Lift questions

NevadaZielmeister

Caught the Bug
You didn't get the impression that I was bashing the DTD did you? My point was that its pretty expensive to make a Jeep go fast in the desert (bout $45k ;) )

You? No, but that Sharkey character, he hurts my feelings all the time. I now need to go find my safe zone.
 

Ddays

Hooked
You? No, but that Sharkey character, he hurts my feelings all the time. I now need to go find my safe zone.

:clap2: 10-4. DTD's are the cats ass. I got to see Jeffj's rig up close this year and I was able to climb underneath to marvel at this setup up close. It's suspension porn. But being one of those so called East Coasters I'd be hard pressed to justify the DTD investment with how I am able to wheel consistently.

Now a LS conversion someday? hmmmm :hmm:
 

Freebyrd1972

New member
I'll throw in my :two cents:. Don't get so caught up in what everyone else has and what they are running. Hell, the vast majority (Eddie and Cindy excluded) of people I've seen with DTD suspensions and $40k+ builds very rarely do anything that would actually require that kind of build. Stated another way, you could spend $4k-$5k and go 99% of the places that the high dollar rigs go. Sure, maybe you won't get there quite as fast but if speed through the whoops is your thing, why did you buy a Jeep?

Your money, your vehicle, spend it / build it how you want. Just don't get suckered into thinking something is necessary for you to get out there and explore the places you see people post up about on this forum.

The Main thing I like about the coil over is that you can adjust the height of the lift, so when I'm in DD mode I could have that as low as possible for getting in and out. Then when Offroad I can add a few.

As for the whoops, Maybe 30 is too fast but I was planning on beefing up my Dana 44's so I can do them faster and maybe even get some air lol. But I just don't want to break shocks anymore because I'm trying to get up test hill and there a damn dip and it sends me flying.

I think I'm pretty much sold on the evo cheaper coilover.
 

Ddays

Hooked
The Main thing I like about the coil over is that you can adjust the height of the lift, so when I'm in DD mode I could have that as low as possible for getting in and out. Then when Offroad I can add a few.

As for the whoops, Maybe 30 is too fast but I was planning on beefing up my Dana 44's so I can do them faster and maybe even get some air lol. But I just don't want to break shocks anymore because I'm trying to get up test hill and there a damn dip and it sends me flying.

I think I'm pretty much sold on the evo cheaper coilover.

Jeep + air + D44 = Bent shit

:twocents:
 

NevadaZielmeister

Caught the Bug
:clap2: 10-4. DTD's are the cats ass. I got to see Jeffj's rig up close this year and I was able to climb underneath to marvel at this setup up close. It's suspension porn. But being one of those so called East Coasters I'd be hard pressed to justify the DTD investment with how I am able to wheel consistently.

And that is exactly it. I live in the same general areas as Eddie and we have thousands of miles of trails and roads to explore. It just seems to never end. I am about a 5 minute drive from my driveway to high desert where I cannot see another building. I could drive on dirt roads all day and never touch pavement. So I see each suspension system applicable to each environment.

The one thing I have noticed is how much faster I can travel on the trails/roads. I normally have to wait for other Jeeps. But if I want to get somewhere, love the suspension setup.
 

Ddays

Hooked
Look what I found http://bigcountrycustoms.com/product/jeep-jk-front-coilover-conversion-kit/

almost 1k under evo

hm, nothing for rear though...

$642?!? for a front coilover setup. Look, all I can say to that is that you get what you pay for. King coilovers are the price they are for a reason.

even if I beef up the d44? I'm not talking 10' jumps, just the ops took that hill a bit too fast type of jump.

Again, sounds to me like you like to go fast offroad. Thats totally cool, I get it. My point is that Jeeps are not made to jump. Occasional air, ok. Consistently? You need a setup for that and it isn't a $642 set of bolt on coilovers. There was a guy here that really build up his Jeep with ORI struts, one ton axles, etc. It was badass. But he was constantly breaking shit on it. Problem was he tried to make it something it couldn't be. He ended up trading it on a buggy so he could do what he wanted to do. My point is accept the limitations of what a Jeep does and build it to enhance those abilites. :twocents:
 

Ddays

Hooked
And that is exactly it. I live in the same general areas as Eddie and we have thousands of miles of trails and roads to explore. It just seems to never end. I am about a 5 minute drive from my driveway to high desert where I cannot see another building. I could drive on dirt roads all day and never touch pavement. So I see each suspension system applicable to each environment.

The one thing I have noticed is how much faster I can travel on the trails/roads. I normally have to wait for other Jeeps. But if I want to get somewhere, love the suspension setup.

That is so awesome. So envious of the lifestyle out west. Sad thing is I drive through almost as much wilderness here in PA but most of it is paved and 99.9% of it is off limits. There are an awful lot of forests that would be just phenomenal trail material if it were opened up. :grayno:
 

Freebyrd1972

New member
$642?!? for a front coilover setup. Look, all I can say to that is that you get what you pay for. King coilovers are the price they are for a reason.



Again, sounds to me like you like to go fast offroad. Thats totally cool, I get it. My point is that Jeeps are not made to jump. Occasional air, ok. Consistently? You need a setup for that and it isn't a $642 set of bolt on coilovers. There was a guy here that really build up his Jeep with ORI struts, one ton axles, etc. It was badass. But he was constantly breaking shit on it. Problem was he tried to make it something it couldn't be. He ended up trading it on a buggy so he could do what he wanted to do. My point is accept the limitations of what a Jeep does and build it to enhance those abilites. :twocents:

I'm mostly thinking dunes, but yeah I'm looking at the occasional mistake air I might get when trying to get up a hill or the whoops. Right now on whoops I have to crawl would like to be able to hit them a bit faster. I know I'll have limits with a really cheap coilover vs the evo and even with evo I'll still have limits.

Only issue with that cheap system it weld on and that is kinda permanent, I thought fox shocks where still a good shock.
 

TrailHunter

Hooked
If you are going to spend most of your time in the dunes... why not get a sand car... I had this buggy for like 6 years and it was the cheapest fun I’ve ever had... it went EVERYWHERE on a stock 1600 VW motor. Easy to work on, easy to fix... probably pick one up for 3k.

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jeffj

Caught the Bug
Most of these points are valid and come from experience. I’ll give my point of view from what I have went through and learned over the course of building two jeeps up and last year buying a lightly used evo built rig with almost all the good parts on it.
On my 2012 Jeep that I bought new and did all the work myself, except the minor welding. Doing it this way, it really easy to spend way more money than you think. I put a RK lift and a set of 37. I regeared and spent a ton of money on my stock axels, which was a mistake. I put rock sliders, skid plates, bumpers, roll cage and much more. Then I decide, I want bead locks and new tires. My point is a lot of people start a build, dump money into stock axels and then want new axel or want bead locks after buying aftermarket wheels already. Well the end result was I had a solid rig that served my great for five years. But again my point is, I had a ton of money into it. 40,000 plus for the Jeep and another probably, up into to the 20’s. That was hard to admit.
Fast forward, the new used Jeep that I paid 68,000, that I’m totally happy with and have no regrets. I have so much more, for not a lot more money. The thing that’s hard to swallow, is when your building, it’s a gradual stream of money. When you buy it’s all up front, but your not throwing good money at bad money.
For the record, this rig is bad ass for the east too. It rock crawls awesome and handles these roads in West Virginia unbelievably. I’m not saying this is the way everyone should go, but it made sense to me at the time.


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fiend

Caught the Bug
If you are going to spend most of your time in the dunes... why not get a sand car... I had this buggy for like 6 years and it was the cheapest fun I’ve ever had... it went EVERYWHERE on a stock 1600 VW motor. Easy to work on, easy to fix... probably pick one up for 3k.

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That’s been suggested to the OP several times now, but he seems insistent on jumping his Jeep on a cheap suspension. In a few weeks we will see a new thread from him with pics of a broken or bent axle, which will be entertaining.
 

Freebyrd1972

New member
Thank you everyone for your input, I've think Evo is the way to go. I'll go with their cheapest lift, and have to keep it in the back of my mind not to do any Dukes of Hazards jumps.
 
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