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arisythila
01-10-2016, 06:59 PM
So I thought I would do a quick writeup of my experience with the Metal Cloak 2.5" lift and the infamous 6-Pack shocks.

After really looking at things, and what I received from MetalCloak.

http://192.64.72.132/pron/car/jk/porn/Photo-2015-12-08-14-11-13_3463.JPG
First box I opened were the front shocks. capable of doing 16 inches of travel, which is pretty Outstanding IMO.

http://192.64.72.132/pron/car/jk/porn/Photo-2015-12-08-14-16-00_3464.JPG
After this I sort of went a bit crazy and decided to open everything up.

http://192.64.72.132/pron/car/jk/porn/Photo-2015-12-08-14-16-11_3466.JPG
Each box came labeled, and was easy to read, and understand what was in it.

http://192.64.72.132/pron/car/jk/porn/Photo-2015-12-08-14-16-14_3467.JPG
Shocks looked awesome... They are solid, and seem sturdy. Not flimsy at all...

I started by removing all of the links, and replacing them with the newer metalcloak links. It was pretty easy, but I do have to say that its a GOOD idea to read the directions to avoid sawing off your exhaust instead of the bolt that is the issue... RTFM! Lesson learned!

http://192.64.72.132/pron/car/jk/Photo-2015-12-20-11-16-33_3599.JPG
Things went relatively easy. We removed everything, and just started adding the links after the fact.

http://192.64.72.132/pron/car/jk/Photo-2015-12-20-12-21-38_3600.JPG

http://192.64.72.132/pron/car/jk/Photo-2015-12-20-12-25-03_3602.JPG
I wanted to test how much travel these shocks, and springs allowed for, and to be honest, I am pretty impressed!

http://192.64.72.132/pron/car/jk/Photo-2015-12-20-20-07-17_3606.JPG
here is another shot of the 6 packs. 16 inches of travel in the front, and 14 inches in the rear. They modified the shocks so the red sticks out towards the tire instead of the rear as depicted, and explained in the manual... damn manual!

http://192.64.72.132/pron/car/jk/Photo-2015-12-21-18-02-18_3618.JPG
While I was buttoneing things up, I decided to mount the light bar towers... Light bar was like 150 bucks, and the supports are actually pretty sturdy... pretty happy with them!

http://192.64.72.132/pron/car/jk/Photo-2015-12-22-12-57-15_3623.JPG
Put the factory tires back on, and went to test the clearances, and notice that the factory tires, with rims DO RUB... Metal Cloak says that you really want about 5-5.5 inches of back space so you do not rub anything at all. I have the Hutchinson Rock Monsters on the way, should have been mailed sometime this week. They have a 4.8 inch back spacing IIRC. So I will be getting a 1 inch spacer to bring it out even more.

http://192.64.72.132/pron/car/jk/Photo-2015-12-22-13-06-38_3624.JPG
Finished Front,

http://192.64.72.132/pron/car/jk/Photo-2015-12-22-13-06-52_3625.JPG
Unfinished Rear.

http://192.64.72.132/pron/car/jk/Photo-2015-12-22-13-07-18_3626.JPG
Front measurements is about 10 inches.

http://192.64.72.132/pron/car/jk/Photo-2015-12-22-13-07-41_3627.JPG
Rear measurement comes out to 5.5 inches. I am sure there will be some settling, and more than likely I will have to remove 1 or 2 of the front spacers. This Jeep had the tow package, and I think they put spacers in there to level the vehicle out, I believe the towing rear springs raise it about 2 inches.

http://192.64.72.132/pron/car/jk/Photo-2015-12-20-11-11-01_3598.JPG
These are the spacers that were installed from the factory (I believe). So I may have to remove these to bring it down a bit.. Once I get the rear installed I will know more about leveling, and just how things look.

Until tomorrow! :-)

arisythila
01-10-2016, 07:00 PM
So got some great work done this weekend! Rear suspension is pretty much done! I still have to replace a bolt that I had to cut off because it was severely damaged, and hook breaks back up, bleed them, and hook the sway bars up.

http://192.64.72.132/pron/car/jk/Photo-2015-12-26-11-48-56_3638.JPG
This is the bolt I had to cut... Doh! But the good news is I have 2 new ones on order, and should be here on Tuesday.

http://192.64.72.132/pron/car/jk/Photo-2015-12-26-11-51-27_3639.JPG
As I was loosening it. this little guy decided to sheer off.

http://192.64.72.132/pron/car/jk/Photo-2015-12-26-12-02-37_3641.JPG
The most daunting task was modifying the rear axle. You have to remove the stock shock mount off, and cut about 2 inches off of the bottom of the axle.

I took my dewalt reciprocating saw and removed the old shock bracket.

http://192.64.72.132/pron/car/jk/Photo-2015-12-26-12-03-09_3642.JPG
This method seemed to be the easiest way for me to cut things straight without being bound up under the vehicle with an angle grinder with a cutting disc.

http://192.64.72.132/pron/car/jk/Photo-2015-12-26-12-07-29_3643.JPG
After a couple of minutes of working through it... I got the lower shock mount off.

http://192.64.72.132/pron/car/jk/Photo-2015-12-26-12-20-45_3644.JPG
Because I had extra time on my hand, I decided to grind it down... LOL Sort of a waste of time, but helped with my lines.

http://192.64.72.132/pron/car/jk/Photo-2015-12-26-12-51-11_3646.JPG
Took the reciprocating saw again, and nobbed off the bottom peice.. you can see I was able to get it pretty close to the silver line that I painted on there as my baseline. (USE METALIC PAINT!)

http://192.64.72.132/pron/car/jk/Photo-2015-12-26-12-58-24_3647.JPG
after a bit of grinding and everything and drilling out the second hole for the mount, I was able to get everything nice and smooth, and rounded.

http://192.64.72.132/pron/car/jk/Photo-2015-12-26-13-03-34_3648.JPG
I was able to get some good paint on there, to drop any rust, but will probably get it touched up with something a little better...

http://192.64.72.132/pron/car/jk/Photo-2015-12-26-13-04-10_3650.JPG
better picture of the paint job...

http://192.64.72.132/pron/car/jk/Photo-2015-12-26-16-35-37_3651.JPG
Drivers side was a little better after learning from the passenger side! Links went on very easily, and well

http://192.64.72.132/pron/car/jk/Photo-2015-12-26-18-15-26_3652.JPG
Shocks went on well and easy.. After installing the shocks. I can tell why Metal Cloak recommends after market exhaust, or custom exhaust... The shocks will rub up against the exhaust as it stands. So I ordered a set of AFE headers/midpipes/exhaust! DARN! Which boasts about 30 HP gained, and 40 ft/lb of torque gained.

http://192.64.72.132/pron/car/jk/Photo-2015-12-26-18-15-42_3653.JPG

http://192.64.72.132/pron/car/jk/Photo-2015-12-31-15-30-32_3694.JPG
Final result.... Getting there!

Getting so close to getting everything done!

Cbach1987
01-10-2016, 07:12 PM
Awesome write up! Looking at this lift myself so this definately helps things!
Thanks!

arisythila
01-10-2016, 07:15 PM
Awesome write up! Looking at this lift myself so this definately helps things!
Thanks!

Glad I could help! Its a bit expensive, but man, the travel on this thing is pretty amazing IMO.

Very happy with it, I know its not a hard task, but I am waiting for NorthRidge 4x4 to get an opening so I can bring it in there for them to put their secret sauce on the suspension.

10frank9
01-10-2016, 07:19 PM
Welcome to Wayalife! Strange that your first contribution to this community is to post a write-up about a Metacloak lift? :thinking:

Jknewbi
01-10-2016, 07:39 PM
Oh my... I'm here for the carnage.

JKRicky
01-10-2016, 07:40 PM
Curious, what's Northridge's secret sauce?? Keep an eye on those shocks, have heard of a lot of failures. As long as your happy with it, that's all that matters. Good luck and welcome to WAL!

WarriorJeep
01-10-2016, 07:56 PM
Oh my... I'm here for the carnage.

181642


Nice write up, just for the record

wayoflife
01-10-2016, 07:56 PM
"16 inches of travel in the front and 14 inches in the rear" on a 2-door with only 2.5" of lift??? :shock: Where do I get me some of this magical secret sauce?!! :thumb:

arisythila
01-10-2016, 07:59 PM
.... Thanks

10frank9
01-10-2016, 08:00 PM
181642


Nice write up, just for the record

You'll have to forgive my negativity but a true write-up would include a list of the necessary tools needed for the install and a step by step list with photos of how to install this lift. But that meme was funny. ;)

arisythila
01-10-2016, 08:00 PM
Curious, what's Northridge's secret sauce?? Keep an eye on those shocks, have heard of a lot of failures. As long as your happy with it, that's all that matters. Good luck and welcome to WAL!

Not really secret sauce, they are just authorized, and I am fairly sure that I screwed something up here. So allowing them to do a once over to make sure the links are set to correct length, and make sure everything is aligned.. haha :-)

arisythila
01-10-2016, 08:02 PM
"16 inches of travel in the front and 14 inches in the rear" on a 2-door with only 2.5" of lift??? :shock: Where do I get me some of this magical secret sauce?!! :thumb:

Thats what was so attractive on this kit... My brother has a TJ, and it only has like 11 inches of travel. So I had to one up him... haha :-)

arisythila
01-10-2016, 08:03 PM
You'll have to forgive my negativity but a true write-up would include a list of the necessary tools needed for the install and a step by step list with photos of how to install this lift. But that meme was funny. ;)

LOL :-) If you want the tools, RTM! :-) I just mainly wanted to show that a normal person could do this with fairly minimal effort. Im just a normal guy with a couple of tools.

10frank9
01-10-2016, 08:06 PM
LOL :-) If you want the tools, RTM! :-) I just mainly wanted to show that a normal person could do this with fairly minimal effort. Im just a normal guy with a couple of tools.

Perhaps the thread title should read "Metal Cloak photos and opinions" instead of suggesting its a write-up. :yup::crazyeyes:

JKRicky
01-10-2016, 08:06 PM
Not really secret sauce, they are just authorized, and I am fairly sure that I screwed something up here. So allowing them to do a once over to make sure the links are set to correct length, and make sure everything is aligned.. haha :-)
Ah gotchya. Well hope it all works out. And to save you in the long run, save the extra money and get a Warn winch [emoji6]

wayoflife
01-10-2016, 08:08 PM
Not really secret sauce, they are just authorized, and I am fairly sure that I screwed something up here. So allowing them to do a once over to make sure the links are set to correct length, and make sure everything is aligned.. haha :-)

Honestly, do yourself a favor and save your money. Being that you're handy with tools, this write-up should help you out.
http://wayalife.com/showthread.php?3861-Basic-Do-it-Yourself-Jeep-JK-Wrangler-Front-End-Alignment


Thats what was so attractive on this kit... My brother has a TJ, and it only has like 11 inches of travel. So I had to one up him... haha :-)

Sorry, I guess you missed the sarcasm. Since you've bought into the clever, if not misleading marketing, there is a BIG difference between "shock travel" and "vertical travel".

OverlanderJK
01-10-2016, 08:10 PM
Thats what was so attractive on this kit... My brother has a TJ, and it only has like 11 inches of travel. So I had to one up him... haha :-)

Lol your numbers are a fairy tale.

arisythila
01-10-2016, 08:11 PM
Ah gotchya. Well hope it all works out. And to save you in the long run, save the extra money and get a Warn winch [emoji6]

This is my second SmittyBilt. I had the XRC 8 before, and had good luck with it. If I run into some issues with this, Ill look at the WARN, but I really liked the idea of having a Wireless remote on this, and at the price point of 700-800 dollars. I am pretty happy with what I got. I am not a huge fan of metal cordage, so they had a great deal for the Synth cordage.


Perhaps the thread title should read "Metal Cloak photos and opinions" instead of suggesting its a write-up. :yup::crazyeyes:

Touche :-) It is a writeup of my experience, and obstacles of what I encountered during the install.

arisythila
01-10-2016, 08:12 PM
Lol your numbers are a fairy tale.

I must have added wrong... 16 inch compressed, 32 inches uncompressed for the fronts, 14 inches compressed, and 28 inches uncompressed for the rears.

:eek:

arisythila
01-10-2016, 08:17 PM
Honestly, do yourself a favor and save your money. Being that you're handy with tools, this write-up should help you out.
http://wayalife.com/showthread.php?3861-Basic-Do-it-Yourself-Jeep-JK-Wrangler-Front-End-Alignment



Sorry, I guess you missed the sarcasm. Since you've bought into the clever, if not misleading marketing, there is a BIG difference between "shock travel" and "vertical travel".

That article is one of the reasons I signed up... It was very informative. I am sure its fine, I just wanted to give it to them to finish it up. I also have them doing a few other things that I just do not really want to do.. Getting too old to climb under a truck for pleasure.. Its merely a laziness issue more than anything... :-)

I measured the shock travel. 16 inches compressed, and 32 inches uncompressed for the fronts, and 14/28 for the rear.

It's not a coilover system, but for a 2.5 inch lift, and the shock travel, it should be pretty mean. I'll work on seeing the max travel before wheels get off the ground, probably use a fork lift for this or something. I remember reading that there is a cool articulation trailer that goes around that allows you to measure stuff up. I'll have to see when it will be in town.

Thanks,

OverlanderJK
01-10-2016, 08:18 PM
I must have added wrong... 16 inch compressed, 32 inches uncompressed for the fronts, 14 inches compressed, and 28 inches uncompressed for the rears.

:eek:

I can get 24 inches of travel in my garage. You haven't even driven it yet.

arisythila
01-10-2016, 08:20 PM
I can get 24 inches of travel in my garage. You haven't even driven it yet.

:-( Sorry.... I will leave now. I apologize for trying to help.

Thanks for my short stay, and hospitality.

OverlanderJK
01-10-2016, 08:22 PM
:-( Sorry.... I will leave now. I apologize for trying to help.

Thanks for my short stay, and hospitality.

What exactly were you trying to help? You made a review on a product you haven't even tested and only opened the boxes.

arisythila
01-10-2016, 08:30 PM
Hey I apologized.

Thank you sir. Please feel free to delete this thread, until I can form a better opinion based on what I've purchased.

OverlanderJK
01-10-2016, 08:31 PM
Hey I apologized.

Thank you sir. Please feel free to delete this thread, until I can form a better opinion based on what I've purchased.

I didn't ask if you apologized. I ask what you tried to help with.

We won't delete the thread.

Jackal01
01-10-2016, 08:31 PM
Threads don't get deleted.

wayoflife
01-10-2016, 08:33 PM
That article is one of the reasons I signed up... It was very informative. I am sure its fine, I just wanted to give it to them to finish it up. I also have them doing a few other things that I just do not really want to do.. Getting too old to climb under a truck for pleasure.. Its merely a laziness issue more than anything... :-)

I measured the shock travel. 16 inches compressed, and 32 inches uncompressed for the fronts, and 14/28 for the rear.

It's not a coilover system, but for a 2.5 inch lift, and the shock travel, it should be pretty mean. I'll work on seeing the max travel before wheels get off the ground, probably use a fork lift for this or something. I remember reading that there is a cool articulation trailer that goes around that allows you to measure stuff up. I'll have to see when it will be in town.

Thanks,

You'll forgive me but you've already posted up a photo that shows the total amount of "max travel" you are getting out your 6-Pack shocks. Allow me to demonstrate using YOUR photo.

181647

No matter how you want to do your math, you can ONLY have as much "vertical travel" as there is space between your bump stops to allow for it. And, looking at your photo, there is about the exact same amount of space between your bump stop extension and bump stop as there is shock shaft on the upper portion of your 6-pack. The rest of the shock shaft below is doing a whole lot of nothing. This isn't rocket science and I in spite of what you choose to believe, I can't make this stuff up.

That being said, I think it's cool that you did the install yourself and I think it's great that you think so highly of your lift kit. In the end, it's your money and your Jeep, I just want to make sure that others don't read what you've written and come away with it misinformed.

arisythila
01-10-2016, 08:41 PM
You'll forgive me but you've already posted up a photo that shows the total amount of "max travel" you are getting out your 6-Pack shocks. Allow me to demonstrate using YOUR photo.

181647

No matter how you want to do your math, you can ONLY have as much "vertical travel" as there is space between your bump stops to allow for it. And, looking at your photo, there is about the exact same amount of space between your bump stop extension and bump stop as there is shock shaft on the upper portion of your 6-pack. The rest of the shock shaft below is doing a whole lot of nothing. This isn't rocket science and I in spite of what you choose to believe, I can't make this stuff up.

That being said, I think it's cool that you did the install yourself and I think it's great that you think so highly of your lift kit. In the end, it's your money and your Jeep, I just want to make sure that others don't read what you've written and come away with it misinformed.

Thanks for posting an image... However the lower side of the shock, both sides go up, and both go down.. They stay about equal.. If there is 10 inches on one side, there is 10 on the other side. I am not sure how they were able to keep them both equal length. They mention in their documents if only one side goes down, and the other stays full length, or they are unequal, that you need to get them serviced. They provide a service for them for 75 dollars, damaged or not.

But the stock travel, both sides are equal at all times. From my garage testing of course.

I understand what your saying. I do not believe anything that i've said has been misleading, wrong, or incorrect. I do not believe I said vertical travel, I may have said shock travel, or travel, but never said vertical travel. I am also building this to not be super high, but to have a lot of down travel. Not so much up travel. I do have to remove 3 inches for the bump stops, but my main concern is just the tires being able to articulate as much as possible, which I believe this kit will allow with the longer travel shocks.

I in no way think that this is the bomb, or the best, or anything else. I merely wrote this, and took pictures on the things that I got stumped on, and how I moved forward with them. Nothing more, nothing less.

Again, I apologize for my statements, albeit false, or plausable, or true.

Thanks,

wayoflife
01-10-2016, 08:55 PM
Thanks for posting an image... However the lower side of the shock, both sides go up, and both go down.. They stay about equal.. If there is 10 inches on one side, there is 10 on the other side. I am not sure how they were able to keep them both equal length. They mention in their documents if only one side goes down, and the other stays full length, or they are unequal, that you need to get them serviced. They provide a service for them for 75 dollars, damaged or not.

But the stock travel, both sides are equal at all times. From my garage testing of course.

I understand what your saying. I do not believe anything that i've said has been misleading, wrong, or incorrect. I do not believe I said vertical travel, I may have said shock travel, or travel, but never said vertical travel. I am also building this to not be super high, but to have a lot of down travel. Not so much up travel. I do have to remove 3 inches for the bump stops, but my main concern is just the tires being able to articulate as much as possible, which I believe this kit will allow with the longer travel shocks.

I in no way think that this is the bomb, or the best, or anything else. I merely wrote this, and took pictures on the things that I got stumped on, and how I moved forward with them. Nothing more, nothing less.

Again, I apologize for my statements, albeit false, or plausable, or true.

Thanks,

I understand that both sides of the shocks slide in and out of the shock body but do YOU understand that it doesn't make a difference? In the end, the only thing that matters is the total amount of space you have between your bump stop and the axle - that will be the TOTAL amount of how much travel you ultimately have.

I can't speak for anyone else but again, my only purpose for posting up on this thread is to help inform OTHERS who might be interested in buying this kit and by correcting your misleading information. I'm not suggesting that you did it on purpose but left unchecked, others might take it as being factual.

Jeepnoub
01-10-2016, 08:57 PM
It's funny how before I learned about the 6 pack shock, I was thinking of ways you could get more travel. Considering shocks are related travel. My bright theory was bolting 2 short shocks together. My next thoughts were, no way that would be a good idea.

Then comes wayalife.com to confirm all my thoughts as to why. It's just looks like a confused shock, half the time it's rebounding the other half it's compressing. How can you get a consistent ride.

arisythila
01-10-2016, 09:04 PM
I understand that both sides of the shocks slide in and out of the shock body but do YOU understand that it doesn't make a difference? In the end, the only thing that matters is the total amount of space you have between your bump stop and the axle - that will be the TOTAL amount of how much travel you ultimately have.

I can't speak for anyone else but again, my only purpose for posting up on this thread is to help inform OTHERS who might be interested in buying this kit and by correcting your misleading information. I'm not suggesting that you did it on purpose but left unchecked, others might take it as being factual.

Correct, The total amount of travel is between my bump stop and the axle. I agree 100%. I was only speaking for the shock travel. I also liked how the springs stayed tight in the upper carrier even tho I was at full down travel.

But again, my opinions are my own, if you show me where I make a mistake, I can go back and fix it. But I am not seeing it.

Thanks Eddie.

arisythila
01-10-2016, 09:08 PM
It's funny how before I learned about the 6 pack shock, I was thinking of ways you could get more travel. Considering shocks are related travel. My bright theory was bolting 2 short shocks together. My next thoughts were, no way that would be a good idea.

Then comes wayalife.com to confirm all my thoughts as to why. It's just looks like a confused shock, half the time it's rebounding the other half it's compressing. How can you get a consistent ride.

I think the cylinders are linked together, and if one side goes down the other side has to go down... It is a bit of an odd design, but no risk, no reward. They are different, and unique, and if they work as intended I think they could be pretty cool.

http://image.fourwheeler.com/f/37203160+w600+cr1/129_1205_01%2Bsix_pack%2Bmetalcloak_six_pack_shock _exploded_view

I'm unsure, as soon as I get it on a trail, should be Evan's Creek, Tahuya, or Elbe. I will give a much more informed opinion on what I like and do not like about them.

Thanks,

Jeepnoub
01-10-2016, 09:19 PM
I think the cylinders are linked together, and if one side goes down the other side has to go down... It is a bit of an odd design, but no risk, no reward. They are different, and unique, and if they work as intended I think they could be pretty cool.

http://image.fourwheeler.com/f/37203160+w600+cr1/129_1205_01%2Bsix_pack%2Bmetalcloak_six_pack_shock _exploded_view

I'm unsure, as soon as I get it on a trail, should be Evan's Creek, Tahuya, or Elbe. I will give a much more informed opinion on what I like and do not like about them.

Thanks,

I agree with you about them being unique and willing to push the envelope. That's something I can definitely appreciate. Without companies like that then everyone would run just one brand, making everything very vanilla.

Having a if it's not broke don't fix it mentality, coilovers seem like money better placed.

That's just me. I do look forward to your impression on these. Thanks

OverlanderJK
01-10-2016, 09:22 PM
I think the cylinders are linked together, and if one side goes down the other side has to go down... It is a bit of an odd design, but no risk, no reward. They are different, and unique, and if they work as intended I think they could be pretty cool.

http://image.fourwheeler.com/f/37203160+w600+cr1/129_1205_01%2Bsix_pack%2Bmetalcloak_six_pack_shock _exploded_view

I'm unsure, as soon as I get it on a trail, should be Evan's Creek, Tahuya, or Elbe. I will give a much more informed opinion on what I like and do not like about them.

Thanks,

A much more informed opinion? You mean a bias uninformed opinion, correct?

wayoflife
01-10-2016, 09:22 PM
Correct, The total amount of travel is between my bump stop and the axle. I agree 100%. I was only speaking for the shock travel. I also liked how the springs stayed tight in the upper carrier even tho I was at full down travel.

But again, my opinions are my own, if you show me where I make a mistake, I can go back and fix it. But I am not seeing it.

Thanks Eddie.

LOL!! But my point is that "shock travel" doesn't mean squat. You can have a shock with 30" of travel but if total amount of "vertical travel" you have is only 10", that's all you'll have to work with. Talking about "shock travel" like it somehow means something is ignorantly irrelevant at best and purposefully misleading at worst. This isn't an issue about "opinions", this is an issue about "FACTS".

arisythila
01-10-2016, 09:25 PM
..... Thanks

arisythila
01-10-2016, 09:30 PM
LOL!! But my point is that "shock travel" doesn't mean squat. You can have a shock with 30" of travel but if total amount of "vertical travel" you have is only 10", that's all you'll have to work with. Talking about "shock travel" like it somehow means something is ignorantly irrelevant at best and purposefully misleading at worst. This isn't an issue about "opinions", this is an issue what is a "FACT".

Shock travel may not mean anything... If you have a shock that only extends 20 inches uncompressed, versus something that can travel 32 inches uncompressed, it can extend the amount of downward travel. Is this false? Or does this not matter at all?

Thanks,

OverlanderJK
01-10-2016, 09:39 PM
Of course sir! :-) Very biased... I am sure anything that I would have picked up would have had more travel than my 4runner.

To be honest with you this is my first American car... Eh, I take that bad, My wife when we got married had a Sable, before I sold it, and bought her the Lexus IS300.

I am honestly just a moron who wanted to go out and have a little bit of fun on a few trails like I had with my 4runner. I have a lot to learn if I am going to keep this Jeep..

I've also got a REALLY small penis.... my wife says its cute... smaller than your pinky... micro penis small....

Now can we move on and stop attacking each other? I'd rather gain information instead of this... Lets learn, live, and thrive.

(heart)

At least you've admitted all your problems.

Hot94Z28
01-10-2016, 09:43 PM
Of course sir! :-) Very biased... I am sure anything that I would have picked up would have had more travel than my 4runner.

To be honest with you this is my first American car... Eh, I take that bad, My wife when we got married had a Sable, before I sold it, and bought her the Lexus IS300.

I am honestly just a moron who wanted to go out and have a little bit of fun on a few trails like I had with my 4runner. I have a lot to learn if I am going to keep this Jeep..

I've also got a REALLY small penis.... my wife says its cute... smaller than your pinky... micro penis small....

Now can we move on and stop attacking each other? I'd rather gain information instead of this... Lets learn, live, and thrive.

(heart)

Well it has been cold, and there is shrinkage.

wayoflife
01-10-2016, 09:56 PM
Shock travel may not mean anything... If you have a shock that only extends 20 inches uncompressed, versus something that can travel 32 inches uncompressed, it can extend the amount of downward travel. Is this false? Or does this not matter at all?

Thanks,

:cheesy: LOL!! Is it safe to assume that English isn't your first language? Allow me to try this again and a bit more slowly...

IT DOESN'T MATTER

HOW MUCH DOWNWARD TRAVEL

YOUR SHOCK HAS

YOU ARE ALWAYS GOING TO BE LIMITED

TO THE AMOUNT OF VERTICAL TRAVEL

YOUR JEEP HAS.

So you know, I run 8" coil over shocks on the back of my JK's and yet, I'm able to get 14" of true vertical travel. How in the hell is that possible? Likewise, I run 12" coil overs up front that also provide 14" of true vertical travel - I used to run 14" coil overs but could only do that with limiting straps - why would they be necessary?

You're obsessing over clever marketing that you've been sold on instead of trying to understand why things work the way they do. :yup:

arisythila
01-10-2016, 10:19 PM
LOL!! Is it safe to assume that English isn't your first language? Allow me to try this again and a bit more slowly...

IT DOESN'T MATTER

HOW MUCH DOWNWARD TRAVEL

YOUR SHOCK HAS

YOU ARE ALWAYS GOING TO BE LIMITED

TO THE AMOUNT OF VERTICAL TRAVEL

YOUR JEEP HAS.

So you know, I run 8" coil over shocks on the back of my JK's and yet, I'm able to get 14" of true vertical travel. How in the hell is that possible? Likewise, I run 12" coil overs up front that also provide 14" of true vertical travel - I used to run 14" coil overs but could only do that with limiting straps - why would they be necessary?

You're obsessing over clever marketing that you've been sold on instead of trying to understand why things work the way they do.

WHOA... Way too fast... slow it down just a little more for me please!

Now just to be clear.... I've already admitted to being a moron with a small penis.... So me asking questions to understand what your talking about, because you keep talking about vertical travel, and when I say downward travel, you say it doesn't matter...

I am playing this out in my very very moronic, idiotic brain. Vertical movement is up and down motion... versus horizontal movement. (which my stoopid stoopid brain things is more of a left or right movement, or forward, or backwards movement).. Am I wrong here?

You jeep saying down travel doesn't matter, but that is a vertical movement, just like up travel would be a vertical movement.. Up travel would be the amount of travel you can achieve before hitting your bump stops. Where down travel would be limited by how much your shocks could travel down.. Shocks are usually your limiting factor. Am I wrong here?

I don't know if my vibe here, is coming off like a complete asshole or not, But I am truly trying to understand here, which is why I am asking questions. One thing I hate about these forums, and emails and stuff is you do not get the human touch, expression, etc etc in them.

I do not think your wrong, I think a lot of conflicts only happen because of miscommunication, whether that be listening, reading, or speaking/writing.

I appreciate it sir. If you want me to just leave this forum, that is fine... I have no problem leaving... I am not trying to be a trouble maker here, but I feel like a lot of you guys are trying to chase me away... Maybe because I don't know the super secret jeep handshake... I noticed this when I use to wheel with some of the jeep guys when I had my 4runner.. I am fairly sure I only got invited because my brother had a TJ. Was told to go home a few times before we even got started, before I even opened my mouth... At the end of the trail, we all hugged tho... Give me the world and I'll leave...

Thanks,

highoctane
01-10-2016, 10:27 PM
The problem is the longest shocks in the world won't help you out if you are limited by things like brake lines, ABS sensor lines, sway bar links, and driveshaft joints. It isn't as simple as bolting on a set of shocks that are too long for your vehicles suspension, and binding control arms/poor suspension geometry.


And no one is asking you to leave the forum. Why do you keep saying that? People are trying to explain how you bought into what is more marketing than actually functional. Basically the Tornado of offroad shocks. probably would make a great commercial, but not really perform to the advertised standards once installed on your vehicle.

arisythila
01-10-2016, 10:33 PM
The problem is the longest shocks in the world won't help you out if you are limited by things like brake lines, ABS sensor lines, sway bar links, and driveshaft joints. It isn't as simple as bolting on a set of shocks that are too long for your vehicles suspension.

Yeah, I noticed that when I was working with these. at full downward travel, I had to modify my brake lines, and my ABS wires. I understand there is a limit.

I guess I wouldn't really say the downware travel of the shock, but of the axle itself. I think thats a better way to describe it.

OverlanderJK
01-10-2016, 10:35 PM
WHOA... Way too fast... slow it down just a little more for me please!

Now just to be clear.... I've already admitted to being a moron with a small penis.... So me asking questions to understand what your talking about, because you keep talking about vertical travel, and when I say downward travel, you say it doesn't matter...

I am playing this out in my very very moronic, idiotic brain. Vertical movement is up and down motion... versus horizontal movement. (which my stoopid stoopid brain things is more of a left or right movement, or forward, or backwards movement).. Am I wrong here?

You jeep saying down travel doesn't matter, but that is a vertical movement, just like up travel would be a vertical movement.. Up travel would be the amount of travel you can achieve before hitting your bump stops. Where down travel would be limited by how much your shocks could travel down.. Shocks are usually your limiting factor. Am I wrong here?

I don't know if my vibe here, is coming off like a complete asshole or not, But I am truly trying to understand here, which is why I am asking questions. One thing I hate about these forums, and emails and stuff is you do not get the human touch, expression, etc etc in them.

I do not think your wrong, I think a lot of conflicts only happen because of miscommunication, whether that be listening, reading, or speaking/writing.

I appreciate it sir. If you want me to just leave this forum, that is fine... I have no problem leaving... I am not trying to be a trouble maker here, but I feel like a lot of you guys are trying to chase me away... Maybe because I don't know the super secret jeep handshake... I noticed this when I use to wheel with some of the jeep guys when I had my 4runner.. I am fairly sure I only got invited because my brother had a TJ. Was told to go home a few times before we even got started, before I even opened my mouth... At the end of the trail, we all hugged tho... Give me the world and I'll leave...

Thanks,

Ok this has gone long enough. You are a fucking retard.

Hot94Z28
01-10-2016, 10:40 PM
WHOA... Way too fast... slow it down just a little more for me please!

Now just to be clear.... I've already admitted to being a moron with a small penis.... So me asking questions to understand what your talking about, because you keep talking about vertical travel, and when I say downward travel, you say it doesn't matter...

I am playing this out in my very very moronic, idiotic brain. Vertical movement is up and down motion... versus horizontal movement. (which my stoopid stoopid brain things is more of a left or right movement, or forward, or backwards movement).. Am I wrong here?

You jeep saying down travel doesn't matter, but that is a vertical movement, just like up travel would be a vertical movement.. Up travel would be the amount of travel you can achieve before hitting your bump stops. Where down travel would be limited by how much your shocks could travel down.. Shocks are usually your limiting factor. Am I wrong here?

I don't know if my vibe here, is coming off like a complete asshole or not, But I am truly trying to understand here, which is why I am asking questions. One thing I hate about these forums, and emails and stuff is you do not get the human touch, expression, etc etc in them.

I do not think your wrong, I think a lot of conflicts only happen because of miscommunication, whether that be listening, reading, or speaking/writing.

I appreciate it sir. If you want me to just leave this forum, that is fine... I have no problem leaving... I am not trying to be a trouble maker here, but I feel like a lot of you guys are trying to chase me away... Maybe because I don't know the super secret jeep handshake... I noticed this when I use to wheel with some of the jeep guys when I had my 4runner.. I am fairly sure I only got invited because my brother had a TJ. Was told to go home a few times before we even got started, before I even opened my mouth... At the end of the trail, we all hugged tho... Give me the world and I'll leave...

Thanks,

This has not been used in awhile
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arisythila
01-10-2016, 10:40 PM
And no one is asking you to leave the forum. Why do you keep saying that? People are trying to explain how you bought into what is more marketing than actually functional. Basically the Tornado of offroad shocks. probably would make a great commercial, but not really perform to the advertised standards once installed on your vehicle.

What Eddie was saying is it was all marketing, because the lower end of the shock doesn't do anything, but thats not what I've seen. I've seen the opposite. Then with his latest kick in the pants after trying to understand where he is coming from so I can understand it... I'm an mechanical/engineering guy... For me to understand something I almost have to visualize it... or understand it..

"Dont touch that".

"Why?"

"Because I said so.."

I'm going to touch it... That's just how my brain works... I barely passed school, and had to teach myself a lot more depth because of that... Hell, I know how HVAC systems work, rebuilt several 400+ HP motors, transmissions, etc etc. I've screwed up some too.. I dont know. I like learning... Life... I learn every single day... anything and everything... I LOVE IT.... History, mechanics, engineering, electronics, science, etc etc.

I feel like everybody is getting frustrated because I am asking questions so I can understand.

Hot94Z28
01-10-2016, 10:46 PM
What Eddie was saying is it was all marketing, because the lower end of the shock doesn't do anything, but thats not what I've seen. I've seen the opposite. Then with his latest kick in the pants after trying to understand where he is coming from so I can understand it... I'm an mechanical/engineering guy... For me to understand something I almost have to visualize it... or understand it..

"Dont touch that".

"Why?"

"Because I said so.."

I'm going to touch it... That's just how my brain works... I barely passed school, and had to teach myself a lot more depth because of that... Hell, I know how HVAC systems work, rebuilt several 400+ HP motors, transmissions, etc etc. I've screwed up some too.. I dont know. I like learning... Life... I learn every single day... anything and everything... I LOVE IT.... History, mechanics, engineering, electronics, science, etc etc.

I feel like everybody is getting frustrated because I am asking questions so I can understand.

No everyone is starting to get frustrated with you acting a fool referring to your small manhood, then your moronic brain instead of just having a discussion.

arisythila
01-10-2016, 10:53 PM
Ok this has gone long enough. You are a fucking retard.

.... ok...


No everyone is starting to get frustrated with you acting a fool referring to your small manhood, then your moronic brain instead of just having a discussion.

Thank you.

RedRum
01-10-2016, 10:53 PM
I would never post about my penis size on a jeep forum ... I let my jeep do the talking lol

wayoflife
01-10-2016, 10:57 PM
What Eddie was saying is it was all marketing...

Metal Cloak is a NEW company and "marketing" IS the only thing they've had to lean on in order to sell their stuff. Now, I would be the first to say that they are REALLY GOOD at it and a lot of other companies could learn a thing or two from them BUT, good marketing doesn't always mean good information.


...because the lower end of the shock doesn't do anything

Hang on partner, I NEVER SAID THAT and clearly, you're not understanding a thing that I've been saying. The "lower" end of your shock has nothing to do with anything. All I did was take your photo and SHOWED you how much TOTAL shock shaft was showing on your magical 6-pack shocks and was pointing out how much or should I say, how little was actually used when compared to the total amount of VERTICAL TRAVEL you have. Please note that VERTICAL TRAVEL is the amount travel UP AND DOWN your axle has.


...but thats not what I've seen. I've seen the opposite.

That's because you're only choosing to see what you want to see. The fact of the matter is, your photograph SHOWS exactly how much down travel your axle has. It also SHOWS how much your axle can travel UPWARDS. That is ALL the space you have to work with REGARDLESS of how much your shocks "can" compress and extend.


I'm an mechanical/engineering guy...

:cheesy: LOL!! Well, that explains everything to me :crazyeyes:


I feel like everybody is getting frustrated because I am asking questions so I can understand.

Sorry pal, nobody I know is frustrated here and it's not your questions that's the problem, it's the fact that you're too busy trying to make a point rather than actually LISTENING to what some of us are saying.

arisythila
01-10-2016, 10:57 PM
I would never post about my penis size on a jeep forum ... I let my jeep do the talking lol

Its all moot. Everybody seems to have a large large penis here, or they are a bunch of children.. Lets put our penises down, and lets chat...

I am fairly new to the whole Jeep scene... My last rig was the 1995 4Runner.. That thing was a blast, but mean it had problems with the IFS. The front suspension was so stiff. So this is the first time that I've bought with a solid axle.

Would have been cool to be a part of the community, and scene. But it is what it is. :-)

Thanks,

arisythila
01-10-2016, 11:05 PM
Metal Cloak is a NEW company and "marketing" IS the only thing they've had to lean on in order to sell their stuff. Now, I would be the first to say that they are REALLY GOOD at it and a lot of other companies could learn a thing or two from them. BUT, good marketing doesn't always mean good information.

I agree, Marketing doesn't mean anything. You can have a shitty product, and good marketing, and make millions. I agree with you.



Hang on partner, I NEVER SAID THAT and clearly, you're not understanding a thing that I've been saying. The "lower" end of your shock has nothing to do with anything. All I did was take your photo and SHOWED you how much TOTAL shock shaft was showing on your magical 6-pack shocks and was pointing out how much or should I say, how little was actually used when compared to the total amount of VERTICAL TRAVEL you have. Please note that VERTICAL TRAVEL is the amount travel UP AND DOWN travel your axle has.


I thought with the image you created you showed the lower end of the shock, and said it didn't do anything. None the less, I agree with you, Shock doesn't have a whole lot to do with actual vertical tavel. If your shock does not reach its limits.



That's because you're only choosing to see what you want to see. The fact of the matter is, your photograph SHOWS exactly how much down travel your axle has. It also SHOWS how much your axle can travel UPWARDS. That is ALL the space you have to work with REGARDLESS of how much your shocks "can" compress and extend.

Correct.



:cheesy: LOL!! Well, that explains everything to me :crazyeyes:


LOL.. Outstanding!



Sorry pal, nobody I know is frustrated here and it's not your questions that's the problem, it's the fact that you're too busy trying to make a point rather than actually LISTENING to what some of us are saying.

I don't make points without facts or reason. I may have asked some questions, to get to a point. There is obviously something here, so if I can absorb that, then I will feel comfortable making a point.

WJCO
01-10-2016, 11:07 PM
Its all moot. Everybody seems to have a large large penis here, or they are a bunch of children..

Large penis here.

arisythila
01-10-2016, 11:15 PM
Large penis here.

LOL... Wahoo! :clap2:

MR.Ty
01-10-2016, 11:15 PM
181695
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Hot94Z28
01-10-2016, 11:16 PM
Large penis here.

Thought this was fitting

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chipper
01-10-2016, 11:19 PM
181697
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WJCO
01-10-2016, 11:20 PM
181695
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Lol....Funny as this is, where the hell do you find a picture like that ?!?! :cheesy:

Hot94Z28
01-10-2016, 11:23 PM
Thought this was fitting cause you know reading comprehension
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MR.Ty
01-10-2016, 11:26 PM
Lol....Funny as this is, where the hell do you find a picture like that ?!?! :cheesy:

I'm a part of some very interesting FB groups. :yup:

MedixJK
01-10-2016, 11:29 PM
Well this thread has finally fallen off the clif.... i knew it was only a matter of time before the memes came out. Kinda suprised Overlander didnt throw one out earlier on. Lol

DWiggles
01-10-2016, 11:30 PM
... I'm an mechanical/engineering guy...

I'm sorry, but you have already made it VERY clear that you are NOT a qualified engineer.

You MAY be "analytically minded". You may hold a job with "engineer" in the title. Hell, you may even have a formal degree in some aspect of engineering... none of that makes you an Engineer. Form your posts we are already positive you are not licensed, and I would bet heavily that you are not even designated EIT. Have you ever even heard of the FE exam?

Sorry if this is harsh, but it really chaps me that all these "engineers" first and formost can't/wont grasp simple concepts of mechanics (be you electrical/mechanical/civil/industiral/petroleum/chemical) it doesn't matter, the fact of the matter is guys like you always feel the need (and do infact) post "I am an engineer" as if that so how makes your lack of acceptance or acknowledgement in your own knowlege flaws some how acceptable...

A REAL Engineer KNOWS they don't know everything.

A REAL Engineer KNOWS what they KNOW, checks what they THINK, learns what they CAN, and MOST of all, accepts others advice/experience on things they DON'T know/understand. This is why you fail.

WJCO
01-10-2016, 11:36 PM
Give me the world and I'll leave...






Would have been cool to be a part of the community, and scene. But it is what it is. :-)




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arisythila
01-10-2016, 11:42 PM
I'm sorry, but you have already made it VERY clear that you are NOT a qualified engineer.

You MAY be "analytically minded". You may hold a job with "engineer" in the title. Hell, you may even have a formal degree in some aspect of engineering... none of that makes you an Engineer. Form your posts we are already positive you are not licensed, and I would bet heavily that you are not even designated EIT. Have you ever even heard of the FE exam?

Sorry if this is harsh, but it really chaps me that all these "engineers" first and formost can't/wont grasp simple concepts of mechanics (be you electrical/mechanical/civil/industiral/petroleum/chemical) it doesn't matter, the fact of the matter is guys like you always feel the need (and do infact) post "I am an engineer" as if that so how makes your lack of acceptance or acknowledgement in your own knowlege flaws some how acceptable...

A REAL Engineer KNOWS they don't know everything.

A REAL Engineer KNOWS what they KNOW, checks what they THINK, learns what they CAN, and MOST of all, accepts others advice/experience on things they DON'T know/understand. This is why you fail.

Oh its fine... No harm indeed. My brain works like an engineers brain. I am not college educated or anything matter a fact, I barely passed high school. Graduated with a 1.4 GPA.. Ohhra! .. My title does not have "engineering" in it at all to be honest. It should be baby sitter. Because that's all I truly do. I watch people, and help as needed.

I never said that I knew anything. I did on several occasions say that I came here to learn. I was met with "Your a fucking idiot". I am not sure who is more of a moron, the guy calling the other a moron, because he said he came here to learn, or the guy that came here to learn. It is what it is tho... This is your guys home, and you don't need me here.

This place reminds me of Pirate4x4... Again, Is what it is...

Thanks,

arisythila
01-10-2016, 11:43 PM
181727.......

Does that mean I cannot leave? hahahaha

mudmobeeler
01-10-2016, 11:47 PM
In my opinion this shocks are just stupid looking. That is all.

WJCO
01-10-2016, 11:49 PM
Oh its fine... No harm indeed. My brain works like an engineers brain. I am not college educated or anything matter a fact, I barely passed high school. Graduated with a 1.4 GPA.. Ohhra! .. My title does not have "engineering" in it at all to be honest. It should be baby sitter. Because that's all I truly do. I watch people, and help as needed.

I never said that I knew anything. I did on several occasions say that I came here to learn. I was met with "Your a fucking idiot". I am not sure who is more of a moron, the guy calling the other a moron, because he said he came here to learn, or the guy that came here to learn. It is what it is tho... This is your guys home, and you don't need me here.

This place reminds me of Pirate4x4... Again, Is what it is...

Thanks,

Here's the deal. This is coming from me, who is 100% ignorant of coil overs and shock travel, which is why I didn't involve myself in the technical aspects of the conversation here....you just installed a kit and as pointed out, haven't even road-tested it or put some time on it. MANY other members here run coil-overs and have TONS of shock travel experience. I would suggest taking their advice.

EDIT: And yes I realize we are not dealing with a coil-over setup. But travel is travel...that's what I'm getting at.

wayoflife
01-10-2016, 11:52 PM
I thought with the image you created you showed the lower end of the shock, and said it didn't do anything.

Think about it for a second. IF the lower shock shaft that you see were just a fixed post attached to the bottom of your shock, how would that effect the amount of vertical travel you have?

arisythila
01-11-2016, 12:00 AM
Here's the deal. This is coming from me, who is 100% ignorant of coil overs and shock travel, which is why I didn't involve myself in the technical aspects of the conversation here....you just installed a kit and as pointed out, haven't even road-tested it or put some time on it. MANY other members here run coil-overs and have TONS of shock travel experience. I would suggest taking their advice.

Nobody has given any advice, only made insults it seems.. I've asked questions, and was met with "Your a fucking idiot". Outstanding!

Eddie was the only one that tried to clear some air when I assume when I said about the 16 inches of shock travel. When he was talking about axle travel. When I tried to pick his brain for his knowledge I was met with more insults. "LET ME SLOW IT DOWN FOR YOU SINCE ENGLISH OBVIOUSLY ISNT YOUR FIRST LANGUAGE".... Ummm ok... I am not your child... Just tell me to get the fuck out... I'm perfectly happy with that...

It almost seemed like Eddie was trying to protect maybe some vendors he works closely with, and smash a product, that hes has never tested. It is what it is again.. As stated I don't know, Maybe this MetalCloak gear is complete POS! I haven't been on a trail with this rig yet.

I believe a lot of this was just miscommunication, No offense...

OverlanderJK
01-11-2016, 12:01 AM
Nobody has given any advice, only made insults it seems.. I've asked questions, and was met with "Your a fucking idiot". Outstanding!

Eddie was the only one that tried to clear some air when I assume when I said about the 16 inches of shock travel. When he was talking about axle travel. When I tried to pick his brain for his knowledge I was met with more insults. "LET ME SLOW IT DOWN FOR YOU SINCE ENGLISH OBVIOUSLY ISNT YOUR FIRST LANGUAGE".... Ummm ok... I am not your child... Just tell me to get the fuck out... I'm perfectly happy with that...

It almost seemed like Eddie was trying to protect maybe some vendors he works closely with, and smash a product, that hes has never tested. It is what it is again.. As stated I don't know, Maybe this MetalCloak gear is complete POS! I haven't been on a trail with this rig yet.

I believe a lot of this was just miscommunication, No offense...

Correction, I said you were a fucking retard not and idiot.

You came here to troll so just get lost.

arisythila
01-11-2016, 12:05 AM
Think about it for a second. IF the lower shock shaft that you see were just a fixed post attached to the bottom of your shock, how would that effect the amount of vertical travel you have?

The lower shock shaft is not fixed. It's fluid. It moves in and out at the same rate/distance like the top one does.

Now I only have experience with IFS systems. I've build several race cars, for road racing, and autocross.

From what I noticed with the IFS systems, that your shock held the springs in. Meaning my downward vertical travel would be hindered by it. Remove the bottom or the top of the shock, and you could get more room in there. I would normally remove the shock, so I could push the arm down, and change the springs out. If I wanted different ft/lb rating springs.

It appears that its not the same on Jeeps which is fine.

Thanks Eddie,

Hot94Z28
01-11-2016, 12:08 AM
Nobody has given any advice, only made insults it seems.. I've asked questions, and was met with "Your a fucking idiot". Outstanding!

Eddie was the only one that tried to clear some air when I assume when I said about the 16 inches of shock travel. When he was talking about axle travel. When I tried to pick his brain for his knowledge I was met with more insults. "LET ME SLOW IT DOWN FOR YOU SINCE ENGLISH OBVIOUSLY ISNT YOUR FIRST LANGUAGE".... Ummm ok... I am not your child... Just tell me to get the fuck out... I'm perfectly happy with that...

It almost seemed like Eddie was trying to protect maybe some vendors he works closely with, and smash a product, that hes has never tested. It is what it is again.. As stated I don't know, Maybe this MetalCloak gear is complete POS! I haven't been on a trail with this rig yet.

I believe a lot of this was just miscommunication, No offense...

To be serious I thought English was not your first language.

OverlanderJK
01-11-2016, 12:09 AM
The lower shock shaft is not fixed. It's fluid. It moves in and out at the same rate/distance like the top one does.

Now I only have experience with IFS systems. I've build several race cars, for road racing, and autocross.

From what I noticed with the IFS systems, that your shock held the springs in. Meaning my downward vertical travel would be hindered by it. Remove the bottom or the top of the shock, and you could get more room in there. I would normally remove the shock, so I could push the arm down, and change the springs out. If I wanted different ft/lb rating springs.

It appears that its not the same on Jeeps which is fine.

Thanks Eddie,

I thought you were leaving?

wayoflife
01-11-2016, 12:10 AM
It almost seemed like Eddie was trying to protect maybe some vendors he works closely with, and smash a product, that hes has never tested.

:cheesy: Oh yeah, that's gotta be it. You don't like what I have to say so clearly, I'm "smashing a product" in an effort to "protect" a vendor that I work closely with. :crazyeyes:


The lower shock shaft is not fixed. It's fluid. It moves in and out at the same rate/distance like the top one does.

Yes, but that's only because of the gimmicky design. The question is, does it really need to be a shaft that moves at all? Here's a pic of what your shock could look like if only the top portion moved in and out.

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As you can see, you would STILL have the SAME amount of vertical travel with or without the bottom shock shaft. :naw:


Now I only have experience with IFS systems. I've build several race cars, for road racing, and autocross.

Wow, first you were an engineer and then you weren't. Now you've built race cars for road racing and autocross... Do tell more :daydream:

JAGS
01-11-2016, 12:10 AM
I never said that I knew anything. I did on several occasions say that I came here to learn. I was met with "Your a fucking idiot". I am not sure who is more of a moron, the guy calling the other a moron, because he said he came here to learn, or the guy that came here to learn.

It doesn't appear you came here to learn. If you did, your first post wouldn't be to tout a kit you just barely installed and have since admitted you know nothing about. This being your first solid axle vehicle and lift and all.


It is what it is tho... This is your guys home, and you don't need me here.

You are correct. In fact none of us NEED to be here. We are here because we want to be, can take other people's opinions without getting bent (mostly [emoji6]).

I might also add that we are all here as guests and that those who come here thinking otherwise usually start on the wrong foot. And that is a hard place to recover from.


This place reminds me of Pirate4x4... Again, Is what it is...

Thanks,

Funny you should mention that. Most of the people that come here from that place are just like you. Maybe you need to find a more gentler forum???

Here's one:

http://mlparena.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=71oc6klg1u9igj4klc3ga8evf4&

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arisythila
01-11-2016, 12:10 AM
Barely passed high school. LOL. Now I have secretaries and doctor edit stuff for me.

arisythila
01-11-2016, 12:15 AM
:cheesy: Oh yeah, that's gotta be it. You don't like what I have to say so clearly, I'm "smashing a product" in an effort to "protect" a vendor that I work closely with. :crazyeyes:



Yes, but that's only because of the gimmicky design. The question is, does it really need to be a shaft that moves at all? Here's a pic of what your shock could look like if only the top portion moved in and out.

181737

As you can see, you would STILL have the SAME amount of vertical travel with or without the bottom shock shaft. :naw:

I see what you mean now. I will pay attention to that when I get out on a trail and see the articulation.

If I cannot max out the shock then t doesn't matter if it has 40" of travel. I will see if I can steal a forklift and give 'er the lift.

Thanks!

Hot94Z28
01-11-2016, 12:19 AM
Here's one:

http://mlparena.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=71oc6klg1u9igj4klc3ga8evf4&

181736

Damn, they have a forum for everything.

Hot94Z28
01-11-2016, 12:20 AM
Well yes there is,
http://www.experienceproject.com/groups/M-Butthurt/299316

dwvninety
01-11-2016, 12:21 AM
LOL. Now I have secretaries and doctor edit stuff for me.

So why didn't you have your doctor and secretaries (must be a badass to afford so many) install that lift you bought?

wayoflife
01-11-2016, 12:23 AM
I see what you mean now. I will pay attention to that when I get out on a trail and see the articulation.

If I cannot max out the shock then t doesn't matter if it has 40" of travel. I will see if I can steal a forklift and give 'er the lift.

Thanks!

:cheesy: No, I don't think you do get it now. What I'm saying is that you don't need a set of gimmicky $400 (a piece) shocks to give you the amount of true vertical travel that your lift kit provides. Hell, if you reconnect your track bar and lower control arms, I can almost guarantee that you'll see even LESS vertical travel thus making your shocks an even BIGGER WASTE of money for the amount of lift that you have.

arisythila
01-11-2016, 12:33 AM
So why didn't you have your doctor and secretaries (must be a badass to afford so many) install that lift you bought?

Their job isn't to do that... I did have the doctor purchase me a car one time tho... That was kind of cool... I just had to go in and sign, and write a check... However the car is in his name as well... LOL


:cheesy: No, I don't think you do get it now. What I'm saying is that you don't need a set of gimmicky $400 (a piece) shocks to give you the amount of true vertical travel that your lift kit provides. Hell, if you reconnect your track bar and lower control arms, I can almost guarantee that you'll see even LESS vertical travel thus making your shocks an even BIGGER WASTE of money for the amount of lift that you have.

Correct. Like I said, I understand what your saying... Your shocks only matter if the suspension is setup to take advantage of them. While shocks do help sometimes, they will only help at the minimum and the maximum points, if your suspension, cannot max them out, then you've just wasted a lot of cash.. I more than likely could have just went with the OME's or Rock Sports and gotten the same travel.

My trackbar, lower, and upper control arms were connected in that picture. I can gain 3-4 inches on the bump stops possibly.. Depends on what I see, I went with the maximum of 4 inches, which I didn't have to do with the 35's I have for it. MetalCloak recommended 1 inch bump stops, but some people have reported using none.

wayoflife
01-11-2016, 12:36 AM
My trackbar, lower, and upper control arms were connected in that picture.

LOL!! I was just going to edit my post. I looked more closely and see that the factory lower control arm was just sitting on the ground. That being said, doesn't change anything else I've said regarding the shocks.

WJCO
01-11-2016, 12:40 AM
It almost seemed like Eddie was trying to protect maybe some vendors he works closely with, and smash a product, that hes has never tested.



Oh boy....here we go......please also tell us about all the free parts Eddie gets...

arisythila
01-11-2016, 12:42 AM
LOL!! I was just going to edit my post. I looked more closely and see that the factory lower control arm was just sitting on the ground. That being said, doesn't change anything else I've said regarding the shocks.

Yeah, I'll run some tests and hell if it was a waste of money hopefully we can at lease deter people from buying the expensive shocks, and but the cheaper kits. I was originally just going to go with the OME's and had just sold my 4runner for 5k, so I said screw it.

Went a little crazy buying stuff for this rig.. Probably should have done it a little slower, and paced, but didn't really mind. I missed out on a lot of trail time because of the sale of the runner. That thing was a beast, just wish it had a solid front axle.

arisythila
01-11-2016, 12:44 AM
Oh boy....here we go......please also tell us about all the free parts Eddie gets...

I see advertisements for some vendors. I am sure Eddie works closely with a few. I didn't say anything about "all the free parts Eddie gets". I don't care. I use to run a large forum, and I worked very closely with some vendors like CoolerMaster, SuperMicro, etc etc. I gave them advice, and helped them out, and when people came to the forums to bash them. I'd try to turn the conversation around. That's what I got paid for. I did get some random cool things, but the parties were better... hehe :-)

wayoflife
01-11-2016, 12:49 AM
Yeah, I'll run some tests and hell if it was a waste of money hopefully we can at lease deter people from buying the expensive shocks, and but the cheaper kits. I was originally just going to go with the OME's and had just sold my 4runner for 5k, so I said screw it.

Went a little crazy buying stuff for this rig.. Probably should have done it a little slower, and paced, but didn't really mind. I missed out on a lot of trail time because of the sale of the runner. That thing was a beast, just wish it had a solid front axle.

So that it isn't missed, I don't have a problem with expensive shocks IF I think they are worth it. I have just found the Metal Cloak 6-pack shocks to be gimmicky at best and for the cost, you're about half way to a good set of coil overs. From what I have seen on the trail, they don't do much for absorbing big hits and most people have had to have them replaced and on more than one occasion due to leaks and other problems. Of course, bringing this full circle, my only point was to clarify the difference between "shock travel" and true "vertical travel" as they are NOT the same thing. Just because you have a lot of shock travel doesn't mean you'll have the same amount of vertical travel.

aaronstephen
01-11-2016, 12:50 AM
Why does this forum seem to always draw this kind of useless conversation. Seems like some people have way too much time on their hands.

wayoflife
01-11-2016, 12:52 AM
I see advertisements for some vendors. I am sure Eddie works closely with a few. I didn't say anything about "all the free parts Eddie gets". I don't care. I use to run a large forum, and I worked very closely with some vendors like CoolerMaster, SuperMicro, etc etc. I gave them advice, and helped them out, and when people came to the forums to bash them. I'd try to turn the conversation around. That's what I got paid for. I did get some random cool things, but the parties were better... hehe :-)

LOL!! On top of everything else, you've also run a "large forum"?? :clap2:

Well my friend, this is far from a "large forum" and just because you chose to run yours how you saw fit doesn't mean that I run mine the way you did.

arisythila
01-11-2016, 12:55 AM
So that it isn't missed, I don't have a problem with expensive shocks IF I think they are worth it. I have just found the Metal Cloak 6-pack shocks to be gimmicky at best and for the cost, you're about half way to a good set of coil overs. From what I have seen on the trail, they don't do much for absorbing big hits and most people have had to have them replaced and on more than one occasion due to leaks and other problems. Of course, bringing this full circle, my only point was to clarify the difference between "shock travel" and true "vertical travel" as they are NOT the same thing. Just because you have a lot of shock travel doesn't mean you'll have the same amount of vertical travel.

I agree with you 100%. I hope I didn't waste a load of cash, so only getting this thing on a trail, or doing some sort of benchmark on it would be best to see if it even uses the full range of motion that it has available, and like you said if it doesn't I just threw away quite a bit of cash.

Shock travel != Vertical travel.

I will keep you posted as I know more. Again hopefully if someone goes with MetalCloak we can deter them from making a huge mistake of buying expensive shocks that they cannot even fully utilize.

Thanks Eddie!

arisythila
01-11-2016, 12:58 AM
LOL!! On top of everything else, you've also run a "large forum"?? :clap2:

Well my friend, this is far from a "large forum" and just because you chose to run yours how you saw fit doesn't mean that I run mine the way you did.

Not anymore... It's been ages. I let it die about 4-5 years ago, when my business started picking up greatly. (2010-2011). I had to dedicated my free time on keeping things going while I was hiring staff and stuff. Up to 36 employees now.

I am not saying that you run your business how I ran my business. But to run a forum has quite a bit of advantages. I had people kicking down my door to help them... Free drinks, lunches, etc etc.

Now I got to take people out for drinks, and lunches... Oh how things have changed.

OverlanderJK
01-11-2016, 01:01 AM
Fuck off already!

Zstairlessone
01-11-2016, 01:02 AM
Eddie knows more about suspensions than I will ever know, and certainly doesn't need anyone helping to explain what he says about them but look at this....

1: Take your shocks off your jeep
2: with the rest of the components hooked up jack the axle as far up as it will go
3: lower the axle as far as it will go (without letting the spring come out of its perch)
4: measure the distance it moved
5: subtract that number from your "Vertical travel" number

The result is the amount of shock travel wasted because your shock doesn't determine up travel or down travel limits unless it is too long (up) or too short (down)

All he tried to tell you (that you still won't listen to) is the available travel based on the picture, which seems to show the springs at slightly more than full extension (loose in the cups) all the travel you can get is the measurable distance between the bumps - no more, and that this distance is almost exactly the length of the top half of the shock so all the travel afforded by the bottom (or half this travel from each of the top and bottom combined if you want to be pissy about it) is all you can get.

No you are not an engineer, engineers listen when an expert tries to show or tell them something. Especially when pictures are provided.

arisythila
01-11-2016, 01:02 AM
Fuck off already!

Ahhh. I love you too!

arisythila
01-11-2016, 01:06 AM
Eddie knows more about suspensions than I will ever know, and certainly doesn't need anyone helping to explain what he says about them but look at this....

1: Take your shocks off your jeep
2: with the rest of the components hooked up jack the axle as far up as it will go
3: lower the axle as far as it will go (without letting the spring come out of its perch)
4: measure the distance it moved
5: subtract that number from your "Vertical travel" number

The result is the amount of shock travel wasted because your shock doesn't determine up travel or down travel limits unless it is too long (up) or too short (down)

All he tried to tell you (that you still won't listen to) is the available travel based on the picture, which seems to show the springs at slightly more than full extension (loose in the cups) all the travel you can get is the measurable distance between the bumps - no more, and that this distance is almost exactly the length of the top half of the shock so all the travel afforded by the bottom (or half this travel from each of the top and bottom combined if you want to be pissy about it) is all you can get.

No you are not an engineer, engineers listen when an expert tries to show or tell them something. Especially when pictures are provided.

Thanks for the advice, I will try the steps above.

Eddie, and myself are in complete agreement, and I understand what he was talking about 100%.

10frank9
01-11-2016, 01:07 AM
You're still here?
:hmm::idontknow:

JAGS
01-11-2016, 01:09 AM
Not anymore... It's been ages. I let it die about 4-5 years ago, when my business started picking up greatly. (2010-2011). I had to dedicated my free time on keeping things going while I was hiring staff and stuff. Up to 36 employees now.

I am not saying that you run your business how I ran my business. But to run a forum has quite a bit of advantages. I had people kicking down my door to help them... Free drinks, lunches, etc etc.

Now I got to take people out for drinks, and lunches... Oh how things have changed.

181741

Are you liquid for 100k?? We've seen your types come and go faster than you can tap your Apple Pay button. Just keep digging your hole here cool guy.

Way to introduce yourself with some humility. You've proved to be a dick.

arisythila
01-11-2016, 01:10 AM
You're still here?
:hmm::idontknow:

Mixed signals...

"Were not telling you to leave..."

We are just telling you to fuck off, and consistently asking if your still here...

arisythila
01-11-2016, 01:12 AM
181741

Are you liquid for 100k?? We've seen your types come and go faster than you can tap your Apple Pay button. Just keep digging your hole here cool guy.

Way to introduce yourself with some humility. You've proved to be a dick.

Liquid for 100k? None of your business. I do ok... :-)

Not sure how... You guys have been more harsh towards me than I have ever even attempted to be towards you...

Are you guys more liberal leaning here on this forum?

OverlanderJK
01-11-2016, 01:16 AM
Mixed signals...

"Were not telling you to leave..."

We are just telling you to fuck off, and consistently asking if your still here...

Pretty sure everyone has told you to fuck off and leave.

10frank9
01-11-2016, 01:16 AM
Liquid for 100k? None of your business. I do ok... :-)

Not sure how... You guys have been more harsh towards me than I have ever even attempted to be towards you...

Are you guys more liberal leaning here on this forum?

You don't accept advice. You argue your point instead.

Perhaps Pirate IS a better place for you. Full of know it alls there.

Liberal? Not sure what that has to do with anything. Are you related to that Dentist from Texas with the shiny immaculate black Jeep?

JAGS
01-11-2016, 01:20 AM
Liquid for 100k? None of your business. I do ok... :-)

Not sure how... You guys have been more harsh towards me than I have ever even attempted to be towards you...

Are you guys more liberal leaning here on this forum?

Oh, so you'll share penis size, your profession, the jobs you have, all the free shit you've been given, how you ran a forum, how many direct reports, and who's purchased a vehicle for you, but an actual dollar amount is drawing the line. LMAO.

We're not being harsh, you just have zero respect and credibility here based on YOUR own posts.

I don't know what "liberal" means these days. We mostly lean towards NOT acting like a douche. Or at least tapping the brakes when someone suggests as much.

arisythila
01-11-2016, 01:21 AM
You don't accept advice. You argue your point instead.

Perhaps Pirate IS a better place for you. Full of know it alls there.

Liberal? Not sure what that has to do with anything. Are you related to that Dentist from Texas with the shiny immaculate black Jeep?

Accept advice? To leave? I also never argued... I asked questions...

I'm good Pirate4x4 is bad... They attack you there for asking questions there too.

I tend to not get along with Liberals. We just do not mesh together... They have this sense of self entitlement. They are owed something... They are superior.

Hot94Z28
01-11-2016, 01:23 AM
Dude..........

181746

10frank9
01-11-2016, 01:26 AM
Accept advice? To leave? I also never argued... I asked questions...

I'm good Pirate4x4 is bad... They attack you there for asking questions there too.

I tend to not get along with Liberals. We just do not mesh together... They have this sense of self entitlement. They are owed something... They are superior.

No one asked you to leave. You inferred several times you were done, yet you are still here. Not sure why you would stick around almost like you have a sense of self-entitlement, like you are owed something.... Weird. In any case, this forum is best suited for those who actually want to learn and want to share experience they have with this community.

Hot94Z28
01-11-2016, 01:27 AM
Here is another one
181748

arisythila
01-11-2016, 01:28 AM
Oh, so you'll share penis size, your profession, the jobs you have, all the free shit you've been given, how you ran a forum, how many direct reports, and who's purchased a vehicle for you, but an actual dollar amount is drawing the line. LMAO.

We're not being harsh, you just have zero respect and credibility here based on YOUR own posts.

I don't know what "liberal" means these days. We mostly lean towards NOT acting like a douche. Or at least tapping the brakes when someone suggests as much.

See I feel the same with you guys.... You guys think I came here to troll, when that was not the intention until Eddie jumped on me for saying Shock travel. Then all of his minions jumped on me as well. Sort of sad honestly.. I did get a few private messages tho, so that was cool. Maybe able to meet up with some locals and hit some trails.

Penis, profession, jobs that i've done, define me. Does the amount of cash I have in my pocket make me? Does it define me? Currency is meaningless. If I tell you that I am liquid to 1.3 million dollars will that make you wub me more?

I wish it was different, but its not. Maybe one of these days we can all look past this and laugh about it..

OverlanderJK
01-11-2016, 01:33 AM
See I feel the same with you guys.... You guys think I came here to troll, when that was not the intention until Eddie jumped on me for saying Shock travel. Then all of his minions jumped on me as well. Sort of sad honestly.. I did get a few private messages tho, so that was cool. Maybe able to meet up with some locals and hit some trails.

Penis, profession, jobs that i've done, define me. Does the amount of cash I have in my pocket make me? Does it define me? Currency is meaningless. If I tell you that I am liquid to 1.3 million dollars will that make you wub me more?

I wish it was different, but its not. Maybe one of these days we can all look past this and laugh about it..

I went ahead and undeleted this.

WJCO
01-11-2016, 01:34 AM
I was holding back, but it's about that time....the wrath will be unleashed.............

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MR.Ty
01-11-2016, 01:36 AM
I love it when they try to edit their posts. :rolleyes:

JAGS
01-11-2016, 01:37 AM
See I feel the same with you guys.... You guys think I came here to troll, when that was not the intention until Eddie jumped on me for saying Shock travel. Then all of his minions jumped on me as well. Sort of sad honestly.. I did get a few private messages tho, so that was cool. Maybe able to meet up with some locals and hit some trails.

Penis, profession, jobs that i've done, define me. Does the amount of cash I have in my pocket make me? Does it define me? Currency is meaningless. If I tell you that I am liquid to 1.3 million dollars will that make you wub me more?

I wish it was different, but its not. Maybe one of these days we can all look past this and laugh about it..

I feel sorry for you that all those "things" define you.

MedixJK
01-11-2016, 01:46 AM
Liquid for 100k? None of your business.
Yea? You seem to bring up your lavish lifestyle every couple of posts.

Hot94Z28
01-11-2016, 01:50 AM
Well then
181767
181769
181770

Hot94Z28
01-11-2016, 01:55 AM
Yep some more
181771
181772
181773

olram30
01-11-2016, 02:03 AM
I missed this fantastic thread. Missed the "write up" all I see is "thanks".

Hot94Z28
01-11-2016, 02:06 AM
I missed this fantastic thread. Missed the "write up" all I see is "thanks".

Well that's a damn shame.

swampdog
01-11-2016, 02:23 AM
Great stuff guys. I think I'll go with the Metalcloak...SMH

MTG
01-11-2016, 02:28 AM
WTF did I just read? :idontknow:

swampdog
01-11-2016, 02:30 AM
WTF did I just read? :idontknow:

Hahahaha, I'm with you man.

wayoflife
01-11-2016, 02:31 AM
I missed this fantastic thread. Missed the "write up" all I see is "thanks".

Yeah, I was just notified of that. I went through and restored all his posts. :rolleyes2:

olram30
01-11-2016, 02:33 AM
Yeah, I was just notified of that. I went through and restored all his posts. :rolleyes2:

Awesome, now I can catch up

ncbmx64
01-11-2016, 02:43 AM
Think someone could use these....

181782

WJCO
01-11-2016, 02:58 AM
Think someone could use these....

181782

Looks like he'll be ok now. He found a new friend to comfort him:

181786

Hot94Z28
01-11-2016, 03:56 AM
Looks like he'll be ok now. He found a new friend to comfort him:

181786

He was the one that started it here, talking about his penis size, moronic brain, liquid for 1.3 million, then talking about Eddie's minions and how he is catering to the venders.


I think there is a "fuck with way of life" starter pack cause it's the same shit each time one of these fuck tards come to start shit. And that's what his intention was to come and start shit cause he knew exactly what to say to get everyone on him for being an idiot.

10frank9
01-11-2016, 04:00 AM
When someone makes their first post on this site a "write up" of their expensive paper weights when they haven't even DRIVEN on them.

1. They are a troll
2. Someone might have put them up to it
3. They are looking to get hammered
4. They are a troll
5. See #1 and #4

Hot94Z28
01-11-2016, 04:11 AM
When someone makes their first post on this site a "write up" of their expensive paper weights when they haven't even DRIVEN on them.

1. They are a troll
2. Someone might have put them up to it
3. They are looking to get hammered
4. They are a troll
5. See #1 and #4

I thought the dead giveaway was him talking about his penis size.

JAGS
01-11-2016, 04:20 AM
When someone makes their first post on this site a "write up" of their expensive paper weights when they haven't even DRIVEN on them.

1. They are a troll
2. Someone might have put them up to it
3. They are looking to get hammered
4. They are a troll
5. See #1 and #4

So true on all accounts. [emoji106]

And his "friend" on whatever other site it was is about as dumb as that guy. I thought Eddie gave a pretty good, non smart ass, response. The rest of us were just more unfiltered. Doesn't mean we were wrong though?

aldaman
01-11-2016, 04:32 AM
When someone makes their first post on this site a "write up" of their expensive paper weights when they haven't even DRIVEN on them.

1. They are a troll
2. Someone might have put them up to it
3. They are looking to get hammered
4. They are a troll
5. See #1 and #4

Hopefully, he ends up doing this....

181797 "Word" :crazyeyes:

DWiggles
01-11-2016, 04:41 AM
I think there is a "fuck with way of life" starter pack cause it's the same shit each time one of these fuck tards come to start shit.

This is what I was thinking

Pyro1415
01-11-2016, 05:05 AM
Oh its fine... No harm indeed. My brain works like an engineers brain. I am not college educated or anything matter a fact, I barely passed high school. Graduated with a 1.4 GPA.. Ohhra! .. My title does not have "engineering" in it at all to be honest. It should be baby sitter. Because that's all I truly do. I watch people, and help as needed.

I never said that I knew anything. I did on several occasions say that I came here to learn. I was met with "Your a fucking idiot". I am not sure who is more of a moron, the guy calling the other a moron, because he said he came here to learn, or the guy that came here to learn. It is what it is tho... This is your guys home, and you don't need me here.

This place reminds me of Pirate4x4... Again, Is what it is...

Thanks,

This is where I stopped reading my fellow small penis brother. 2 inches here. Any who I had the same understanding as you and several things limit travel and can bind so it's not just shocks. Guess everyone thought you had already known that.

dwvninety
01-11-2016, 05:15 AM
........
181803

USMMA11NC
01-11-2016, 01:52 PM
I'm sorry, but you have already made it VERY clear that you are NOT a qualified engineer.

You MAY be "analytically minded". You may hold a job with "engineer" in the title. Hell, you may even have a formal degree in some aspect of engineering... none of that makes you an Engineer. Form your posts we are already positive you are not licensed, and I would bet heavily that you are not even designated EIT. Have you ever even heard of the FE exam?

Sorry if this is harsh, but it really chaps me that all these "engineers" first and formost can't/wont grasp simple concepts of mechanics (be you electrical/mechanical/civil/industiral/petroleum/chemical) it doesn't matter, the fact of the matter is guys like you always feel the need (and do infact) post "I am an engineer" as if that so how makes your lack of acceptance or acknowledgement in your own knowlege flaws some how acceptable...

A REAL Engineer KNOWS they don't know everything.

A REAL Engineer KNOWS what they KNOW, checks what they THINK, learns what they CAN, and MOST of all, accepts others advice/experience on things they DON'T know/understand. This is why you fail.

As an engineer, I love that last paragraph. I'm going to borrow that. :beer:

MedixJK
01-11-2016, 02:19 PM
When someone makes their first post on this site a "write up" of their expensive paper weights when they haven't even DRIVEN on them.

1. They are a troll
2. Someone might have put them up to it
3. They are looking to get hammered
4. They are a troll
5. See #1 and #4

Im a firm believer in numbers 1, 4 & 5

DWiggles
01-11-2016, 02:27 PM
As an engineer, I love that last paragraph. I'm going to borrow that. :beer:

The real ones around here are so far and few between every other swinging dick "engineer" it's rediculus. If someone is going to lie about their own profession, why is it always "engineering"? Why not be astronauts, or surgeons, or some other "well respected discipline" that isn't so OBVIOUSLY falsified by violating the Engineering Code of Ethics?

Lil Nasty
01-11-2016, 03:12 PM
181820

I can follow this flowchart. I too must be an Engineer.

No. No sorry I'm really not. Sorry for misleading you.

I'm just a lowly Cerebral Engineer (AKA I mind f**K people). :daydream::evil snicker:

DWiggles
01-11-2016, 03:43 PM
181829

181828

10

scull20
01-11-2016, 04:07 PM
As an engineer, I love that last paragraph. I'm going to borrow that. :beer:

Amen! (10 Characters)

rinkishjk
01-11-2016, 05:03 PM
What the hell did I just read? 😩

WJCO
01-11-2016, 05:25 PM
I guess he had to change his avatar before he left..

DWiggles
01-11-2016, 06:38 PM
I guess he had to change his avatar before he left..

:eek: NSFW lmao :thumb:

kpig
01-11-2016, 07:15 PM
I started with the game changer kit and figured I would give an update. I've been through two sets of 6pak shocks. They are nice but require more frequent inspection for loss of nitrogen. The travel figures are accurate, but the increase in travel is in unusable compression. I say unusable because a 37" tire hits the fender well before bottoming out the shock. I'm now running Rancho 9000 with 3" bumpstops and max out the shock using all but 1/4" before compressing the bumps metal to metal. Ironically, I have more useable travel because the ranchos compress the same due to physical limits of tire to fender but have a longer overall length. When I ran the 6 pak shocks, I used longer heim jointed ends to gain more useable droop travel. However the complexity of the shocks became an issue eventually. I am happy with the arms and brake lines, which is all I have left from the original kit. Springs changed to 4" Evo Plush with same overall length as the dual rate coils, so no issues unseating coils. Trackbars were replaced due to bushings walking out of the mounts. Metalcloak offered to sell me new updated ones. Thanks a lot. Went back to stock front trackbar with Evo drag link flip. With the additional droop travel, the stock drag link would bind a bit.

Metalcloak game changer is nice but for my needs, only the arms were of use in the end. For the type of maintenance required for the performance gains of the 6pak shocks, I think the $$$$ would be better spent on a set of bolt on coilovers.

Just my :twocents:

WJCO
01-11-2016, 07:20 PM
I started with the game changer kit and figured I would give an update. I've been through two sets of 6pak shocks. They are nice but require more frequent inspection for loss of nitrogen. The travel figures are accurate, but the increase in travel is in unusable compression. I say unusable because a 37" tire hits the fender well before bottoming out the shock. I'm now running Rancho 9000 with 3" bumpstops and max out the shock using all but 1/4" before compressing the bumps metal to metal. Ironically, I have more useable travel because the ranchos compress the same due to physical limits of tire to fender but have a longer overall length. When I ran the 6 pak shocks, I used longer heim jointed ends to gain more useable droop travel. However the complexity of the shocks became an issue eventually. I am happy with the arms and brake lines, which is all I have left from the original kit. Springs changed to 4" Evo Plush with same overall length as the dual rate coils, so no issues unseating coils. Trackbars were replaced due to bushings walking out of the mounts. Metalcloak offered to sell me new updated ones. Thanks a lot. Went back to stock front trackbar with Evo drag link flip. With the additional droop travel, the stock drag link would bind a bit.

Metalcloak game changer is nice but for my needs, only the arms were of use in the end. For the type of maintenance required for the performance gains of the 6pak shocks, I think the $$$$ would be better spent on a set of bolt on coilovers.

Just my :twocents:

Thanks for sharing your experience. You live, you learn. We all do.

rinkishjk
01-11-2016, 07:25 PM
I started with the game changer kit and figured I would give an update. I've been through two sets of 6pak shocks. They are nice but require more frequent inspection for loss of nitrogen. The travel figures are accurate, but the increase in travel is in unusable compression. I say unusable because a 37" tire hits the fender well before bottoming out the shock. I'm now running Rancho 9000 with 3" bumpstops and max out the shock using all but 1/4" before compressing the bumps metal to metal. Ironically, I have more useable travel because the ranchos compress the same due to physical limits of tire to fender but have a longer overall length. When I ran the 6 pak shocks, I used longer heim jointed ends to gain more useable droop travel. However the complexity of the shocks became an issue eventually. I am happy with the arms and brake lines, which is all I have left from the original kit. Springs changed to 4" Evo Plush with same overall length as the dual rate coils, so no issues unseating coils. Trackbars were replaced due to bushings walking out of the mounts. Metalcloak offered to sell me new updated ones. Thanks a lot. Went back to stock front trackbar with Evo drag link flip. With the additional droop travel, the stock drag link would bind a bit.

Metalcloak game changer is nice but for my needs, only the arms were of use in the end. For the type of maintenance required for the performance gains of the 6pak shocks, I think the $$$$ would be better spent on a set of bolt on coilovers.

Just my :twocents:

Thanks for posting up your experience. So their R&D department should take advice from the marketing department. What u said about your experience doesn't surprise me at all.

mudmobeeler
01-11-2016, 10:17 PM
The real ones aroundWhy not be astronauts, or surgeons, or some other "well respected discipline" that isn't so OBVIOUSLY falsified by violating the Engineering Code of Ethics?

Im an astronaut.

WJCO
01-11-2016, 10:18 PM
Im an astronaut.

I run an astronaut training academy.

MR.Ty
01-11-2016, 10:29 PM
I run an astronaut training academy.

PM sent!!!!!!

DWiggles
01-11-2016, 10:42 PM
Im an astronaut.

How is the wheelin' in space? :)



I run an astronaut training academy.

Sweet! :thumbs:

Ddays
01-11-2016, 11:10 PM
I sold $1.4 million worth of chips on Craigslist last year

kpig
01-11-2016, 11:28 PM
I LIKE TURTLES :drool:

mudmobeeler
01-12-2016, 12:35 AM
How is the wheelin' in space? :)


It's light wheeling.


I sold $1.4 million worth of chips on Craigslist last year

BS! Lol.


I LIKE TURTLES :drool:

I have a goldfish.

Frogmech
01-12-2016, 01:20 AM
How is the wheelin' in space? :)


http://youtu.be/lBk878H3ZzY

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RMC2
01-12-2016, 03:52 AM
I'm an astronaut (in my dreams)

My suspension vertical travel is 22" (on my 22" travel jack)

I'm liquid for $1.4 billion (when I win the lottery)

dcm80401
01-12-2016, 03:09 PM
I started with the game changer kit and figured I would give an update. I've been through two sets of 6pak shocks. They are nice but require more frequent inspection for loss of nitrogen. The travel figures are accurate, but the increase in travel is in unusable compression. I say unusable because a 37" tire hits the fender well before bottoming out the shock. I'm now running Rancho 9000 with 3" bumpstops and max out the shock using all but 1/4" before compressing the bumps metal to metal. Ironically, I have more useable travel because the ranchos compress the same due to physical limits of tire to fender but have a longer overall length. When I ran the 6 pak shocks, I used longer heim jointed ends to gain more useable droop travel. However the complexity of the shocks became an issue eventually. I am happy with the arms and brake lines, which is all I have left from the original kit. Springs changed to 4" Evo Plush with same overall length as the dual rate coils, so no issues unseating coils. Trackbars were replaced due to bushings walking out of the mounts. Metalcloak offered to sell me new updated ones. Thanks a lot. Went back to stock front trackbar with Evo drag link flip. With the additional droop travel, the stock drag link would bind a bit.

Metalcloak game changer is nice but for my needs, only the arms were of use in the end. For the type of maintenance required for the performance gains of the 6pak shocks, I think the $$$$ would be better spent on a set of bolt on coilovers.

Just my :twocents:

Two sets (8) shocks - what was the problem with them? How much backspace do you run and what fenders do you have?

As far as the down travel goes, on my setup the after market driveshaft hits the cross member at droop. Had some issues with 4.5 " backspace, spacers fixed that until I get some beadlocks.

2" bumpstops with 37 KO2 (yes they are undersized). With MC fenders I could get by with 1 ". I have some friends with the six pack with MC fenders with true 37 running 1". Every rig is a little different.

If I had to do it over I would have gone with the MC fenders instead of PSC.

toxicwaste29
01-12-2016, 05:03 PM
How is the wheelin' in space? :)




Sweet! :thumbs:

Ask these guys. https://youtu.be/lBk878H3ZzY

Never mind I was beat to it

kpig
01-12-2016, 06:56 PM
Two sets (8) shocks - what was the problem with them? How much backspace do you run and what fenders do you have?

As far as the down travel goes, on my setup the after market driveshaft hits the cross member at droop. Had some issues with 4.5 " backspace, spacers fixed that until I get some beadlocks.

2" bumpstops with 37 KO2 (yes they are undersized). With MC fenders I could get by with 1 ". I have some friends with the six pack with MC fenders with true 37 running 1". Every rig is a little different.

If I had to do it over I would have gone with the MC fenders instead of PSC.

One set of shocks locked up. Metalcloak replaced them under warranty with a newer set with updated seals. No explanation was provided for why they locked up. The second set became inconsistent from one shock to another.

I'm running 3.5" backspace ATX Slabs with 37" Toyos (13.5" wide) with Genright flat fenders. I'm running Evo 4" coils instead of the Metalcloak dual rate so I am running 3" bumpstop. 2" bump and wider track width allowed too much rubbing on the fenders at full compression when articulating. My crossmember is still there; however, the small skid that runs in front of the crossmember was removed. No issues.

DWiggles
01-12-2016, 07:17 PM
http://youtu.be/lBk878H3ZzY

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lolz so... how was it?? use your words... :beer::clap2:

dcm80401
01-12-2016, 07:33 PM
One set of shocks locked up. Metalcloak replaced them under warranty with a newer set with updated seals. No explanation was provided for why they locked up. The second set became inconsistent from one shock to another.

I'm running 3.5" backspace ATX Slabs with 37" Toyos (13.5" wide) with Genright flat fenders. I'm running Evo 4" coils instead of the Metalcloak dual rate so I am running 3" bumpstop. 2" bump and wider track width allowed too much rubbing on the fenders at full compression when articulating. My crossmember is still there; however, the small skid that runs in front of the crossmember was removed. No issues.

I see. Thanks

RCSRubi
01-13-2016, 01:11 AM
I started with the game changer kit and figured I would give an update. I've been through two sets of 6pak shocks. They are nice but require more frequent inspection for loss of nitrogen. The travel figures are accurate, but the increase in travel is in unusable compression. I say unusable because a 37" tire hits the fender well before bottoming out the shock. I'm now running Rancho 9000 with 3" bumpstops and max out the shock using all but 1/4" before compressing the bumps metal to metal. Ironically, I have more useable travel because the ranchos compress the same due to physical limits of tire to fender but have a longer overall length. When I ran the 6 pak shocks, I used longer heim jointed ends to gain more useable droop travel. However the complexity of the shocks became an issue eventually. I am happy with the arms and brake lines, which is all I have left from the original kit. Springs changed to 4" Evo Plush with same overall length as the dual rate coils, so no issues unseating coils. Trackbars were replaced due to bushings walking out of the mounts. Metalcloak offered to sell me new updated ones. Thanks a lot. Went back to stock front trackbar with Evo drag link flip. With the additional droop travel, the stock drag link would bind a bit.

Metalcloak game changer is nice but for my needs, only the arms were of use in the end. For the type of maintenance required for the performance gains of the 6pak shocks, I think the $$$$ would be better spent on a set of bolt on coilovers.

Just my :twocents:

May I ask why you switched out the springs? The metalcloak kit is on my short list of lifts I'm interested in. I total agree with what I've herd here about the 6 pack shocks not being worth the money. I've talked to a handful of guy who have run metalcloak and most all have given good feedback on the arms & springs though. I was considering running their kit with conventional shocks but if their springs aren't desirable either it looks like I can shorten the list.
Can u tell me what u didn't like about their springs or what u like about the Evo springs better?

kpig
01-13-2016, 04:56 AM
May I ask why you switched out the springs? The metalcloak kit is on my short list of lifts I'm interested in. I total agree with what I've herd here about the 6 pack shocks not being worth the money. I've talked to a handful of guy who have run metalcloak and most all have given good feedback on the arms & springs though. I was considering running their kit with conventional shocks but if their springs aren't desirable either it looks like I can shorten the list.
Can u tell me what u didn't like about their springs or what u like about the Evo springs better?

I wanted a bit more lift height especially in the front. The Metalcloak springs are kind of like a spring on a spacer created by the compressed soft rate. There was a noticeable rake to the front and I didn't want to put a spacer on a quasi spacer created by the soft rate spring. I like the Evo Plush coils and the length is the same as the metalcloak coils but with a level ride height. I have no regrets, but for the money, I would go bolt on coilovers. If you do go with Metalcloak, I would recommend any of the kits with Fox shocks instead of 6paks.

Listen to the guys here because this forum is more of a community for enthusiasts who use the stuff rather than a captive audience to market solely for the sponsors. So many are fans of EVO mostly because they know what works. After speaking with Mel Wade for a brief time, he makes a lot of sense with building a JK with reliability in mind. He builds mild to wild but still gets you home.

Hope this helps.

RCSRubi
01-13-2016, 10:35 AM
I wanted a bit more lift height especially in the front. The Metalcloak springs are kind of like a spring on a spacer created by the compressed soft rate. There was a noticeable rake to the front and I didn't want to put a spacer on a quasi spacer created by the soft rate spring. I like the Evo Plush coils and the length is the same as the metalcloak coils but with a level ride height. I have no regrets, but for the money, I would go bolt on coilovers. If you do go with Metalcloak, I would recommend any of the kits with Fox shocks instead of 6paks.

Listen to the guys here because this forum is more of a community for enthusiasts who use the stuff rather than a captive audience to market solely for the sponsors. So many are fans of EVO mostly because they know what works. After speaking with Mel Wade for a brief time, he makes a lot of sense with building a JK with reliability in mind. He builds mild to wild but still gets you home.

Hope this helps.

Yes it helps. I'm still in the saving $$ for my build stage and haven't settled on anything yet. My JK is my only vehicle and will be for some time. And I do make 2 hour interstate trips from time to time.

The wheeling we do locally isn't too extreme but I plan on expanding to more extreme places and events in the future.

duktrx
01-14-2016, 02:09 AM
Does anyone else that after reading this entire thread feel like they were stuck on the highway rubbernecking at the 17 car pileup in the other lane?
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