so many details that should have made things crystal clear.



In the case of your local driveline shop, I guess it sucks to be you. Of course, there's a reason why I never mentioned Adam's in this video and it's because I wasn't trying to throw them under the bus. Not like I wouldn't have a right to being that I am a PAYING CUSTOMER who paid more than double what it would have cost me to have a shaft made locally but, I digress.



Apparently, you haven't been following very carefully. If you had, you would have known that we installed our Adam's driveshafts AFTER installing our tall Rancho Lift and SPECIFICALLY because the factory driveshaft is too wide in diameter and was hitting our gas tank skid plate. The new shafts were to help mitigate this and we ultimately ended up installing a track bar relocation bracket as well to help things out even more. As I stated in this video, we had a vibration from day one but made the assumption that it might have been due to me having done something wrong. I went on to explain how I tried making adjustment after adjustment but could never get it right or at least, not until getting the rear shaft re-balanced. Also, since you seemed to have missed it in all our videos including this one, the front shaft will NOT spin unless you're in 4WD and this is because of the FAD. After installing our ProRock 44, we really started to hear and feel bad vibrations even after setting the pinion in line with the shaft. Of course, this is only something we could do being that the ProRock has so much built in caster. But, the vibration was still there and just as bad and as I clearly state in this video, I assumed that it might have been caused to the shaft being extended an inch too long. As in, I still wasn't blaming Adam's for anything other than charging me more than double what it would have cost to have shafts made locally and why the first thing I did to address my vibes was get my front shaft re-tubed. It was only until AFTER I removed the front shaft and went for a test drive with just the rear shaft that I realized I still had the same vibes as I had before and decided I just wanted them gone.



Adam's made my shafts based on the measurements they require and on the lift that I have installed right now. My local driveline shop took my Adam's rear shaft and made it so that it no longer vibrates. Everything on it is exactly the same except for the fact that it now has balancing weights on it. Up front, there was still plenty of splines to work with and a re-tube shouldn't have been necessary but I took it upon myself to have it made an inch longer and this as opposed to assuming the lack of balancing weights was the cause of my vibration.



What you see in the video pretty much how things played out in real time. As in, I wasn't sure what the problem was or that balancing was in fact the issue until AFTER we got it fixed. What I knew was that I needed to get my front shaft re-tubed and doing that locally was cheap to do. The rear shaft is what really stung but I wasn't about to ship a very heavy shaft that measures over 48" to them, lose it for days on end and only to hope they'd make things right. Hell, I can assure you that I paid less to have it re-balanced locally than it would have cost me to ship it to them and again.



LOL!! Here we go.... :rolleyes2:

First off, I've NEVER had a problem with ANY of the 10 Dynatrac axles I've run over the years. Second, a ProRock 44 costs about $5000 and I don't know of too many local shops that specialize in making brand new custom axles or at least, on this level. Second, it only cost me $94 to have a $750 driveshaft re-balanced locally and within an hour. Call me crazy but I think I can just take care of that one myself.

As far as the other brands stuck to the side of my Jeep goes, I guess you mean like Tuffy and how I showed they didn't give me all the hardware I needed in my installation video of their security deck. Or maybe LoD and how I point out how my LED fog lights wouldn't install into their front bumper. Yeah, I would never be truthful about that kind of stuff, you know - because I have stickers of them on the side of my Jeep :rolleyes2:



Your skepticism is a result of you not understanding things. Of course, this is because you already have it in your mind what you've chosen to believe, rather than spending more of your time paying closer attention to details that are provided.

I am a big fan! Just wanted to understand more about your driveshaft situation. I'd be pissed too if I paid full price and the shafts didn't perform! Real pissed! I get it! You didn't mention Adam's in the vibe video but in your install video you named them, so who else could it have been? I have no bias or preconceived notions when I wrote my questions in response - or how would I learn? What point would that make? Reread my post and you'd see my questions and points are sincere. I'm not that kind of person to bash and swear and put you down...what does that achieve? If I missed things you covered in your video or got timelines wrong then I take responsibility. No biggie.

