A lift that rides better than stock...truth or fiction??

[wayoflife]

DTD is well worth the money.....If you have the money. <~~~~~~~Poor guy here!

In all fairness, not if you have no intensions of using it for what it's made for. You can still get a comfortable soft ride that handles well with something like the Enforcer kit. Of course, I am speaking from the stand point of "worth the money". If you like a firm ride and don't mind paying a premium for relocation brackets, something like the AEV kit will handle great too. There are other kits I could recommend as well but in my opinion, they wouldn't be worth it. This is of course based on my limited experience.

 

[DWiggles]

What exactly are you wanting out of a lift? What will YOU be doing? What size tires? I'm not going back and reading.

I want to build my jeep with 37s on the factory axles until they fail (matter of when, not if), and will likely upgrade the axles and make the jump to 40s at that time. I have absolutely no need to be doing 60mph in knee high whoops, so again, I do not feel like I would utilize the DTD system, and thus do not wish to waste my money on an "Over the top" setup, while I am in no way saying the DTD is a waste of money. My point is that it will be more suspension then I would EVER need, and its not free. :yup:

I would like to keep as low a center of gravity as possible, with maximum articulation with clearance for 37-40" tires. that is really the goal. The jeep will be wheeled, and driven all over the place, and I currently daily it. We are planning on using it as our main vacation destination. so we will/do spend a LOT of time in the jeep.

Towing is not something of a concern at this point.

The jeep is manual, and will stay manual. I do not plan on a V8 Swap. I want to build a nice jeep, with excellent on/off road manner. not an "over the top" sponsored $100k+ rig. I plan on visiting premier off road parks across the nation over time, maybe 2-3 "destinations" per year, and then local wheeling for fun perhaps every other weekend or so. Local places here are pretty much a joke, so I usually make the drive out the rocks (7hr round trip) and considered "Local"

Again, I'm just trying to learn and understand the real life differences of the options that are out there. I am trying to avoid buying mistakes, which is why we are all here in the first place...:yup:


So again, can someone please explain the difference between the 12" coilover vs the 14" coilover? Both are advertised to provide the same articulation (14" vertical)? Why offer both??

What are the benefits and drawbacks of the EvoLever (WITHOUT triple bypass shocks) opposed to the bolton rear coilovers in the real world with things like weather? highways? Washing? servicing? 100k+ miles?

 

[wayoflife]

I want to build a nice jeep, with excellent on/off road manner. not an "over the top" sponsored $100k+ rig.

:cheesy: Just because you think some rigs are "over the top" doesn't mean they're "sponsored". Some of us actually work hard and save our money until we can afford to buy nice toys for ourselves :yup:

So again, can someone please explain the difference between the 12" coilover vs the 14" coilover?

Ummm, one comes with a coil over that is 12" long and the other comes with one that is 14" long? :idontknow:

Both are advertised to provide the same articulation (14" vertical)?

Who ever is advertising that, I'd like to see proof of it. I've seen plenty of kits like the one Rebel makes and is sold with 14" coil overs but only offer a TRUE 9" of vertical travel. Of course, the EVO Lever only uses 8" coil overs but due to its design, provides a TRUE 14" of vertical travel.

Why offer both??

Because there's always going to be a dumbass out there who will want to believe that more has to be better. Never mind that you have to lift your Jeep sky high to do it or that you'd have to run limiting straps to prevent enough droop to cause driveline bind. Of course, EVO only sells their front kit with 12" coil overs. Their new front towers negate the need for 14" coil overs.

What are the benefits and drawbacks of the EvoLever (WITHOUT triple bypass shocks) opposed to the bolton rear coilovers in the real world with things like weather? highways? Washing? servicing? 100k+ miles?

LOL @ weather, highways, washing!! You're joking, right?

With ANY coil over, you will want to have them rebuilt on a regular basis. We punish our coil overs and find that they need to be rebuilt about once every 30k or, about once a year.

 

[OverlanderJK]

One guy has the dtd and in his opinion for what he got out of the lift it is not worth the money.

3 of us run MC lifts, and most run full currie lifts. These people being shop owners as well.





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I was just reminded who you were. That guy doesn't happen to have DTD front and bolt ons rear does he? Maybe a two door jeep?

If that's the case you have never really seen a DTD work in person then.

 

[Irish JK]

What are the benefits and drawbacks of the EvoLever (WITHOUT triple bypass shocks) opposed to the bolton rear coilovers in the real world with things like weather? highways? Washing? servicing? 100k+ miles?

