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Can't find where I read it now that I've been on so many sites this morning, but this very issue is being brought to Trump as a matter of national defense. Of course the big Pharma lobbyists are resisting like hell.
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Can't find where I read it now that I've been on so many sites this morning, but this very issue is being brought to Trump as a matter of national defense. Of course the big Pharma lobbyists are resisting like hell.
wjtstudios
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He made a point yesterday to state that a couple times. Out of all of this, I hope that’s one change that comes to fruition.
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Ddays
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Another I'd like to see is for more manufacturing come back to at least North America.
Elroy231
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jdofmemi
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Well said!
I think by the time this runs its course, there will be a lot of changes in thinking.
Some good may come from it, but we will pay a dear price in the short term.
JKbrick
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Sharkey I agree with most of your first statement, I would do Anything for my family. I just am curious how you think this could kill 2 million Americans when China has 81,250 cases with 3,253 deaths? Maybe I took what you meant wrong
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Sharkey
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Oh, I don’t think it likely would. That’s part of the problem. Mortality rates have been quantified as a percentage of deaths to positive tests. Then those percentage rates are being applied as against the population as a whole to arrive at the 2 million number.
The news stories and statements out there from the politicians are absolutely that this will “kill millions” if left unchecked.
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Brute
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Do you actually believe the numbers the Chinese are giving us?...or Iran?...we didn’t know how bad it was in Iran until we had routine satellite surveillance pics of mass graves...
jab1719
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I agree, no way the Chinese are telling the truth we already proved they lied about it in the beginning.
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JKbrick
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No I just don’t see 2 million Americans dying honestly
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Brute
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I certainly hope not...
jesse3638
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Well said sharkey. We as people do not want to see people sick or perish. As you mentioned the tunnel vision and reactive nature of the decisions being made can, will, and are going to have a long lasting effect. Emotions can reek havoc on ones decision making ability when it comes to innocent human lives.
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Brute
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I’ve been giving this some more thought...
I know (I believe) that you would be willing to sacrifice your life for the lives of your children...I know I would, and believe that most parents would feel the same way...but the question you are asking is would you be willing to sacrifice the financial well being of your children over the lives of strangers,...and the answer may depend on how many lives are at stake...
I started to think how the military mindset of leave no man behind relates to this question...how many people (military) are willing to be sacrificed in order to rescue or save just one life...
If the life that is being saved was one of your children, how would the economy factor into your calculation of that decision?...
WJCO
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I'm not speaking for Sharkey but from my own perception of your question and his response (especially with what's going on currently), in my opinion it's not a matter for me as a direct economic figure but rather a standard of living that reflects true capitalism and the desire to work hard to build something that is at stake, along with a sense of morality and pride. In my opinion with the measures that have been taken recently and over the last decades, our children will not be able to experience the lives that we have had. The decisions of our leaders are leading us into a 3rd world style nation and our children will not have the same experience that we had. And this has nothing to do with direct 'economic figures' other than more debt that they will be responsible for. To me, it's happening right before our eyes.
Brute
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I think (and hope) you are underestimating the abilities of our children...historically there have been generations that have gone through extreme hardships, whether it was world war or the Great Depression...yet the entrepreneurial spirit and ingenuity of the next generation overcame all of these obstacles...
WJCO
Meme King
I don't doubt the abilities of our children but I think our current state of government (NEARLY ALL OF THEM REGARDLESS OF POLITICAL PARTY) are still doing things for their own interests politically which will cripple the future of our own children. As I've stated previously, I think the Coronavirus is still being used politically from the top down. I hope I'm wrong.
jeeeep
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While i feel isolation and bringing the economy to a halt is not ideal. I feel I understand the why.
IMO I think it's an issue of trying to protect individuals from having to be in a position of deciding who will live or die when medical facilities are overwhelmed.
Being the litigious society that we are, I can see lawsuits for decades due to an overwhelmed system not capable of dealing with this.
Even now, there are patients in hospitals on life support where the family has sued to stop the hospital from removing the devices supporting them. Those devices could probably be used to treat someone with Covid-19?
Are the current patients using the respirators and other devices required to treat Covid-19 that are under long term care necessary?
If our medical facilities get overwhelmed, who would make the decision to treat this individual over another?
Do the private hospitals turn away the less wealthy for those offering to pay much more to get preferential treatment? it happens now...
In an overwhelmed system, if you as a parent gets ill do you forgo treatment in order to save the resources for your children?
I have a friend who works for the TSA, he got ill in January as people were rushing to return and before the reality of how contagious this virus is was realized.
Took him 21 days to recover from the pneumonia and all but still doesn't feel 100% (spoke to him yesterday).
Once he got ill, it wasn't long after that his wife and 3 children all fell ill with the same issues. His young son is now going thru his 2nd infection with pneumonia in the lung that was not affected the 1st time.
If the hospital was overwhelmed with patients, I wonder how is family would have fared on getting treatment.
I don't like that the economy is going to shit, but i get the reasoning.
IMO I think it's an issue of trying to protect individuals from having to be in a position of deciding who will live or die when medical facilities are overwhelmed.
Being the litigious society that we are, I can see lawsuits for decades due to an overwhelmed system not capable of dealing with this.
Even now, there are patients in hospitals on life support where the family has sued to stop the hospital from removing the devices supporting them. Those devices could probably be used to treat someone with Covid-19?
Are the current patients using the respirators and other devices required to treat Covid-19 that are under long term care necessary?
If our medical facilities get overwhelmed, who would make the decision to treat this individual over another?
Do the private hospitals turn away the less wealthy for those offering to pay much more to get preferential treatment? it happens now...
In an overwhelmed system, if you as a parent gets ill do you forgo treatment in order to save the resources for your children?
I have a friend who works for the TSA, he got ill in January as people were rushing to return and before the reality of how contagious this virus is was realized.
Took him 21 days to recover from the pneumonia and all but still doesn't feel 100% (spoke to him yesterday).
Once he got ill, it wasn't long after that his wife and 3 children all fell ill with the same issues. His young son is now going thru his 2nd infection with pneumonia in the lung that was not affected the 1st time.
If the hospital was overwhelmed with patients, I wonder how is family would have fared on getting treatment.
I don't like that the economy is going to shit, but i get the reasoning.
Zstairlessone
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If 10% of Americans get it, and the same ratio die, we’re looking at 1,200,000+ people. 4% mortality in China
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JKbrick
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I bet a lot more than 80 some thousand had it in China. And who knows if less than 4,000 actually died, but I don’t think there will ever be an accurate count of how many people get it. You may get it the day after your tested and think you have a cold? Idk really
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Brute
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China always tells the truth...hehe