New blower option coming

[HighwayTrout]

Regardless of anything else going on in this thread.

I think it's rad that companies are still out there making speed equipment. Motor swaps, blowers, whatever floats your boat, I think it's awesome that options are available.

 

[jfallon1]

I can't help but agree. The support for the off road industry is awesome and the jk in particular.

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[SmokinV10]

I don't have time to read the "look at how much money I have" speech so I'll read it later.

There is no mindset or setting to judge when you can upgrade. I am saying you should use your rig before you say things like it doesn't have enough power.

If you want to drive it all on the street and show off how cool you are then more power to you. If you want to use your rig for what it is built for then you should read and listen to what people say who have witnessed things first hand.

But since I'm sure this supercharger will be the most expensive I'm sure it has to be the best. Clearly that is your way of thinking. Carry on.

Thats fine. I probably don't want to read the "i know how to wheel better than everyone so I know everything about engines" speech either. Who ever said that this was the most expensive blower? Far as I know, its not released and there isn't even pricing yet. Edelbrock blowers for LS sports cars are far from the most expensive but you're the wheeling expert and the so you must have known that.

You're right. All of us must be absolutely happy with the power outputs of our jeeps unless the sole use of our Jeeps is for climbing mount everest. Forget about all of the same guys who claim that they wheel and daily drive their jeeps every day. You've got to be going over the 30 mile rock garden planted on a 45 degree incline before we need a bit more power. Forget that F=MA and we have a shit ton of "M" and only a teeney weenie bit of "F". Physics no longer apply for Jeeps. "A" for everything else is excessive and we should be happy with what we got....unless we go wheeling 3 times a week in Johnson Valley.

Seems that you and a few others keep insinuating anything about my personal monetary situation. It was you that decided to make some comment on my build thread alleging some outlandish value of my Jeep. That wasn't me, that was you. Let me ask you this, who has the chip on their shoulder? There are those who are bitter about oil company profits and CEO salaries? Occupy Wall Street much? If so, maybe its your views that explain the fundamental differences between our points of view. I'm from Texas and I don't really understand a lot of you California types. Some great friends there, and definitely some great forum sponsors there that seem to have very differing views than yours...but theres a whole lot of left wing sentiment in those parts that seems to seep into every crevice of that state.

As far as how I use my rig, thats my business and mine only. I don't get to use it as much as I would like, but I also don't get to go on vacation, go hunting, go shooting, skiing, or even the movies as much as I would like. Thats life. Most of us have important obligations in life that should be placed in greater esteem than the whimsy of their hobbies. So even though I got my rig back from ORE in August and have had the opportunity to use it for its intended purpose far less than I would have liked, thats life. But that doesn't stop me from wanting to put better parts in the rig and I don't need a boulder covered incline to have an a-ha moment that ~7000lbs of rubber and steel shouldn't be powered by a 285hp V6. Whether you agree or not, I am sure that your forum supporters don't mind those of us who want to upgrade our rigs with what we think are the best parts....its a car guy thing. If you feel so strongly about it, I'd be happy to tell Mel, northridge and a few others that I changed my mind on my build plans next year because the moderators here told me to stop ordering their stuff cause I don't have time to use it to 100% of the rigs ability every other weekend.

 

[upnover]

I would just ignore him.

 

[Templar]

SmokinV10,

Thanks for posting this, 427 HP... wow :thumb: So this looks like a Roots supercharger which should have better torque than a centrifugal supercharger and better for off road applications, but I bet its going to be pricey. I look forward to seeing some numbers when it is released (both $$$ cost and performance)

Overall I am glad to see Edelbrock coming out with this product, the more competition for jeep performance, the better, especially on the supercharger side. All the money I have spent on my jeeps has first been spent on protection for my passengers, me, and my jeep, then off road performance second, and last has been performance. Funny, other than re-gearing and exhaust, I never have made it to the stage where I spent money on performance Hopefully this next build that will change. Either way, some guys build their jeeps for off road performance first and having that big hp, high torque of a v8 is pretty important, for me it is a luxury and if there is a good supercharger out there that Improves my life (and lowers my frustration level) on the street, and does not hurt my off road capability, I would be all over that like white on rice.