This forum I thought is where Jeepers share knowledge, ask questions (sometimes stupid)! But no one deserves to be sworn at and made to be feel stupid or have eyes rolled at or told "Sucks to be you". What kind of forum is that? I wasn't even bashing the brands who align with you. I run Dynatracs - love them. They're Heavy, but I love them!

In the end, I want you to share what doesn't work and what does! That's why I come here to learn because you tell the truth. I suppose you get lots of people challenging you and bashing you so I get your mindset and skepticism on people's intentions, but that's not me. Okay, enough already. And I thought mountain patrol in Afghanistan was hard.

You host the best Jeep forum around. Thanks for listening.

Fionayeti
03-22-2019, 05:58 PM
Adams didnít fix the problem cause he didnít ask jackass. Can you understand fuck off?


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Hey Eddie, one of your bitches from the basement got unchained!

wayoflife
03-22-2019, 06:20 PM
I am a big fan! Just wanted to understand more about your driveshaft situation. I'd be pissed too if I paid full price and the shafts didn't perform! Real pissed!

It's funny because I don't think I ever once said I was "pissed" about anything. Sure, I expressed disappointment but more in myself than anything. I knew better.


I get it! You didn't mention Adam's in the vibe video but in your install video you named them, so who else could it have been?

Fact of the matter is, it really shouldn't matter who it was. It could have been Tom Woods for all I care. My point was to keep things positive, to promote the idea of using a local shop and for the reasons I stated.


I have no bias or preconceived notions when I wrote my questions in response - or how would I learn? What point would that make? Reread my post and you'd see my questions and points are sincere. I'm not that kind of person to bash and swear and put you down...what does that achieve? If I missed things you covered in your video or got timelines wrong then I take responsibility. No biggie.

If you say so.


This forum I thought is where Jeepers share knowledge, ask questions (sometimes stupid)! But no one deserves to be sworn at and made to be feel stupid or have eyes rolled at or told "Sucks to be you". What kind of forum is that? I wasn't even bashing the brands who align with you. I run Dynatracs - love them. They're Heavy, but I love them!

The "sucks to be you" was an honest statement regarding the fact that you said you have no good local driveline shop you can work with. If I were in your shoes, it would suck just as much for me. As far as "bashing" brands go, I couldn't care less if you did - it'd be YOUR OPINION and YOUR RIGHT to do so.


In the end, I want you to share what doesn't work and what does! That's why I come here to learn because you tell the truth. I suppose you get lots of people challenging you and bashing you so I get your mindset and skepticism on people's intentions, but that's not me. Okay, enough already. And I thought mountain patrol in Afghanistan was hard.

You host the best Jeep forum around. Thanks for listening.

Funny, I'm pretty sure all I did was share my recent experiences. I pointed out the problem I had and how I was ultimately able to fix it. You asked questions based on your understanding of things and I simply responded to it.

Sharkey
03-22-2019, 06:35 PM
And I thought mountain patrol in Afghanistan was hard.


You herd goats?

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wayoflife
03-22-2019, 06:40 PM
LOL!! Who knew that a simple video intended to HELP people by showing a problem I had and how I ultimately fixed it would get so many people's panties in a pinch. Here's one that got posted on YouTube from a Jeep Fanatic and to suggest that I was "slandering" Adam's with an "anti-propaganda" message. :rolleyes2:

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WJCO
03-22-2019, 07:07 PM
LOL!! Who knew that a simple video intended to HELP people by showing a problem I had and how I ultimately fixed it would get so many people's panties in a pinch. Here's one that got posted on YouTube from a Jeep Fanatic and to suggest that I was "slandering" Adam's with an "anti-propaganda" message. :rolleyes2:



Wow. Dear Lord. Full moon for sure. All of these fuckers coming out of the woodwork. Wow, a simple 'Glad you got your Jeep fixed' seems like a more proper reply. What's wrong with all these people?

longarmwj
03-22-2019, 07:09 PM
So let me start off saying Iím a big fan! I enjoy your videos, especially the travel ones where you explore trails and talk about the history of the areas you visit. And I always learn alot from you and the people on this forum. So please take what Iím about to say as curiosity, not criticism.

In case of your driveshaft issue, I have some questions. Iím not here to defend Adamís or any other maker, as it seems youíre not a big fan of branded shafts with cool stickers. I like to support my local vendors too and quite frankly, Iíve had more issues with local 4x4 driveline shops than the big brands.

If I follow your build sequences, it seems you had a short Evo lift, then a Rancho lift and then an even taller Rancho lift. Before the last lift, somewhere in there you put on the new Adamís shafts and it sounded like you were happy. Do you think with all the lift changes, pinion and caster changes, not to mention the new front axle, all those things combined had an effect on the Adamís shafts performance? It sounds like (obviously) the Adamís shafts you bought werenít sized properly for the new lift and axle changes. Is it then Adamís fault the shafts were over-extended and not performing well because of the change in lifts, axle, pinion and caster? Did your local driveline shop confirm that the Adamís shafts were not balanced properly? But if thatís true then how were they working well before the new lift? Are shafts balanced per lift height?

Why didnít you give Adamís a call (Maybe you did) and tell them your problem and give them a chance to make a wrong a right? If you did call them, did they not want to help you fix the problem? I doubt if you had an issue with your new Dynatrac axle you would have gone to your local axle shop and have them fix it and then say Dynatrac screwed up. Youíd let Dynatrac or any of the other brands stuck to the side of your Jeep make the wrong a right. Which as respected brands, they should, especially when you support their products.

I suppose now IĎll get lots of forum backlash coming to your defense! Ha! Seriously, Iím just trying to understand. I trust your judgement and professionalism. I run some of the brands you support, because I see them work on your Jeep, therefore, Iím less skeptical, so I trust that theyíll work for my applications.

Keep up the great work!

Your future driveline vibrations can be remedied by having him pull out and apply more KY. Thanks for stopping by.


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wayoflife
03-22-2019, 07:36 PM
Wow. Dear Lord. Full moon for sure. All of these fuckers coming out of the woodwork. Wow, a simple 'Glad you got your Jeep fixed' seems like a more proper reply. What's wrong with all these people?

LOL!! Kinda what I was thinking. Maybe it's just me but I really thought that an honest presentation like this would be appreciated. Instead, I'm accused of "slander" and "anti-propaganda". Hell, maybe I should just start asking for free shit and pimping it instead. :rolleyes2:


Your future driveline vibrations can be remedied by having him pull out and apply more KY. Thanks for stopping by.

:shock: :cheesy:

Brute
03-22-2019, 07:44 PM
Man, this place is full of libtards & goat herders...what happened to the good old hipster days?...

Fionayeti
03-22-2019, 07:45 PM
You herd goats?

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You and that Overlander guy, real tough, swearing and cracking jokes. Yup, real tough guys. I knew guys like you in Afghanistan. A little heat starts - the threat lays a burst to test the strength and the guys like you, always the tough guys, were the first to hit the ground and hide behind anything they could. Pathetic.

WJCO
03-22-2019, 08:02 PM
You and that Overlander guy, real tough, swearing and cracking jokes. Yup, real tough guys. I knew guys like you in Afghanistan. A little heat starts - the threat lays a burst to test the strength and the guys like you, always the tough guys, were the first to hit the ground and hide behind anything they could. Pathetic.

Not everyone can be a badass like you. But hey, at least some of us can make it through a simple Jeep video and be happy the guy got his Jeep fixed rather than bringing up all kinds of nonsense. Sounds like whatever you were drinking in Afghanistan really fucked with your ability to reason and interpret a simple Jeep video.

notnalc68
03-22-2019, 08:05 PM
How did we go from a Jeeping video, to combat?


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-AINOKEA-
03-22-2019, 08:17 PM
How did we go from a Jeeping video, to combat?


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No kidding. Some just canít leave it behind I guess.


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Brute
03-22-2019, 08:26 PM
You and that Overlander guy, real tough, swearing and cracking jokes. Yup, real tough guys. I knew guys like you in Afghanistan. A little heat starts - the threat lays a burst to test the strength and the guys like you, always the tough guys, were the first to hit the ground and hide behind anything they could. Pathetic.

Ok...it just got weird. Youíre not alone in your dark garage right now, sharpening your KBar....

RESURECTIONJK
03-22-2019, 08:56 PM
Probably still has a camel spider stuck in his pussy and decided to give us some entertainment for the day.

Sharkey
03-22-2019, 09:27 PM
https://youtu.be/bPXVGQnJm0w

Brute
03-22-2019, 09:32 PM
https://youtu.be/bPXVGQnJm0w

ďI love the smell of Napa in the morningĒ...or was that OíReillyís....

wayoflife
03-22-2019, 09:48 PM
:cheesy: Is this the same guy? Offroad Assisin? :crazyeyes:

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RESURECTIONJK
03-22-2019, 09:57 PM
Ah man. Regardless they seem to multiply as fast as an STD. Itís like internet herpes

TrainWreck618
03-22-2019, 10:18 PM
Glad you got your shafts figured out. Really cool your local shop is fast and good[emoji106]


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fiend
03-22-2019, 11:02 PM
:cheesy: Is this the same guy? Offroad Assisin? :crazyeyes:

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I donít really understand the sensitivity and defensiveness a number of people exhibit for Adams. Itís just a driveshaft vendor. One person describes their bad experience with them and several people get all bunched up over it. Good grief.


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wayoflife
03-22-2019, 11:12 PM
Glad you got your shafts figured out. Really cool your local shop is fast and good[emoji106]

Thank you. After seeing some of the comments come in, I guess I'm lucky to have a good local shop. Back when I was still in SoCal, there were 2 I would use any always had good results.


I donít really understand the sensitivity and defensiveness a number of people exhibit for Adams. Itís just a driveshaft vendor. One person describes their bad experience with them and several people get all bunched up over it. Good grief.

LOL!! Kinda crazy isn't it? You would think I just trashed talked their mom or something. :crazyeyes:

notnalc68
03-22-2019, 11:40 PM
I still havenít heard you talk down Adams. You just shared an experience. In all likelihood, most of the shafts they build are great. It isnít unheard of for a person to get a bad product, from a good company. Most likely, they would have made it right, but you did what was best for your situation. I donít get why all these folks are getting their feelings hurt.


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wayoflife
03-23-2019, 01:22 AM
I still havenít heard you talk down Adams. You just shared an experience. In all likelihood, most of the shafts they build are great. It isnít unheard of for a person to get a bad product, from a good company. Most likely, they would have made it right, but you did what was best for your situation. I donít get why all these folks are getting their feelings hurt.

Thank you for that. If I could guess, a lot of these guys wouldn't even have a clue as to what a well balanced shaft would feel like. They all just assume they have the shit because of what they paid for. Me, I've been doing this long enough and spend enough time on the road to want to make it right. If I can be of help to others, my job is done.

-AINOKEA-
03-23-2019, 01:29 AM
Thank you for that. If I could guess, a lot of these guys wouldn't even have a clue as to what a well balanced shaft would feel like. They all just assume they have the shit because of what they paid for. Me, I've been doing this long enough and spend enough time on the road to want to make it right. If I can be of help to others, my job is done.

I have to say I assumed mine should be good because of reviews Iíve heard and such. I also put my driveshaft on before I regeared and didnít feel any vibes until afterwards. Caster is good. Really hope the guy who did my gears didnít mess something up. This video and thread resparked my determination to figure it out. Always learning. 🤙🏽


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JBF
03-23-2019, 03:38 AM
Great video.

I'm on my third adams' shaft in less than a year and the only reason why I kept giving them chances was becuase they're local to me. Needless to say, their QC has gone down and all they care about is pumping product out of the door. I'm going to another local shop to me and they're building me a set of 1350s for less than I paid for two 1310s from adams.

It's really a shame because they used to be the standard...

benatc1
03-23-2019, 03:41 AM
This thread really took a left turn, so much butthurt out there

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OverlanderJK
03-23-2019, 03:43 AM
You and that Overlander guy, real tough, swearing and cracking jokes. Yup, real tough guys. I knew guys like you in Afghanistan. A little heat starts - the threat lays a burst to test the strength and the guys like you, always the tough guys, were the first to hit the ground and hide behind anything they could. Pathetic.

You were a cook in the army werenít you? Couldnít make it past high school and went for the only thing that would take you. I get, you live a shitty life and tried to hide behind the ďmilitaryĒ thing. Funny how everyone I know who actually has seen a bullet pass by them never talks about it. In fact there are many here.

Anyway, in case it was missed, fuck off.


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drrags
03-24-2019, 05:04 AM
I went through the exact same scenario with my famous, name-brand, mail order drive shafts. And like you, Axle Driveline and Gear fixed 'em in one day turnaround. I'm happy that my oscillations disappeared, and yet annoyed that I was $200 deeper into those shafts. I learned my lesson and will have them build my next driveshafts.

wayoflife
03-27-2019, 01:00 AM
LOL - so, there's some self-proclaimed badass who's apparently a fanboy of the manufacturer of my original driveshafts and of course, felt the need to defend their honor. His name is Robert Moore and if he's someone special, you'll have to forgive me for not knowing who he is. Not sure why an Ultra 4 racer would be watching our lame ass videos but of course, I don't think he really did.

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cozdude
03-27-2019, 11:07 AM
Great video.

I'm on my third adams' shaft in less than a year and the only reason why I kept giving them chances was becuase they're local to me. Needless to say, their QC has gone down and all they care about is pumping product out of the door. I'm going to another local shop to me and they're building me a set of 1350s for less than I paid for two 1310s from adams.

It's really a shame because they used to be the standard...

Real world experience that you canít make up^^^

wayoflife
03-27-2019, 02:31 PM
Real world experience that you canít make up^^^

Clearly, he's not as old as that Robert Moore guy and has to be slamming them and based on false assumptions :crazyeyes:

olb123
03-27-2019, 04:07 PM
I have the same oscillating vibration on my JLU and my axle and drive shaft are stock. What could be causing that?
Thanks

wayoflife
03-27-2019, 04:18 PM
I have the same oscillating vibration on my JLU and my axle and drive shaft are stock. What could be causing that?
Thanks

Just like wheels, a driveshaft spins and needs to be balanced in order to run smooth. Could be you just have a shaft that's out of balance. I would talk to your dealership about it.

JBF
03-29-2019, 01:38 AM
Clearly, he's not as old as that Robert Moore guy and has to be slamming them and based on false assumptions :crazyeyes:

The name sounds familiar. I'm pretty sure he's on a couple of the local Vegas FB groups and likes to belittle anyone who has problems with said company.

EDIT: nope. different guy.

Jeepfan30
03-29-2019, 01:04 PM
Thank you for that. If I could guess, a lot of these guys wouldn't even have a clue as to what a well balanced shaft would feel like. They all just assume they have the shit because of what they paid for. Me, I've been doing this long enough and spend enough time on the road to want to make it right. If I can be of help to others, my job is done.

I was one to assume my mail order driveshaft would be perfect since it was from a name brand company. Brought my Coast rear shaft in yesterday for balance and they said there was .30 runout at the transfer case end weld, so they had to cut and re-weld. Bringing in my front Adams today, hopefully that one just needs balance. Hoping this fixes my vibes that Iíve been chasing for couple years. Always though it was something else since I had new name brand driveshafts!

wayoflife
03-29-2019, 02:39 PM
The name sounds familiar. I'm pretty sure he's on a couple of the local Vegas FB groups and likes to belittle anyone who has problems with said company.

EDIT: nope. different guy.

LOL - well, it wouldn't surprise me if it was someone like that out there :crazyeyes:


I was one to assume my mail order driveshaft would be perfect since it was from a name brand company. Brought my Coast rear shaft in yesterday for balance and they said there was .30 runout at the transfer case end weld, so they had to cut and re-weld. Bringing in my front Adams today, hopefully that one just needs balance. Hoping this fixes my vibes that Iíve been chasing for couple years. Always though it was something else since I had new name brand driveshafts!

Yeah, that's the sucky thing. I get guys telling me all the time how brand X or brand Y is so awesome and to be fair, I've run a few of them in the past. However, I've always found I got the best results from using a local shop.

AlStew
04-05-2019, 06:43 PM
I am so happy you posted this video. I have been having bad vibes for 3 years ever since I purchased from that shop in Henderson. I am on my third front drive shaft as well and they have sent me multiple videos, emails, stating everything is fine telling me in the videos on the lathe that it's perfect. Customer service has been great and are quick to "warranty" my shaft, but I remember reading a comment on here a long time ago "the best customer service is the one you never have to use." I always believed them and thought the vibration was something else and I have done EVERYTHING in this 3 year span. Rebuilt my dynatrac ball joints, torque check, multiple tire balances, trying friends wheels and tires, had the rear diff rebuilt (didn't know my breather tube extension pulled apart and sucked in a bunch of water), two alignments from two different shops, new unit bearings, new axle shafts front and rear with new bearings/ujoints, front uppers to really dial in the caster, paid a "driveline specialty" offroad shop for a diagnosis and they tried to sell me some chinese adjustable rear upper arms, went back to evo to check the rear diff again, stuck a gopro to the bottom of the jeep, pulled the skid plates off, checked motor mounts, trans mounts, was considering a new t-case until I watched this video. Went to the local drive line shop in mission viejo CA and both my "perfect" drive lines needed to be straightened, and the rear needed another weight. They offered to help dial in the caster as well. And the best part was I went to pick up the drive lines and the labor was completely free!!! Also, I asked how much new drivelines were and like you stated eddie, I got a cheaper quote. Thank you again...

wayoflife
04-05-2019, 07:48 PM
I am so happy you posted this video. I have been having bad vibes for 3 years ever since I purchased from that shop in Henderson. I am on my third front drive shaft as well and they have sent me multiple videos, emails, stating everything is fine telling me in the videos on the lathe that it's perfect. Customer service has been great and are quick to "warranty" my shaft, but I remember reading a comment on here a long time ago "the best customer service is the one you never have to use." I always believed them and thought the vibration was something else and I have done EVERYTHING in this 3 year span. Rebuilt my dynatrac ball joints, torque check, multiple tire balances, trying friends wheels and tires, had the rear diff rebuilt (didn't know my breather tube extension pulled apart and sucked in a bunch of water), two alignments from two different shops, new unit bearings, new axle shafts front and rear with new bearings/ujoints, front uppers to really dial in the caster, paid a "driveline specialty" offroad shop for a diagnosis and they tried to sell me some chinese adjustable rear upper arms, went back to evo to check the rear diff again, stuck a gopro to the bottom of the jeep, pulled the skid plates off, checked motor mounts, trans mounts, was considering a new t-case until I watched this video. Went to the local drive line shop in mission viejo CA and both my "perfect" drive lines needed to be straightened, and the rear needed another weight. They offered to help dial in the caster as well. And the best part was I went to pick up the drive lines and the labor was completely free!!! Also, I asked how much new drivelines were and like you stated eddie, I got a cheaper quote. Thank you again...

Well that really sucks that you've been dealing with this problem for as long as you had. I am however glad to know that our video was able to help point you in the right direction and finally get it fixed.

JL_John
04-06-2019, 03:47 AM
Perfect timing on this video as I had the same exact problem with my Adams 1350 front shaft as soon as I eliminated the FAD. Checked the shaft and it has zero balance weights on it. Disappointed that after spending almost $700 on a driveshaft I need to pull it off and have it balanced.

wayoflife
04-06-2019, 02:44 PM
Perfect timing on this video as I had the same exact problem with my Adams 1350 front shaft as soon as I eliminated the FAD. Checked the shaft and it has zero balance weights on it. Disappointed that after spending almost $700 on a driveshaft I need to pull it off and have it balanced.

Wow, you paid less than $700? Now I feel like I got taken for a ride. :rolleyes2:

Totally sucks and probably the last time I buy a brand name shaft.

Lucian
04-08-2019, 02:26 AM
Just got a 1350 front and it had balancing weights on it. So far, no vibration.

TrailHunter
06-06-2019, 08:09 PM
And since we're at it, here's a copy of my last invoice for the brand new 1350 driveshaft that I bought for Moby from my local shop. As you can see here, it just cost $369.90.

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And, here's what Adam's charged me for two 1350 shafts.

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Obviously, you'd have to divide that by two but that still gets you $719.95 each.

Crazy to think I would get grief for trying to save people some money or that I should somehow help protect a vendor that I BOUGHT parts from. :rolleyes2:


So I went to my local driveshaft shop today to get prices on new front & rear 1350's.... I like the guy, he has always done great work for me in the past (rebuilding & balancing) ..... but I was really hoping to see the prices you show here.... He was very knowledgeable & helpful... and quoted me $675 out the door for the front and about the same for the rear... including all the flanges. I'd like to give him my business being he is local and will definitely be the guy servicing them in the future... Or do you think I should be going with big name brands like JE Real, Adams or Woods, since the prices are similar.....?

BaddestCross
06-06-2019, 08:19 PM
So I went to my local driveshaft shop today to get prices on new front & rear 1350's.... I like the guy, he has always done great work for me in the past (rebuilding & balancing) ..... but I was really hoping to see the prices you show here.... He was very knowledgeable & helpful... and quoted me $675 out the door for the front and about the same for the rear... including all the flanges. I'd like to give him my business being he is local and will definitely be the guy servicing them in the future... Or do you think I should be going with big name brands like JE Real, Adams or Woods, since the prices are similar.....?If you've got a local guy you can trust, that's always a better choice. Just make sure they're using quality parts.



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rubiDave
06-06-2019, 09:10 PM
If you've got a local guy you can trust, that's always a better choice. Just make sure they're using quality parts.



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TrailHunter
06-06-2019, 11:18 PM
If you've got a local guy you can trust, that's always a better choice. Just make sure they're using quality parts.



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My thoughts too, but I don't know any local guys, and didn't have any references. Let me know who the local guy you trust is. That said I got F&R Adam's 1350s for about $1150 and no CA sales tax.

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Thanks Guys... yeah, that's what I'm thinking.... "Quality Parts" like Spicer? I'll get you the Name Dave...

rubiDave
06-07-2019, 12:46 AM
Thanks Guys... yeah, that's what I'm thinking.... "Quality Parts" like Spicer? I'll get you the Name Dave...Just checked my purchase history. I paid 1250 not 1150.

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BaddestCross
06-07-2019, 12:49 AM
Thanks Guys... yeah, that's what I'm thinking.... "Quality Parts" like Spicer? I'll get you the Name Dave...Yep. Full circle clips, etc. [emoji106]



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OverlanderJK
07-25-2019, 03:14 AM
I had Drive Line and Gear rebuild my old spare rear shaft today. New u joints, shortened it 7Ē, replace the slip since the splines were twisted and balanced and a new paint job. More than half the price of a new shaft and they did it in about 5 hours with no appointment. I probably wonít ever go anywhere else for driveline work again.

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Now I have a spare front shaft.

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rmilobrown
07-25-2019, 04:09 AM
Is Drive Line and Gear local to you or did you ship it?

I had Drive Line and Gear rebuild my old spare rear shaft today. New u joints, shortened it 7Ē, replace the slip since the splines were twisted and balanced and a new paint job. More than half the price of a new shaft and they did it in about 5 hours with no appointment. I probably wonít ever go anywhere else for driveline work again.

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Now I have a spare front shaft.

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HAPPYTRAILS

OverlanderJK
07-25-2019, 04:10 AM
Is Drive Line and Gear local to you or did you ship it?


HAPPYTRAILS

They are in Reno. I was out there and brought it by.


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rmilobrown
07-25-2019, 04:19 AM
Thanks, I've been debating on whether to rebuild mine and just have someone balance it, or just send it out.

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OverlanderJK
07-25-2019, 04:19 AM
Thanks, I've been debating on whether to rebuild mine and just have someone balance it, or just send it out.

HAPPYTRAILS

Driveline shops can usually tell you what you need.


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rmilobrown
07-25-2019, 04:40 AM
True! Anybody recommend a good shop in northern AZ? Adam's is about three hours from me. Got to be something closer.

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jdofmemi
07-26-2019, 03:17 AM
I just had mine in to get repaired.

I ended up needing a new tube. Seems one of my bad lines ended up bending it slightly, causing the vibration I felt.

$200 to retube and balance. Seemed fair to me.