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FoxC

New member
It should be done today, but I'll get it tomorrow. Sharkey and I were talking about gear break in last night. Still don't understand the whole break in theory. I don't have to break in my gears from the factory, why should I have to when they are replaced? :idontknow:
My theory is it applies more to towing maybe...:thinking: I went ahead and drove as normal, also did some wheelin during the first 500 miles. I really didnt get into the throttle until after that though just to be safe. But your right...theres no break-in recommendation for brand new jeeps/trucks etc...and race vehicles change gear ratio's track side. did they break the r&p in for 500 miles before...I doubt it. I think a fluid change at 500 to get shavings out and your good.
 

MTG

Caught the Bug
Mike, it's simple. The first 150-300 miles should be stop and go city traffic so the ring gear and pinion can heat and cool, heat and cool. By 500 miles I would swap diff fluid, drop the cover and inspect everything for any uneven wear. Typically if you make it out of the shop with no noise, no problems you are good. Problems seem to happen almost immediately.

Oh, I understand the "what," I just don't get the "why" of the slow driving with heating and cooling the metal. Like I said before, I didn't have to do that with my factory gears, so why do I need to do it with aftermarket gears? Is is the installation process, the manufacturing process, or just because "that's the way it is done."

Don't get me wrong I intend to break it in properly, just like I broke my engine in properly (driving under 50 mph killed me), and I will take it in at 500 miles (hopefully I can get it done before driving to KOH). I just haven't heard a good reason as to why?

I'm here to be educated. :D
 

MTG

Caught the Bug
So I went looking for it and found this...

New Gear Break-In
by Randy Lyman


Do we really need to break-in a new gear set? I have heard many people say "When I bought my new truck no one ever told me to break-in the ring & pinion." Whenever we are blessed enough to afford a new vehicle, we take it easy on the engine for the first few hundred miles. While we are pampering the engine (probably for the last time ever), the ring & pinion set goes along for the ride and gets a chance to break in before we hammer the throttle.


You just installed a new ring & pinion set and you’re ready to feel the power. Hold on, don’t burn rubber yet. That new gear set may become scrap metal faster than you can say "burned gear syndrome".

In most stock vehicles with stock tires there is seldom a risk of a burned gear set. For those of us who modify and use our trucks, there many situations that can contribute to burned gear syndrome. Motorhomes, towing, tall tires, and high numeric gear ratios (4.56 & up) can all generate a lot of heat and cause the gear oil to break down. The greatest damage to a new gear set results when it has been run for ten minutes or more during the first 500 miles and the oil is very hot. Any heavy use or overloading while the oil is extremely hot will cause it to break down and allow irreversible damage to the ring & pinion.

In order to make them run cooler and quieter, new gears are lapped at the factory. However, they are not lapped under the same pressures that driving creates. The loads generated while driving, force any microscopic high spots on the gear teeth back into the surface of the metal. This is called "work hardening". Work hardening is similar to forging in the way that it compresses the metal molecules into a very compact and hard formation. This can only be accomplished if the metal surfaces are lubricated and the gear temperature stays cool enough that the molecular structure does not change. If the temperature of the metal gets hot enough to change the molecular structure, it will soften the surface instead of hardening it. This may seen like a balancing act but it all happens easily & passively as long as the oil keeps the gear cool while it is breaking in. Some of the synthetic oils on the market today can help a gear set live longer. I’ve had great success with Red Line ®, Torco ®, and Richmond Gear ® synthetic gear oils. These oils will continue to lubricate at temperatures where many crude oils break down.

Even with synthetic oils, I still recommend the following procedure for breaking in a new gear set: After driving the first 15 to 20 miles it is best to stop and let the differential cool before proceeding. Keep the vehicle at speeds below 60 mph for the first 100 miles. I also recommend putting at least 500 miles on the new gear set before heavy use or towing. During the first 45 miles of towing it helps to go about 15 miles at a time before stopping to let the differential cool for 15 minutes before continuing. This is necessary because not all of the gear tooth is making contact until it is heavily loaded. When towing, the teeth flex to contact completely, and cause the previously unloaded portion of the teeth to touch and work harden. All of this may seem like paranoia, but it is very easy to damage the ring & pinion by overloading before the teeth are broken in. If you take it easy on a new ring & pinion and keep it full of high quality oil, it should last a lot longer.

With regards to limited slip additives, I have found that using too much additive can lead to premature gear wear. Use just enough to keep the limited slip from chattering but not more than 4 oz for every 2 qts of oil. It is a good idea to change the gear oil after the first 500 miles in order to remove any metal particles or phosphorus coating that has come from the new gear set. This is cheap insurance and a good time to discover any problems before they grow to disastrous proportions.

Gear Talk is written by Randy Lyman, founder and President of Randy's Ring & Pinion.

Originally published in the Jume 1998 issues of 4WD & Sport Utility Magazine.

http://www.4x4now.com/gt0999.htm
 

Prime8

New member
Like cryo treating gears, I think that a break-in time is a myth. Has the diff not seen enough cycles at 100 miles to cold-work these supposed high spots? My company is the world-wide leader in heat treatment and gears, and gears will attain their favorable properties during a carburizing heat treatment, NOT through cold working and cryo treatment. Gears are precision machined, there are very very very few "high points". Our heavy equipment doesn't require a 500 mile gear break-in time. As a matter of fact, our biggest equipment doesn't even get fully assembled until it gets to the customer. If your gears need time to 'mesh' together, that is due to an improper install. And for the record, cold working and forging are not even remotely similar.
There are an awful lot of metallurgical legends out there, this is one of them.
 

MTG

Caught the Bug
I got my baby back!

While they were working on it, I had them throw my PSC diff covers on as well. ImageUploadedByWAYALIFE1358457742.924662.jpg

Quick cell shot...I was on my way to a meeting and didn't feel like lying in the parking lot in my wok clothes. LOL!
 

10frank9

Web Wheeler
I got my baby back!

While they were working on it, I had them throw my PSC diff covers on as well. View attachment 12802

Quick cell shot...I was on my way to a meeting and didn't feel like lying in the parking lot in my wok clothes. LOL!

Nice! How does if feel now?

And btw I thought your thunder from down under "work clothes" consist of.... Oh well nevermind. 😆
 
MTG, two things: 1) when did you start working as a cook at the Chinese Buffet? wok? 2) if it is a suit, are you the host/greeter?

LMAO!!! :cheesy:

@MTG You are one way overpaid Chinese Buffet Hostess! The least you could do is lose the suit and wear a skirt every once in a while! :brows:
 

MTG

Caught the Bug
MTG, two things: 1) when did you start working as a cook at the Chinese Buffet? wok? 2) if it is a suit, are you the host/greeter?

LOL!

Today is day one...soft opening. Hence I didn't want to be late. Next week is the hard opening of Mongolian Mike's All-You-Can-Eat BBQ Buffet

It's a start up, so I am the host/greeter/waiter/cook/busboy and massuese (happy ending not included in all-you-can-eat price ;))

@MTG You are one way overpaid Chinese Buffet Hostess! The least you could do is lose the suit and wear a skirt every once in a while! :brows:

Not only is it a skirt...it's a "break-away" skirt. :eek:

:cheesy:
 
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