 

[OverlanderJK]

Thats fine. I probably don't want to read the "i know how to wheel better than everyone so I know everything about engines" speech either. Who ever said that this was the most expensive blower? Far as I know, its not released and there isn't even pricing yet. Edelbrock blowers for LS sports cars are far from the most expensive but you're the wheeling expert and the so you must have known that.

You're right. All of us must be absolutely happy with the power outputs of our jeeps unless the sole use of our Jeeps is for climbing mount everest. Forget about all of the same guys who claim that they wheel and daily drive their jeeps every day. You've got to be going over the 30 mile rock garden planted on a 45 degree incline before we need a bit more power. Forget that F=MA and we have a shit ton of "M" and only a teeney weenie bit of "F". Physics no longer apply for Jeeps. "A" for everything else is excessive and we should be happy with what we got....unless we go wheeling 3 times a week in Johnson Valley.

Seems that you and a few others keep insinuating anything about my personal monetary situation. It was you that decided to make some comment on my build thread alleging some outlandish value of my Jeep. That wasn't me, that was you. Let me ask you this, who has the chip on their shoulder? There are those who are bitter about oil company profits and CEO salaries? Occupy Wall Street much? If so, maybe its your views that explain the fundamental differences between our points of view. I'm from Texas and I don't really understand a lot of you California types. Some great friends there, and definitely some great forum sponsors there that seem to have very differing views than yours...but theres a whole lot of left wing sentiment in those parts that seems to seep into every crevice of that state.

As far as how I use my rig, thats my business and mine only. I don't get to use it as much as I would like, but I also don't get to go on vacation, go hunting, go shooting, skiing, or even the movies as much as I would like. Thats life. Most of us have important obligations in life that should be placed in greater esteem than the whimsy of their hobbies. So even though I got my rig back from ORE in August and have had the opportunity to use it for its intended purpose far less than I would have liked, thats life. But that doesn't stop me from wanting to put better parts in the rig and I don't need a boulder covered incline to have an a-ha moment that ~7000lbs of rubber and steel shouldn't be powered by a 285hp V6. Whether you agree or not, I am sure that your forum supporters don't mind those of us who want to upgrade our rigs with what we think are the best parts....its a car guy thing. If you feel so strongly about it, I'd be happy to tell Mel, northridge and a few others that I changed my mind on my build plans next year because the moderators here told me to stop ordering their stuff cause I don't have time to use it to 100% of the rigs ability every other weekend.

So much butthurt! Couple facts,

I am no where close to left wing. That's a dumb accusation. Funny nonetheless
Not bitter about anything. In fact a couple of my good friends have rigs similar to yours and these dumb conversations never come up.

Only other thing I will say is that the forum did in fact build your rig for. The reason your rig is like it is is because of the forum. I won't clutter up this thread anymore but if you want the facts I can surely provide them in another thread. :thumb:

 

[JaySC]

So much butthurt! Couple facts,

I am no where close to left wing. That's a dumb accusation. Funny nonetheless
Not bitter about anything. In fact a couple of my good friends have rigs similar to yours and these dumb conversations never come up.

Only other thing I will say is that the forum did in fact build your rig for. The reason your rig is like it is is because of the forum. I won't clutter up this thread anymore but if you want the facts I can surely provide them in another thread. :thumb:

you don't seem like a liberal at all. Not with that beard lol.

 

[OverlanderJK]

you don't seem like a liberal at all. Not with that beard lol.

It was posted on the interwebz that I'm a liberal so I must be.

 

[piginajeep]

Thats fine. I probably don't want to read the "i know how to wheel better than everyone so I know everything about engines" speech either. Who ever said that this was the most expensive blower? Far as I know, its not released and there isn't even pricing yet. Edelbrock blowers for LS sports cars are far from the most expensive but you're the wheeling expert and the so you must have known that.

