I know but I am a noob. 2020 JT oil weight.

Joey1313

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I know this has been internetted to death but what are y'all running. I know tolerances have changed through the years but..... Not looking to solve the mystery, just looking for honest opinions.

I will need to do my first soon. Has 45,000 miles. No idea what previous owner used.
 
Doesn't matter what brand was used before either- run what you like best. And run whatever it says in the manual. Internet engineers never built anything...
While true, today's owner manuals are heavily influenced by CAFE standards. Only the oil weight used in gov't testing to achieve the mpg rating can be recommended in the manual.

Note: I am not saying to go against the manual here, if that's what you think is best.

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The following may go against popular opinion, so:
**Flame Suit on**

Just saying that there's a wider spread of viscosities that can be safely used.

Example: we have a Jeep JL and a Toyota FJ.

FJ recommends 0w20 in the US, but everywhere else in the world can go up to 20w50, depending on expected minimum temperature. Toyota's manual even says that for heavy usage - towing, mountains, high speed etc, a thicker oil "may be a better choice"...but they can only mention 0w20 in the manual because of CAFE regulations.

In the Jeep 2.0T, manual says 5w30. But in this Stellantis engine in Europe, heavier oils are allowed.

For both, I run 0w40 winter and 10w40 summer with zero issues, and no loss of power or mpg.

I realize neither is the Pentastar 3.6; however for that engine I'd likely use at least a 5w30 - that was the original specification although there have been changes made to the design.

Some that "go against the manual" use the specified oil during warranty and switch later. Some switch when they get home from the dealer.

You certainly can't go wrong with the owner manual specification; but for myself, I choose to use a thicker oil - one that's specified or allowed for the same engine in other parts of the world.

I'm also speculating that with the new laws coming out relaxing mpg requirements and possibly doing away with the stop/start nonsense, that we may see heavier weight oil recommendations coming back to the owner manuals.
 
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I don't know how any of survived before the internet.
 
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Here's another post that I think is worth a read too and you can take it for what it's worth.
As a guy that works in the refined oil and lubrication industry, please take this with the utmost respect. And I am not trying to act like a know it all here.

DO NOT CHANGE THE VISCOSITY OF THE OIL YOU ARE PUTTING IN YOUR ENGINE.

That recommendation is set by the manufacturer for good reason and because it is the viscosity needed to lubricate your engine properly.

It is the proper lubrication for your engine for specific specs and operations:

gear clearances,
pressure targets,
hydraulic lifters and cam phases,
piston lubrication,
piston cooling jets,
fuel economy,

and much more when it comes to your engine.

Modern engines are engineered around very specific oil flow, pressure, and temperature characteristics. Deviating from the specified viscosity without a valid reason can negatively affect lubrication, oil pressure, component operation, and long-term engine durability.
 
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Here's another post that I think is worth a read too and you can take it for what it's worth.

Yup.

But what about overseas owner manuals for the same engine that specify heavier weight oils?

And CAFE vs engineer recommendations... you said you know some high level guys at corporate...what's their take?
(Not fighting...just seeking information & attempting intelligent discourse online LOL)

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Yup.

But what about overseas owner manuals for the same engine that specify heavier weight oils?

And CAFE vs engineer recommendations... you said you know some high level guys at corporate...what's their take?
(Not fighting...just seeking information & attempting intelligent discourse online LOL)

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What is gained by going against manual recommendations? Anything of significance? 50 extra horsepower? 100k more miles of life? 10 more mpg? No, and in the end who really cares that much about engine oil viscosities? Run what the manual says and call it good.

Now, if someone really wants to be helpful, mosey on over to the “They’re not drones” thread and explain that shit
 
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Yup.

But what about overseas owner manuals for the same engine that specify heavier weight oils?

And CAFE vs engineer recommendations... you said you know some high level guys at corporate...what's their take?
(Not fighting...just seeking information & attempting intelligent discourse online LOL)

🤷
What about the price of tea in china? Do you live overseas or have a vehicle from over there? If you think it’s better why not just run it then? If they use gear oil in their motors and you think it’s good, go for it.
 
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