As someone here who has actually run the EVO Weld In / EVOLever without bypass shocks, I can tell you it will still dominate bolt on coilovers in the rocks. There is no comparison in the way the cantilevered system articulates.

Daily driving, I think they are probably about equals. Weather....wtf does that mean? Will it take a few extra minutes to wash and maintain the EvoLever....yeah. Anyways, to each his own. No right answer. Just some wrong ones.

 

[OverlanderJK]

As someone here who has actually run the EVO Weld In / EVOLever without bypass shocks, I can tell you it will still dominate bolt on coilovers in the rocks. There is no comparison in the way the cantilevered system articulates.

Daily driving, I think they are probably about equals. Weather....wtf does that mean? Will it take a few extra minutes to wash and maintain the EvoLever....yeah. Anyways, to each his own. No right answer. Just some wrong ones.

Do you clean the bypasses with wheel cleaner?

 

[Irish JK]

Do you clean the bypasses with wheel cleaner?

Yes, it's best to let it soak for a while though.

 

[wayoflife]

Do you clean the bypasses with wheel cleaner?

Ummm, ever since Greg told us about it, we do :blush:

 

[Irish JK]

Ummm, ever since Greg told us about it, we do :blush:

Just to be clear, Overlander was referring to wheel cleaner I recently used to help clean mine and even just letting soak for two mintues each severely stained the aluminum finish of the King shocks. So for anyone reading this, read the label of your preferred cleaner before using and make sure it is a very mild product. When in doubt stick to Simple Green.

 

[wayoflife]

Just to be clear, Overlander was referring to wheel cleaner I recently used to help clean mine and even just letting soak for two mintues each severely stained the aluminum finish of the King shocks. So for anyone reading this, read the label of your preferred cleaner before using and make sure it is a very mild product. When in doubt stick to Simple Green.

:cheesy: Okay, that's the first I've heard of that. We've used an aluminum wheel cleaner before and it worked great. Now you have me worried about using it again :shock:

 

[DWiggles]

:cheesy: Just because you think some rigs are "over the top" doesn't mean they're "sponsored". Some of us actually work hard and save our money until we can afford to buy nice toys for ourselves :yup:

But you didn't start there. :thumb:

Ummm, one comes with a coil over that is 12" long and the other comes with one that is 14" long? :idontknow:

Oh, so thats why they call it a 12" coilover and a 14" coilover. :asshat: :cheesy: I find it hard to believe this is the ONLY difference... unless its a "Good Ol' Boy" sales pitch, so Billy Bob can brag to Steve how he has 14" coilovers vs. Steves puny 12"

Who ever is advertising that, I'd like to see proof of it. I've seen plenty of kits like the one Rebel makes and is sold with 14" coil overs but only offer a TRUE 9" of vertical travel. Of course, the EVO Lever only uses 8" coil overs but due to its design, provides a TRUE 14" of vertical travel.

Because there's always going to be a dumbass out there who will want to believe that more has to be better. Never mind that you have to lift your Jeep sky high to do it or that you'd have to run limiting straps to prevent enough droop to cause driveline bind. Of course, EVO only sells their front kit with 12" coil overs. Their new front towers negate the need for 14" coil overs.

EVO use to offer them both, and thats where I got my 14" vertical travel figure from. I just checked there site, and it looks like they dont anymore. But in a few of your videos, you list moby on "14" evo coilovers", and trail bud on "12" coil overs". I'm curious to understand the performance differences.

LOL @ weather, highways, washing!! You're joking, right?

With ANY coil over, you will want to have them rebuilt on a regular basis. We punish our coil overs and find that they need to be rebuilt about once every 30k or, about once a year.

I'm not joking? why would this be a joke? while I understand ANY coilover/shock/mechanical component will need to be rebuilt at sometime or another, the dynamics in the EvoLever vs. the bolt on rear coils are not the same, so there ARE differences. be it performance? life cycle between rebuilds? Ground Clearance? Articulation? I dont know? grease the lever system every xxk miles? maintenance is not a "joke", im not sure why it would be? :idontknow:

I mean, come on! I don't own these parts, so naturally, I'm not experienced with them! Getting logical information on this topic is like trying to pull teeth. I'm not sure if I am asking the wrong questions, putting them in the wrong words, you guys arent understanding what I am writing, or you guys are just jerking me around for my low post count and new membership. :idontknow: But im here because I love my jeep, and I support what Eddie does.

 

[crippledpetey]

Ummm, ever since Greg told us about it, we do :blush:

I do as well. But I don't let it soak a ton on there not like the frame and axles. But that may be why mine don't come as clean :doh:

 

[wayoflife]

But you didn't start there. :thumb:

Nope, I sure didn't but sure wish I had. I've probably spent more money building my Jeep, re-building my Jeep, re-building it again and again and again and again than I would have had I been able to just do it right the first time. Unfortunately, over the last 8 years, I could only work with what was available as none of the great stuff that is available now was available then.

Oh, so thats why they call it a 12" coilover and a 14" coilover. :asshat: :cheesy: I find it hard to believe this is the ONLY difference... unless its a "Good Ol' Boy" sales pitch, so Billy Bob can brag to Steve how he has 14" coilovers vs. Steves puny 12"

So believe what you want. Makes no difference to me :crazyeyes:

EVO used to offer them both, and thats where I got my 14" vertical travel figure from. I just checked there site, and it looks like they dont anymore. But in a few of your videos, you list moby on "14" evo coilovers", and trail bud on "12" coil overs". I'm curious to understand the performance differences.

Isn't it cool how we've been able to document the progress of our Jeeps over the years for guys like you to benefit from? I mean, if you think about it, we've been using our Jeeps to test components out back when they first came out, found out what problems there were with them and then got to spend more of our money doing it again with better parts developed from the new knowledge we acquired.

Yes, the old coil overs we had were 14" but we could never use their full potential due to the fact that they would droop enough to cause our drive line to bind. In order to mitigate this, we ended up having to run limiting straps. The NEW EVO DTD towers are designed differently than the original ones and this allows for a lower stance and a greater amount of articulation with just 12" coil overs. Because of it's design, you will STILL get 14" of vertical travel AND without having to run limiting straps.

I'm not joking? why would this be a joke? while I understand ANY coilover/shock/mechanical component will need to be rebuilt at sometime or another, the dynamics in the EvoLever vs. the bolt on rear coils are not the same, so there ARE differences. be it performance? life cycle between rebuilds? Ground Clearance? Articulation? I dont know? grease the lever system every xxk miles? maintenance is not a "joke", im not sure why it would be? :idontknow:

Unlike ANY OTHER COIL OVER SYSTEM out there, the EVO lever will allow you to obtain a true 14" of vertical travel while keeping your coil overs completely out of harms way. ALL the other systems including the bolt-on kit they offer hangs down and can be damaged by rocks on the trail. I used to run the bolt-on kit on my dozer JK and have damaged them in this very way. This has NEVER happened with my EVO lever. Also, the bolt-on kit only offers 11.25" of vertical travel - NOT 14" like the EVO lever. Aside from that, they are BOTH coil overs and will need to be treated the same in terms of maintenance.

 

[wayoflife]

I do as well. But I don't let it soak a ton on there not like the frame and axles. But that may be why mine don't come as clean :doh:

To be clear, if a person were to use "tire" cleaner on their coil overs - this WILL cause staining. We used aluminum "wheel" cleaner and it seemed to work okay.... for us anyway... that one time... and now I'm having doubts about using it again :crazyeyes:

 

[OverlanderJK]

I can't tell if DWiggles is a troll, a woman, or just stupid.

 

[Irish JK]

To be clear, if a person were to use "tire" cleaner on their coil overs - this WILL cause staining. We used aluminum "wheel" cleaner and it seemed to work okay.... for us anyway... that one time... and now I'm having doubts about using it again :crazyeyes:

I took the "aluminum wheel cleaner" and threw it in the garbage. Never will use on anything again after speaking with the manufacturer. Not worth it.

 

[cozdude]

I can't tell if DWiggles is a troll, a woman, or just stupid.

My guess is just stupid cause he can't read

 

[wayoflife]

I took the "aluminum wheel cleaner" and threw it in the garbage. Never will use on anything again after speaking with the manufacturer. Not worth it.

Well, I'm glad you posted up as much. I may have to do the same

 

[ERAUGrad04]

To help with the thread drift, I have seen the same results with a couple of wheel cleaners. I can't remember the brands, but when used, but specific types of aluminum would stain.

 

[JAGS]

I can't tell if DWiggles is a troll, a woman, or just stupid.

Technically could be all three. :cheesy: