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Slimebones

Slimebones

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WJCO said:
I'm not a huge Trump fan, but compared to both Bush Bozos, Obama, and Clinton, I agree with you.
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At least Trump is trying to do something about this ridiculous onslaught of illegal immigrants into this country. We all KNOW this is necessary. Let's get this done and try to overlook some of his less desirable issues. Obvious the Dems will not get it done!
 
JDDK

JDDK

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California schools had rifle and shooting teams when my folks were young. There were plenty of crazies around then too, but kids still were able to carry guns to class and no one blinked and mass shootings were rare. I think typically a lot of these mass shooters are not actually mentally ill per se, like actual mental insanity. They lived normal lives. I think it sources more from a widespread loss of a moral compass that is pervading our society that is undermining everything beginning at the family level and through education and society itself. Our culture might be improving in areas of denouncing slavery, racism and sexism, but is giving the next generation no moral guidance or purpose. Life is random meaninglessness, do, be, live however or whatever makes you feel good...as long as it doesnt hurt anyone else. We celebrate people identifying as something that is contrary to their DNA. But on what ground can we condemn the shooters? Fact is, we have eroded that ground and have no moral authority left to argue from. Philosophically, we deny absolutes and right and wrong are mere societal constructs... Some of these shooters are probably suicides that have evolved into taking others with them with their hate, anger and disolution with a meaningless existence. Even in the US, life is harsh and difficult to deal with ofyen. Think of how many in our society are probably struggling, depressed, abusing substances- and then they decide to go out in a blaze of murder. It will get worse with publicity and copycats. Look at us over the last 60 years as a society. Same old evils exist now that existed then. But we are progressive! and we are progressing quickly downward in morality. We, like Rome, are headed for a fall.

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RockinAZJK

RockinAZJK

Caught the Bug
JDDK said:
California schools had rifle and shooting teams when my folks were young. There were plenty of crazies around then too, but kids still were able to carry guns to class and no one blinked and mass shootings were rare. I think typically a lot of these mass shooters are not actually mentally ill per se, like actual mental insanity. They lived normal lives. I think it sources more from a widespread loss of a moral compass that is pervading our society that is undermining everything beginning at the family level and through education and society itself. Our culture might be improving in areas of denouncing slavery, racism and sexism, but is giving the next generation no moral guidance or purpose. Life is random meaninglessness, do, be, live however or whatever makes you feel good...as long as it doesnt hurt anyone else. We celebrate people identifying as something that is contrary to their DNA. But on what ground can we condemn the shooters? Fact is, we have eroded that ground and have no moral authority left to argue from. Philosophically, we deny absolutes and right and wrong are mere societal constructs... Some of these shooters are probably suicides that have evolved into taking others with them with their hate, anger and disolution with a meaningless existence. Even in the US, life is harsh and difficult to deal with ofyen. Think of how many in our society are probably struggling, depressed, abusing substances- and then they decide to go out in a blaze of murder. It will get worse with publicity and copycats. Look at us over the last 60 years as a society. Same old evils exist now that existed then. But we are progressive! and we are progressing quickly downward in morality. We, like Rome, are headed for a fall.

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Heavy. But I can’t say you’re wrong.


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Brute

Brute

Hooked
kellyk said:
Trump is about the best thing we’ve had since Reagan by the way


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I voted for Ronald Reagan...and a republican president every election since...except the last one (and no, I didn’t vote for Hillary either)...Trump may be the biggest idiot ever to hold office...

But that’s a discussion for another thread...
 
Ddays

Ddays

Hooked
Brute said:
I voted for Ronald Reagan...and a republican president every election since...except the last one (and no, I didn’t vote for Hillary either)...Trump may be the biggest idiot ever to hold office...

But that’s a discussion for another thread...
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Our current state of affairs is directly tied into the state of current politics. :grayno:

Reagan was the first president I voted for. Still think he was the best I've seen. Clinton, as much as it pains me to say this, wasn't a terrible president. The rest, meh. Hell, Bush II couldn't even say the word "nuclear". No, it's not "nook-u-lur" :doh:

Trump. Does. Not. Care. His massive ego is his problem. And his Twitter account. Just stop. Please.
 
WJCO

WJCO

Meme King
JDDK said:
California schools had rifle and shooting teams when my folks were young. There were plenty of crazies around then too, but kids still were able to carry guns to class and no one blinked and mass shootings were rare. I think typically a lot of these mass shooters are not actually mentally ill per se, like actual mental insanity. They lived normal lives. I think it sources more from a widespread loss of a moral compass that is pervading our society that is undermining everything beginning at the family level and through education and society itself. Our culture might be improving in areas of denouncing slavery, racism and sexism, but is giving the next generation no moral guidance or purpose. Life is random meaninglessness, do, be, live however or whatever makes you feel good...as long as it doesnt hurt anyone else. We celebrate people identifying as something that is contrary to their DNA. But on what ground can we condemn the shooters? Fact is, we have eroded that ground and have no moral authority left to argue from. Philosophically, we deny absolutes and right and wrong are mere societal constructs... Some of these shooters are probably suicides that have evolved into taking others with them with their hate, anger and disolution with a meaningless existence. Even in the US, life is harsh and difficult to deal with ofyen. Think of how many in our society are probably struggling, depressed, abusing substances- and then they decide to go out in a blaze of murder. It will get worse with publicity and copycats. Look at us over the last 60 years as a society. Same old evils exist now that existed then. But we are progressive! and we are progressing quickly downward in morality. We, like Rome, are headed for a fall.

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^ This is exactly a core issue.
 
Edwrds

Edwrds

Caught the Bug
Sharkey said:
Well, for that matter, how do you define "arms"? Or how do you deal with the fact that the 2nd Amendment presents "the right of the people to keep and bear arms" in the context of a well regulated Militia? What is a Militia? Regardless, the framers certainly contemplated that whatever it is...it is supposed to be "well regulated".

At some point reasonable minds have to step beyond slippery slopes, technical legal arguments, and political positions in favor of taking baby steps towards a better existence.
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So they twist the law to their benefit because of the way it’s worded in order to favor them. Hmmm


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kellyk

kellyk

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Ddays said:
Our current state of affairs is directly tied into the state of current politics. :grayno:

Reagan was the first president I voted for. Still think he was the best I've seen. Clinton, as much as it pains me to say this, wasn't a terrible president. The rest, meh. Hell, Bush II couldn't even say the word "nuclear". No, it's not "nook-u-lur" :doh:

Trump. Does. Not. Care. His massive ego is his problem. And his Twitter account. Just stop. Please.
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His ego is what makes him so great. I agree with keeping him off Twitter, but the fact that he speaks his mind is what is so great. He doesn’t give a crap about what either parties thinks of his opinions. He is a Washington outsider and that’s what this country needs right now. The same old same ol is what has put this country in such a shit hole. Politicians being politicians, corrupt as hell and no one there to put them in check. We now have someone who will. Trump 2020!


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Ddays

Ddays

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kellyk said:
His ego is what makes him so great. I agree with keeping him off Twitter, but the fact that he speaks his mind is what is so great. He doesn’t give a crap about what either parties thinks of his opinions. He is a Washington outsider and that’s what this country needs right now. The same old same ol is what has put this country in such a shit hole. Politicians being politicians, corrupt as hell and no one there to put them in check. We now have someone who will. Trump 2020!


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Ok Rush. :rolleyes2:

Edit: How has he put anyone in check? Do you have any examples to cite, or just rhetoric?
 
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