You're right. All of us must be absolutely happy with the power outputs of our jeeps unless the sole use of our Jeeps is for climbing mount everest. Forget about all of the same guys who claim that they wheel and daily drive their jeeps every day. You've got to be going over the 30 mile rock garden planted on a 45 degree incline before we need a bit more power. Forget that F=MA and we have a shit ton of "M" and only a teeney weenie bit of "F". Physics no longer apply for Jeeps. "A" for everything else is excessive and we should be happy with what we got....unless we go wheeling 3 times a week in Johnson Valley.

Seems that you and a few others keep insinuating anything about my personal monetary situation. It was you that decided to make some comment on my build thread alleging some outlandish value of my Jeep. That wasn't me, that was you. Let me ask you this, who has the chip on their shoulder? There are those who are bitter about oil company profits and CEO salaries? Occupy Wall Street much? If so, maybe its your views that explain the fundamental differences between our points of view. I'm from Texas and I don't really understand a lot of you California types. Some great friends there, and definitely some great forum sponsors there that seem to have very differing views than yours...but theres a whole lot of left wing sentiment in those parts that seems to seep into every crevice of that state.

As far as how I use my rig, thats my business and mine only. I don't get to use it as much as I would like, but I also don't get to go on vacation, go hunting, go shooting, skiing, or even the movies as much as I would like. Thats life. Most of us have important obligations in life that should be placed in greater esteem than the whimsy of their hobbies. So even though I got my rig back from ORE in August and have had the opportunity to use it for its intended purpose far less than I would have liked, thats life. But that doesn't stop me from wanting to put better parts in the rig and I don't need a boulder covered incline to have an a-ha moment that ~7000lbs of rubber and steel shouldn't be powered by a 285hp V6. Whether you agree or not, I am sure that your forum supporters don't mind those of us who want to upgrade our rigs with what we think are the best parts....its a car guy thing. If you feel so strongly about it, I'd be happy to tell Mel, northridge and a few others that I changed my mind on my build plans next year because the moderators here told me to stop ordering their stuff cause I don't have time to use it to 100% of the rigs ability every other weekend.

You do know Adam is not from California and Mel doesn't give a fuck what the moderators opinions are right?

 

[2013CGJKU]

It was posted on the interwebz that I'm a liberal so I must be.

I like most of the shit you talk most of the time Overlander but dropping hints about how the guy spends the money he has EARNED on multiple occasions and pissing and moaning about the way he uses his rig makes you seem like one of those "occupy" dipshits that constantly posts on social media (from every one of their multiple Apple devices while wearing designer clothes that are made is sweatshops in India) about how evil people with money are and that opinions and thought processes are all welcome as long as they are yours... aka a young liberal idiot.

Whether that description is true or not, that IS how you are coming off.

P.S. a beard in California is more of a sign of a smelly hipster than anything else... haha!

 

[bo9roadking]

I think more power options for the JK is a good thing. I'm running the Magnuson SC that is using the same twin screw that Edelbrock is going to use in their SC. It isn't a V8, but for $6 grand, it is considerably cheaper than a V8 and provides power similar to a JK that I've driven with a 5.3 LS. When/if the 3.6 engine goes, I'll have a reason to replace it with a diesel or an LS and the engine swaps may be more refined and dialed in by then.

My JKU is a daily driver, but I rock crawl with it. I could rock crawl fine with the Rubi transfer case, but the added power has helped when I needed to bump it on a steeper ledge.

I feel power as soon as I start pressing the throttle. I'm putting my JKU on the dyno next week, so I'll have more than a seat of the pants test to see what the power is doing. My only complaint is that the forced induction market still hasn't nailed down the shifting on the 5 speed auto yet. Sometimes my tranny holds gears longer than I want, so I have to manually upshift or let off the throttle to shift. The other issue for me is that the tranny doesn't want to stay in overdrive doing 65-70 mph on the highway when driving up slight inclines. Minor throttle increases to maintain speed while going up the incline will cause the transmission to downshift. If I hold the throttle instead, it doesn't downshift, but I lose about 5 mph while going up the hill. Prior to the SC install, the tranny would downshift out of overdrive, but it does it more often after the SC install on the same stretches of road.

 

[piginajeep]

I think more power options for the JK is a good thing. I'm running the Magnuson SC that is using the same twin screw that Edelbrock is going to use in their SC. It isn't a V8, but for $6 grand, it is considerably cheaper than a V8 and provides power similar to a JK that I've driven with a 5.3 LS. When/if the 3.6 engine goes, I'll have a reason to replace it with a diesel or an LS and the engine swaps may be more refined and dialed in by then.

My JKU is a daily driver, but I rock crawl with it. I could rock crawl fine with the Rubi transfer case, but the added power has helped when I needed to bump it on a steeper ledge.

I feel power as soon as I start pressing the throttle. I'm putting my JKU on the dyno next week, so I'll have more than a seat of the pants test to see what the power is doing. My only complaint is that the forced induction market still hasn't nailed down the shifting on the 5 speed auto yet. Sometimes my tranny holds gears longer than I want, so I have to manually upshift or let off the throttle to shift. The other issue for me is that the tranny doesn't want to stay in overdrive doing 65-70 mph on the highway when driving up slight inclines. Minor throttle increases to maintain speed while going up the incline will cause the transmission to downshift. If I hold the throttle instead, it doesn't downshift, but I lose about 5 mph while going up the hill. Prior to the SC install, the tranny would downshift out of overdrive, but it does it more often after the SC install on the same stretches of road.

How is it wheeling? Every one I've seen on the trail struggles crawling. I'd love one just to have it on the highway. However I would not put one on after seeing how it performs on the trail. Not to mention I do not believe the motor can handle it.

 

[jfallon1]

Prior to the SC install, the tranny would downshift out of overdrive, but it does it more often after the SC install on the same stretches of road.

How is this so? wouldnt it shift out less with more power. Or is it because the super charger gives more lowers power?

 

[Irish JK]

It was posted on the interwebz that I'm a liberal so I must be.

I think you're a liberal.

 

[SmokinV10]

You do know Adam is not from California and Mel doesn't give a fuck what the moderators opinions are right?

No, I didn't even know his name was Adam. I see "Overlander JK" and I think "Yellow 2 Door JK, Moderator, Not a fan of mine". I also would never bring up the ultra-trivial interactions of a forum post to Mel. I was just using sarcasm to make a point.

So much butthurt! Couple facts,

I am no where close to left wing. That's a dumb accusation. Funny nonetheless
Not bitter about anything. In fact a couple of my good friends have rigs similar to yours and these dumb conversations never come up.

Only other thing I will say is that the forum did in fact build your rig for. The reason your rig is like it is is because of the forum. I won't clutter up this thread anymore but if you want the facts I can surely provide them in another thread. :thumb:

I actually don't really think many here have leftist tendencies. And for those that have spewed the drivel I am complaining about, I think they are more UAW, AFL/CIO, Teamster type guys with socialist leanings. Probably hunting, hard-working guys, who have a hard on for capitalism and latch onto "social equality" whether they know it or not. Not the skinny-jean-wearing, prius-driving, vegan-environmentalist, but still leftist and still liberal. Maybe thats not you, but I didn't know your name was Adam until 5 minutes ago and Im just judging you from your responses.

You're absolutely right on the Forum's contributions to my Jeeps build. I'll give credit where its due. I'll stop cluttering up this thread now too with this bullshit.

 

[David1tontj]

Edited for bad info.. My apologies

 

[SmokinV10]

I think more power options for the JK is a good thing. I'm running the Magnuson SC that is using the same twin screw that Edelbrock is going to use in their SC. It isn't a V8, but for $6 grand, it is considerably cheaper than a V8 and provides power similar to a JK that I've driven with a 5.3 LS. When/if the 3.6 engine goes, I'll have a reason to replace it with a diesel or an LS and the engine swaps may be more refined and dialed in by then.

My JKU is a daily driver, but I rock crawl with it. I could rock crawl fine with the Rubi transfer case, but the added power has helped when I needed to bump it on a steeper ledge.

I feel power as soon as I start pressing the throttle. I'm putting my JKU on the dyno next week, so I'll have more than a seat of the pants test to see what the power is doing. My only complaint is that the forced induction market still hasn't nailed down the shifting on the 5 speed auto yet. Sometimes my tranny holds gears longer than I want, so I have to manually upshift or let off the throttle to shift. The other issue for me is that the tranny doesn't want to stay in overdrive doing 65-70 mph on the highway when driving up slight inclines. Minor throttle increases to maintain speed while going up the incline will cause the transmission to downshift. If I hold the throttle instead, it doesn't downshift, but I lose about 5 mph while going up the hill. Prior to the SC install, the tranny would downshift out of overdrive, but it does it more often after the SC install on the same stretches of road.

Interested in your feedback as well. I have exactly the same thoughts about the engine swap. Ive called a couple of shops and they always tell me about the positives of their conversions vs others, but when you compare notes, it seems that all of them have problems. In my mind, the current downsides are that we are stuck to deal wit servicing/troubleshooting GM/delco electronics talking to Chrylser can-bus with the LS or dealing with overheating and sub-optimal transmission options with the Hemi.

So then I come back to the blower options. I am concerned about overheating on the road with the increased heat output of the blower. I also have talked to Magnuson and they admit that they don't have a solution for the transmission issues. Ive read that for some the shifting issues are rather severe. It seems that your are more of a nuisance. Im interested in how it performs off road and up long grades. Has the cooling system had trouble keeping up in the heat?

 

[bo9roadking]

How is it wheeling? Every one I've seen on the trail struggles crawling. I'd love one just to have it on the highway. However I would not put one on after seeing how it performs on the trail. Not to mention I do not believe the motor can handle it.

I have no issues with it wheeling because the power feels/acts linear. I feel the power almost right away unlike the centrifugal that doesn't kick in until almost 3K rpm.

How is this so? wouldnt it shift out less with more power. Or is it because the super charger gives more lowers power?

That is my thought too. Extra hp/tq should reduce the shifting and maintain/hold overdrive more than it did when it was stock, but that is not what I'm experiencing.

My guess is the SC is causing a little drag/power loss at normal highway cruising when there isn't much boost. If the bypass is working correctly, the SC isn't providing full boost when cruising to help with fuel economy. When I need to increase the throttle to maintain speed on inclines, I think more boost is created which produces more power and the transmission downshifts because it thinks I'm wanting to pass a car. It isn't a deal breaker, but it is annoying to run in 4th gear more than I need too on the highway.

 

[jfallon1]

I have no issues with it wheeling because the power feels/acts linear.


That is my thought too. Extra hp/tq should reduce the shifting and maintain/hold overdrive more than it did when it was stock, but that is not what I'm experiencing.

My guess is the SC is causing a little drag/power loss at normal highway cruising when there isn't much boost. If the bypass is working correctly, the SC isn't providing full boost when cruising to help with fuel economy. When I need to increase the throttle to maintain speed on inclines, I think more boost is created which produces more power and the transmission downshifts because it thinks I'm wanting to pass a car. It isn't a deal breaker, but it is annoying to run in 4th gear more than I need too on the highway.

Thanks for the info. I'm gonna have to look into this a little more.

 

[SmokinV10]

I'm sorry.... You said "earned" You must not have read the thread where smokinv10 writes off all of his jeep mods on his taxes...

That wasn't me buddy. I participated in that thread, but I wasn't the OP. If I recall correctly, he was some dude who talked leasing his jeep/mods and writing them off.

His name is Vettethret and here is the thread:

http://wayalife.com/showthread.php?20316-I-m-still-liquid-for-100k-smartass&highlight=lease

Thats not me and my rig isn't leased or on any year's tax filings. Get your facts straight :doh: